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Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility
The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.
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Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
I agree with you completely. He’s fascinated with nukes, and believes naked demonstrations of power show that he’s strong. If he does drop a nuke in Iran, you can guarantee that Russia will use them in Ukraine, and that quickly opens the door to a much wider war in Europe. Strategic thinking is not Trump’s strong suit, and he’s likely to bumble us into a nuclear WWIII.
I fully expect him to nuke a blue state in a false flag attack. I can’t prove it, but I won’t be surprised if he does
You might enjoy the short run of the TV show Jericho.
There’s also comics that continue the story a bit more.
If you can’t prove it, then they are doing the false flag operation right. Well; correctly, anyway.
WHO GETS THE NUKE FIRST? IRAN, GAZA OR THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE SEASON! sadtimes.
What’s the us city that matches the following:
- democratic
- least amount of white people
- more than 100k inhabitants
- doesn’t have critical military infrastructure
- Trump doesn’t go golfing there or at least doesn’t like to
London? Bonus: has a Muslim Mayor
NYC
Nah he’s too connected to NYC.
California?
Probably still owes payment on construction in NYC
Wouldn’t that give him extra incentive to blow it up?
My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
Wouldn’t be the first time, but those were on accident and thankfully didn’t detonate.
Edit to add reference: 1961 Goldsboro B-52 Crash
I mean we also blew up a lot of nukes on American soil on purpose too!
New Mexico had it coming tho.
Mostly Nevada
Nevada doesn’t even own most of Nevada.
For science!…or something
The Science of War
I would be scared if I lived in New Mexico …
Don’t worry, Los Angeles isn’t a state :p
That phrasing is kinda racist, yo
Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for “instigating” nuclear war
Something tells me he has already given the order multiple times but the people around him have to carefully explain to him why that’s a very bad idea until he backs down.
Or they’re just running clips of Oppenheimer for him
Then I hope the rest of the world does something about it.
If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.
Let’s hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.
Congress isn’t stopping him doing anything. I don’t see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.
Congress’ billionaire handlers all have their doomsday prepping done, so they won’t interfere.
I thought I could write solid, dark comments but your comment about having our only hopes based solely on congress wins all the awards for darkest comment ever written.
excluding few hard left or right leaders, our entire congress works for aipac so fat chance of that. they will approve nuking LA and SF if israel told them to.
“We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war.” - these fucking geniuses, apparently
What is a country? A miserable pile of war crimes.
Turning a habitable area full of innocent people into a pile of radioactive rubble and dying people why? Because fucking the Israeli government wants to genocide palestinians without resistance? Damn we fucking suck as a country
What a great precedent that would set. Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.
Not to say that nuclear war isn’t bad, but we literally don’t have enough bombs available to do that.
I just very much believe that a chain reaction after a nuclear war will kill everything alive on it. Almost certainly all humans would be gone pretty soon.
You can believe it all you want, the numbers just aren’t there. There are only ~3800 nuclear warheads that are ready for launch, across all countries that possess them. That’s not enough to put a permanent dent in the human population even if you launched all of them targeted to inflict maximum casualties. Which isn’t how they’d be launched, of course - most of them would be aimed at military targets, such as ICBM silos and airstrips that are out in the middle of nowhere.
I expect you’ll propose nuclear winter as the actual killing effect. Nuclear winter has been drastically overblown, often for this very reason - to scare people into an anti-proliferation stance. We know a lot more now than we did when the first wild predictions were made.
Again, not to say that nuclear war isn’t bad. But if one is to make good decisions one should strive for realistic understanding of the world. It wouldn’t literally cause human extinction.
offf. Ok. Thanks for all the perfectly factual and proven references, or ahhh…on-going debates, you gave.
Does any of it consider the wars that will be triggered? How the water supply will be affected? How the weather is going to be affected after an already fucked up atmosphere absorbs this damage? I could go on but this is pointless with a person like you.Does any of it consider the wars that will be triggered? How the water supply will be affected? How the weather is going to be affected after an already fucked up atmosphere absorbs this damage?
