Israel is the modern day Nazi regime and we need to stop mincing words about it.
The worst one, but not the only one
No doubt.
Thats why our nazi president is making sure it’s illegal to say bad things about the Israeli government, like knows like
Like a… Pogrom?
A big genocidal pogrom. The biggest pogrom.
Wow it really is easy to make it sound like something Trump would say isn’t it?
Well except he has the vocabulary of a 4th grader and pogrom isn’t likely in it.
Oh? Is Israel finally letting Palestinians have free travel so that they actually can leave or is “leave in great numbers” a euphemism for the ongoing genocide?
I would say genocide. It’s Israel. Come on now.
There is a word in ancient Greek which has the precise meaning “to entirely destroy” by fire. Maybe we need to start calling this what it is: a holocaust of Gaza.
They can leave in bodybags…
I hope I live to see Israel, in its current form, entirely destroyed. I want to believe that there are consequences to being this evil.
Its a noble dream. But for Israel to ever face justice their largest and fiercest backer - the nation that is often the only one that votes to protect them in UN votes, and the one that has almost singlehandedly turned them into a military superpower in the middle east - the USA - must get its house in order first.
There is zero chance of much changing on Israel while Republicans or the conservative wing of the Democrats are in power, and especially while Trump is president. That’s not to say it can’t change, but there are multiple hurdles: so, I hope you live a long time and see a lot of positive changes throughout your life.
The US doesn’t need to “get it’s house in order”.
It also needs to (and seems on the path to) be destroyed in its current form.
With global trade inevitably shifting away from the unstable US, Military embarrassments against small impoverished organizations like the houthis, and diplomacy entirely built around leveraging those 2 things…it seems much more likely the US turns into a nuclear armed former superpower than that it maintains it’s global status and changes to actually use said status for good.
The US doesn’t need to “get it’s house in order”.
It also needs to (and seems on the path to) be destroyed in its current form.
This is just semantics, those two statements essentially describe the same thing.
I was explaining why Israel is in the position its in now and what’s needed to change it at present - hard to see into the future.
The foundational legal and institutional structure of the USA is a good model for democracy. There is no perfect model. What needs to happen there is stuff that progressives have been asking for decades: expansion of the supreme court to proportionally match the size of the congress - which any democrat president could do if they weren’t cowards. Then repeal Citizen United to get the billion dollar political slush funds quashed, and a massive anti-corruption campaign to prosecute all those who have broken the law over the last few decades. The US is backsliding hard towards a Russian kleptocracy, controlled by billionaires and their useful idiots - but it can be mended if laws are enforced. A lot of work, but to wipe the slate clean and start again with a new model would be far far more work and no guarantee that it’s even an improvement at the end.
The US is witholding funds to the UN. Pretty soon, the world will just move on without them.
This makes me think about Handmade’s Tale. I’ve been watching it a lot recently and it makes you wonder what happened to Israel in this timeline. I’d guess Israel’s support from Gilead would have dropped to zero. They were likely fucked given that the Jewish people here were deported and put on boats that never actually made it to Israel. Just a random thought brought about by your comment.
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This is fucking evil manifest.
Yeah, it’s Israel.
He should have been more eloquent. I’m pretty sure there’s an ancient word that means “to entirely destroy by fire”… If he had used that instead, it would be more clear what he means.
It’s not even news anymore to see these shitty blood-glutted war criminals’ gloating, completely conveniently forgetting the hypocrisy. Perhaps we need to simply call this what it is, by this man’s very definition here: it is a holocaust of Gaza.
If Gaza will be entirely destroyed, there is a considerable risk that Israel will meet the same fate later.
If a country spans only 22 000 square kilometers and is inhabited by 10 million people, it’s not very smart to make enemies among every group who can relate to Palestinians - for example Muslims (about 1.9 billion people) or perhaps Arabs (around 400 million people).
Put simply - Israel has withstood various pressures because of US backing.
The US currently runs a high risk of getting somewhat indisposed due to a president they elected acting very foolishly. If the US should break down, Israel will find itself very isolated.
If Israel makes a record amount of determined enemies now, it may have a record amount of people seeking its downfall later. Even if the Israeli government doesn’t care the slightest amount about Palestinians, it should consider its own future before acting in the described way.
It’s been shown that alone they cannot keep up the current rate of genocide, there was a report that they’re already running out of munitions in couple of weeks.
Their economy is also in shambles and the zionist government will face a civil movement because they ran out of money.
The last part seems pretty unlikely. The population is entirely brainwashed they will not change course on their own
I saw a study of israeli children’s books and something like half of them contain racist and dehumanising depictions of Palestinians. They are brainwashed from birth to hate.
