• @arrow74@lemm.ee
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        22 months ago

        True, but 1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more. Now we have some advantages. Even access to the internet is a good quality of life improvement compared to 1025 CE.

        So maybe instead 1,000 years the inequality still exists, but technology has made things a little nice for the working class. It’s all about perspective.

        Or the climate crisis and subsequent environmental collapse lead to a Mad Max hellscape

        • @LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe
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          1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more

          1000 years ago we didn’t have a surveillance state, climate collapse, tiktok, 4chan, drone strikes, school shootings, car accidents, car dependent infrastructure, pollution smog, microplastics, fox news, subscription services, hiring AI, police robots, the gig economy, leafblowers, overdraft fees, airbnb, overseas concentration camps, white phosphorous, fracking…

          • @Zetta@mander.xyz
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            Yeah, there’s a lot of bad, but he’s right. On average, the vast majority of humanity is significantly better off than we were a thousand years ago.

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              Africa is struggling to recover from colonisation. The middle east is a warzone. The Americas and Australia are being occupied by invaders. Europe is in financial crisis. I don’t really know about east Asia. Even Antarctica is melting. Capitalism is worse for the worker than feudalism.

              • Oh come on, only America and Australia are occupied? Where did your ancestors evolve? Who did your ancestors take their land from because they took it from someone

                Edit: for the record I’m indigenous but your argument is flawed and narrowsighted

              • @Zetta@mander.xyz
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                You don’t seem to understand the fact that the vast majority of humanity is still better off than we were a 1000 years ago even with the current bad.

                • @plyth@feddit.org
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                  China, India, The Americas, Australia, many parts of Africa? Life was good there.

                  Even Europe was not that bad. If you had many more free days, work that was meaningful and unprocessed food, how bad would it be to die earlier? In total, they still had more days of life for themselves.

    • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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      What if it’s full medieval and the king just ordered an expedition to the great library to bring back electricity?

      Good news is, you’ll have memes back if you skip some years.

    • LoudWaterHombre
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      Can you elaborate your win when humanity died out and you are the only one left?

      • @Korhaka@sopuli.xyz
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        Don’t have to get permission to live, fishing regulations no longer apply so it shouldn’t be too hard getting food. Also the sea and rivers won’t be polluted like they are now.

        • @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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          Or everything is polluted and that’s why humanity died

          Are the fish adapted to a mercury rich environment safe to eat?

    • @voracitude@lemmy.world
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      You really don’t see what’s happening around you?

      Let me just make sure we’re on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?

      • @aidan@lemmy.world
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        With what you said 1. Someone doesn’t have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn’t enabling them.

        • @AstralPath@lemmy.ca
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          It sure is enabling my right to think you’re enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you’re sitting with, I’m judging you. Hard.

            • @voracitude@lemmy.world
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              So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.

              That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.

      • @areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
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        Not everyone who believes in capitalism is a nazi. You aren’t helping your cause by acting like this. Nobody should have to tell you this.

        • @voracitude@lemmy.world
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          Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they’re a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they’re a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn’t immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil’d on TV TWICE, you’re a fuckin Nazi.

          Nobody should have to tell you this.

    • @Noodle07@lemmy.world
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      See you’re not supposed to wait for the chains to be around your ankles to start worrying about that. And the chains are currently around some people’s, it’s coming

  • @JulieLemming@lemm.ee
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    02 months ago

    You only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.

    • Michael
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      You enslave others by consuming most common products on the shelves. Modern slavery (and child slavery) is more expansive than most know and third-world exploitation is rampant - western supply chains are not immune.

      While you support the enslavement of others with your consumption, corporations continue to become more and more powerful.

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        You speak so right, that’s why I only buy Apple. I prefer to buy the slaves and free them with my money instead of cheaping on it and forcing the heavy hand of corporate whip.

        We have to be responsible.

        • Michael
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          Your trolling aside, we all share a personal responsibility to not buy from companies that e.g. utilize cobalt/lithium in their products - slavery/child labor is rampant in those supply chains and Apple et. al are responsible for supporting it.

          If there was no demand, these children wouldn’t be forced to work in mines - it’s that simple.

          • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            If there was no demand, these children wouldn’t be forced to work in mines - it’s that simple.

            setting aside the difficulty of quantifying demand, this is still an unprovable statement. you can’t prove a counterfactual.

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              If these countries were given the ingredients to be able to develop and there was no outside demand for mined materials, these children wouldn’t be in the mines.

              Big if, but less of an “if” if more people are made aware. It’s absolutely sickening how much we rely on lithium considering how it is sourced.

              We are collectively enabling modern slavery and child slavery. These corporations prefer to act innocent because they aren’t sending the children themselves into the mines, but they buy the materials they mine regardless (and there’s no way that they don’t know the reality). Many corporations profit off the back of these people and children and they should be required to pay significant reparations.

              What is in our power to stop this? We can spread the awareness of our exploitation of third-world countries - including their children, we can develop technologies that don’t rely on rare materials or difficult to mine materials, we can employ automation to mine what we do need in first-world countries, and we can hold the corporations that profit from these supply chains accountable.

              There are battery technologies (e.g. sodium-ion) that we could grasp and avoid mining altogether for energy storage. China is proving that sodium-ion batteries are a very promising technology, even in cars, and the sodium can be sourced from seawater or from the byproducts of desalination (the latter which likely needs to be very quickly scaled considering the fresh water crisis).

          • @JulieLemming@lemm.ee
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            Well if we don’t buy it they lose their jobs and means to sustain themselves in that deserted hellhole. These companies are sometimes providing the only work they can do and stay employed. Once they move out it’s over for them

            • Michael
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              If you’re worried about these children losing their wonderful life in the mines, feel free to support them through other means.

              Make it your life’s work to spread awareness, bring aid to the affected countries, and support their development - you only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.

              And getting companies that profit off of these children to support them would likely be fair. Apple, Google, and many others can handle the hit.