Did you consider any of it? In an actually analytical way, that is, instead of just imagining the outcome you wanted?
I provided links, you provided nothing but belief and fearmongering. And downvotes, of course, which also prove nothing.
Nukes get dropped, war will break out. This will result in large chunks of the world being killed.
Humanity will not be the same after.
It wasn’t the last two fucking times we did it, and there’s only more people now to get even more fucked up and have an even more extreme reaction to such instability.
None of which comes close to rendering humanity extinct. That’s been my point all along. Nuclear war would suck, but it would not render humanity extinct.
What’s your point and why do you think it matters in this context?
I’m responding to someone who said:
Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.
That’s the context.
My point is that this is not true, and I’m explaining why it’s not true.
I’m sure Jesus Christ would definitely 100% want this.
Jesus was a Palestinian Jew, if Trump met Him today he would send Him to CECOT.
Talked about sharing and didn’t like rich folks. This admin ordnance a huge fan of brown socialists.
Nah, would be massively out of character for JC… his old man on the other side… well, HE got a nasty temper from time to time
So we’ll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don’t like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt’s citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are “allies”.
If any other country did the things Israel has done, we’d be sanctioning them at a minimum. We invaded Iraq both times for less.
Hell we made up lies about Iraq
This time we are past the need for that. It will all be everchanging bullshit from here on out with the us.
Maybe they’ve got Saddam’s missing WMDs. . .
All that freshly baked yellow cake
Yeah but israel is our colonial outpost in the middle east, they can do whatever they want
9/11 killed a lot of Americans, ice kills Americans, do you see the pattern here, Jimmy?
Just please wait until after I’ve seen Dune Messiah a couple dozen times in theaters. Please. That’s all I’m asking. I don’t even need to get laid again, that ship isnt even that important and it happens to a lot of people every day. I just want to see Dune Messiah before we all die.
OK, who had “The opening from Threads but in 4K” on their bingo card?
“Considers”. Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.
Ya know, I can’t hate this take.
Gleefully sounding the trumpet for the end of the world
Can somebody please please stop him before he kills us all?
He will commit whatever horrible atrocity he’s going to commit, and then the world will say he went too far, and only then will the world put an end to it. But unfortunately, the atrocity will come first.
Ah yes, very smart, let’s use a nuke to blow up a nuclear facility. There couldn’t possibly be a much larger explosion and spread of radiation because of that.
Well, there actually wouldn’t be a much larger explosion, that’s just not how nukes work.
A nuclear explosion is an incredibly delicate process, and the material just won’t go critical because there’s another detonation nearby. It’s not like dropping a bomb on a dynamite warehouse. There’s not a great analogy for what it is like though. Expecting a satellite launch to happen because you blew up a tank of rocket fuel next to it? Not quite there.Additional contamination from onsite material is a different matter. Most nukes detonate above their target since that maximizes damage, but it also reduces fallout. There would, however, be vaporized material that would be sucked into the air by the vacuum created by the detonation. It’s not clear if the presence of radioactive material would make it significantly worse than the general “radioactive dust and molten sand” that would normally be sent into the air.
In general, if you nuke something there’s going to be radioactive issues afterwards, and you shouldn’t do it. Adding a nuclear facility to the mix is kinda just throwing rocks at the windows on 9/11.
tons of enriched uranium becoming part of the fallout plume and spreading across middle east and possibly some parts of europe and asia is a very likely outcome.
netayanahu is scum enough to not care and trump is too stupid to care. then there is possibilities of pakistan launching nuke in return on israel and then idf activating samson.
Explosion no. Extra fallout, maybe. But the facility we’re talking about is deep underground, so even if it happens, hopefully that contains some of the fallout.
Unfortunately, ground burst or partial underground bursts are significantly dirtier than air bursts. You only get partial completion of the reaction on the parts closer to the ground or underground which further irradiates the debris that is kicked up. Its all kinds of bad news.
Sounds like science stuff and facts. MAGA doesn’t have any time for those.
Just think of the moths it would attract though
This is how you get Mothra.
I mean, do you promise?
