Which one of these have you tried? At what point should it just be a computer game?
Personally, most complex game I tried is Ark Nova which did not even make it on this list.
Even some simpler games can have a lot of dependencies that make playing tedious like Hogwarts Battle
I’ve played both. They’re extremely different beasts, but at least to me Dune was less ‘heavy’ and more ‘lengthy’ due to negotiations. Might just be that I need to get more plays in, but I don’t see the strategy complexity yet