Ironic given that’s what they accuse the Palestinians of. Every accusation is a confession.
You know that Israel MAKES munitions right? They have a pretty sizable weapons industry. Not to mention with Trump in office, there is little slowing down how much they can purchase from the US.
I would take any report of Israel running out of arms with a massive, heaping spoonful of salt.
Good. Israel can get a new exodus.
I would not use to the word “good” in any sentence describing such events - nothing like that is good.
However, risk of their state not lasting because they alienated most allies and made countless enemies, should make people (even politicians) think twice.
Only one flaw with your logic… Most of the neighboring countries hate Palestine almost as much as the Israeli’s do. That’s why they haven’t been accepting any refugees and haven’t been putting a lot of pressure on Israel for their actions, Yemen being one of the few exceptions.
They don’t hate Palestinians.
Palestine is a unifying call amongst Arabs. The rulers of countries like Egypt and Jordan who have made peace with Israel are essentially Western backed puppets who receive money from the US to stay pliable. They don’t reflect the will of the “Street”. The only notable exception to this is the UAE.
Neighboring countries have also received huge numbers of refugees from Palestine. They don’t want to receive ethnically cleansed Palestinians for the same reason that European countries don’t want to either. It is immoral, not to mention hugely destabilising.
United States of Aipac will approve, does not matter reps or dems.
European sanctions also apparently never.
Watch as they spin this and sanction Jordan or Egypt.
Israel is an evil country. Israel is the country with the most war criminals per capita. If the Israeli people do not do something significant in the coming months, they will be complicit in the atrocities committed by the IDF.
Like blocking the vent on a pressure cooker, this is no doubt going to blow up in their face.
They’re perfectly fine with that; a permanent state of emergency and ever-looming existential enemy is what fascists need to justify their own police state and crackdowns on freedom.
They need to be taught the same hard lesson Germany, Italy, and Japan had to be taught 80 years ago. Genocidal fascism has no place on Earth.
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I was told many times that the extremists who hold this agenda in Israel are a small minority and do not represent Israel or have much power over its policy.
If they are the minority, why does Netanyahu keep getting reelected?
It’s what I’m asking myself.
Netanyahu isn’t seen as an extremist within Israeli politics. Zionism has always been fascist and always had the agenda of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
Probably the same kind of ignorance of other countries’ perspective that makes Americans think the political center is somewhere between the US Republicans and the US Democrats.
I know it’s framed that way deliberately to western audiences as a way to minimize Israels current actions as fringe instead of mainstream, but yeah, definitely taken that way from the audience. American exceptionalism still has a stronghold in the mentality of the people here unfortunately.
I couldn’t finish the article because of how horrific the descriptions of kids suffering were.
I’m not going to read the article because I’ve read enough already to be fucking sickened by it.
I hope one day the same will happen to Israel and Israelians and I hope no one will care anymore.
Or here’s a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and “I deserve this land because X” is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no ‘both sides’ when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights
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For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It’s been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
You’re getting down voted because you’ve missed the point. It doesn’t matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.
Kami is, which is why I downvoted them.
Palestinian resistance is not calling for genocide.
I’m not calling for anything, I’m just hoping they’ll get what they are giving. If you think it is genocide, then so be it.
I feel like I’m talking to a bot. All of your responses are at best tangentially related to what I say.
You blamed the current situation on the ‘cycle of revenge,’ which grossly misrepresents the reality of Zionism and the reaction of Palestinian resistance.
And you keep ignoring the point that it doesn’t fucking matter. You can’t solve genocide with more genocide.
No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It’s an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.
The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They’re not invaders. They’re indigenous to the land.
The truth is, you’ve completely ignored my point. Genocide as a response to genocide solves nothing.
Sure, Israel should be abolished peacefully.
I’m just saying, this isn’t how we got here.
What fantasy land do you live in where the involuntary dismantling of a country is ever a peaceful process?
Decolonization can be done peacefully.
I don’t think that will happen, but it could!
I also support Palestinian resistance, and that’s very different from Israeli violence inflicted onto Palestinians. Indigenous resistance to colonization is always justified.
Decolonization can be done peacefully.
50 years ago you might have had a chance to make it happen, since most Israeli people would have been born elsewhere. Now you have multiple generations of people born and raised in Israel. They have nowhere else to go.
And you’ll have to forgive me for being skeptical about a Muslim majority Palestine being tolerant of religious differences if they regained control of the whole area.
That’s what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it’s not different when we do it, for “reasons.” The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.
Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.
It’s a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians
Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of “once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we’ll give them a very stern telling off.”
This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won’t look any better than that.
That’s certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you’re talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.
Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.
