cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31683994

Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility

The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.

  • @Fredselfish@lemmy.world
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    Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.

  • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    3019 days ago

    Something tells me he has already given the order multiple times but the people around him have to carefully explain to him why that’s a very bad idea until he backs down.

  • @Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
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    If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.

    Let’s hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.

    • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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      1219 days ago

      Congress isn’t stopping him doing anything. I don’t see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.

      • Oxysis/Oxy
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        619 days ago

        Congress’ billionaire handlers all have their doomsday prepping done, so they won’t interfere.

    • @charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
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      I thought I could write solid, dark comments but your comment about having our only hopes based solely on congress wins all the awards for darkest comment ever written.

    • @opavader@lemmy.world
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      excluding few hard left or right leaders, our entire congress works for aipac so fat chance of that. they will approve nuking LA and SF if israel told them to.

  • @bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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    1318 days ago

    “We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war.” - these fucking geniuses, apparently

  • @Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    What is a country? A miserable pile of war crimes.

    Turning a habitable area full of innocent people into a pile of radioactive rubble and dying people why? Because fucking the Israeli government wants to genocide palestinians without resistance? Damn we fucking suck as a country

  • @charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
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    919 days ago

    What a great precedent that would set. Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.

    • FaceDeer
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      -319 days ago

      Not to say that nuclear war isn’t bad, but we literally don’t have enough bombs available to do that.

      • @charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
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        I just very much believe that a chain reaction after a nuclear war will kill everything alive on it. Almost certainly all humans would be gone pretty soon.

        • FaceDeer
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          You can believe it all you want, the numbers just aren’t there. There are only ~3800 nuclear warheads that are ready for launch, across all countries that possess them. That’s not enough to put a permanent dent in the human population even if you launched all of them targeted to inflict maximum casualties. Which isn’t how they’d be launched, of course - most of them would be aimed at military targets, such as ICBM silos and airstrips that are out in the middle of nowhere.

          I expect you’ll propose nuclear winter as the actual killing effect. Nuclear winter has been drastically overblown, often for this very reason - to scare people into an anti-proliferation stance. We know a lot more now than we did when the first wild predictions were made.

          Again, not to say that nuclear war isn’t bad. But if one is to make good decisions one should strive for realistic understanding of the world. It wouldn’t literally cause human extinction.

          • @charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
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            019 days ago

            offf. Ok. Thanks for all the perfectly factual and proven references, or ahhh…on-going debates, you gave.
            Does any of it consider the wars that will be triggered? How the water supply will be affected? How the weather is going to be affected after an already fucked up atmosphere absorbs this damage? I could go on but this is pointless with a person like you.

            • FaceDeer
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              Does any of it consider the wars that will be triggered? How the water supply will be affected? How the weather is going to be affected after an already fucked up atmosphere absorbs this damage?

              Did you consider any of it? In an actually analytical way, that is, instead of just imagining the outcome you wanted?

              I provided links, you provided nothing but belief and fearmongering. And downvotes, of course, which also prove nothing.

              • @seralth@lemmy.world
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                019 days ago

                Nukes get dropped, war will break out. This will result in large chunks of the world being killed.

                Humanity will not be the same after.

                It wasn’t the last two fucking times we did it, and there’s only more people now to get even more fucked up and have an even more extreme reaction to such instability.

                • FaceDeer
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                  None of which comes close to rendering humanity extinct. That’s been my point all along. Nuclear war would suck, but it would not render humanity extinct.

            • FaceDeer
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              119 days ago

              I’m responding to someone who said:

              Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.

              That’s the context.

              My point is that this is not true, and I’m explaining why it’s not true.

      • @Tujio@lemmy.world
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        219 days ago

        Talked about sharing and didn’t like rich folks. This admin ordnance a huge fan of brown socialists.

    • @the_wiz@feddit.org
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      118 days ago

      Nah, would be massively out of character for JC… his old man on the other side… well, HE got a nasty temper from time to time

  • So we’ll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don’t like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt’s citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are “allies”.

  • @peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
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    719 days ago

    Just please wait until after I’ve seen Dune Messiah a couple dozen times in theaters. Please. That’s all I’m asking. I don’t even need to get laid again, that ship isnt even that important and it happens to a lot of people every day. I just want to see Dune Messiah before we all die.

  • @catty@lemmy.world
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    “Considers”. Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.

  • Phoenixz
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    619 days ago

    Gleefully sounding the trumpet for the end of the world

    Can somebody please please stop him before he kills us all?

    • @obvs@lemmy.world
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      419 days ago

      He will commit whatever horrible atrocity he’s going to commit, and then the world will say he went too far, and only then will the world put an end to it. But unfortunately, the atrocity will come first.

  • @LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
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    619 days ago

    Ah yes, very smart, let’s use a nuke to blow up a nuclear facility. There couldn’t possibly be a much larger explosion and spread of radiation because of that.

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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      Well, there actually wouldn’t be a much larger explosion, that’s just not how nukes work.
      A nuclear explosion is an incredibly delicate process, and the material just won’t go critical because there’s another detonation nearby. It’s not like dropping a bomb on a dynamite warehouse. There’s not a great analogy for what it is like though. Expecting a satellite launch to happen because you blew up a tank of rocket fuel next to it? Not quite there.

      Additional contamination from onsite material is a different matter. Most nukes detonate above their target since that maximizes damage, but it also reduces fallout. There would, however, be vaporized material that would be sucked into the air by the vacuum created by the detonation. It’s not clear if the presence of radioactive material would make it significantly worse than the general “radioactive dust and molten sand” that would normally be sent into the air.

      In general, if you nuke something there’s going to be radioactive issues afterwards, and you shouldn’t do it. Adding a nuclear facility to the mix is kinda just throwing rocks at the windows on 9/11.

      • @opavader@lemmy.world
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        tons of enriched uranium becoming part of the fallout plume and spreading across middle east and possibly some parts of europe and asia is a very likely outcome.

        netayanahu is scum enough to not care and trump is too stupid to care. then there is possibilities of pakistan launching nuke in return on israel and then idf activating samson.

    • @catloaf@lemm.ee
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      619 days ago

      Explosion no. Extra fallout, maybe. But the facility we’re talking about is deep underground, so even if it happens, hopefully that contains some of the fallout.

      • Unfortunately, ground burst or partial underground bursts are significantly dirtier than air bursts. You only get partial completion of the reaction on the parts closer to the ground or underground which further irradiates the debris that is kicked up. Its all kinds of bad news.