Im tired of the purely performative nonsense in modern democratic party as well. For the resources and votes that go their way they always find a way to deliver nothing, or actively betray us all. Supporting far rightwing genocide, pissing on progressives and progressive causes, and utterly ignoring the working class in the last ~10 elections (since Carter) are prime examples of this.
Time to toss the traitors out the door and clean this party out.
I’m tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We’re better than this.
Left or right we’re getting fucked one way or the other. The whole foundation’s been corrupted to the core.
It’s like every debate, any talk of politics is pointless and anything truly reasonable is quickly surpassed overpassed by political “sports team” entertainment while people with real [heartless] willpower continue to do what they do. And I mean that from the streets to the president. The corruption is the same essence and the same evil at any wealth status, education, or social position and all of it is the rotted part of the foundation the country is built upon.
When your “left” is just Diet-Republicans that are less hateful on social issues? Your perspective makes total sense.
And to be fair? That is what the Democrats have served you. And I hate them harder then Republicans hate them. For this reason.
I would like to invite you to a Solution-Oriented American Left in Zohran Memdani, Eugene Debbs, or Bernie Sanders.
This is not the End of what the Left is. This is only where it Starts. we have entire books about the rich American history the Democrats-since-Clinton have entirely abandoned.
Truth mate. This country and the entirety of its government is structurally designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the owning class. It has been such for so long it is baked into our very culture of American society.
We need revolt and a new system of not only economics but of government that horizontally distributes authority throughout the community instead of concentrating it into a hierarchical structure that can be turned against us if the wrong person lands a seat of power.
Exactly. I worked in marketing… They can use everything. You hate America? They can profit off that. You love America? …they can profit of that. All the while partially guiding you to a preset life-path that they manipulate to profit off you even more. I honestly think genuine honest humanity is extinct. We are a culturally mutilated species at this point even physically in some cases. This isn’t living, they created a culture that is proud to be products, basically bought, sold, or traded for profit.
You don’t really have a left, not at the moment. It’s getting better but oh my god the disasters it took for your shithole country to start to rally…
It is wierd isn’t it. Like having grown up in the middle class I can see why so many ran to the Republicans. It’s a short sighted nostalgia party that preys on people who don’t pay attention or whov been indoctrinated to only watch right wing media.
But the hubris of the Democrats and even just some left leaning voters is kinda wild.
But the real problem is the lack of attention local elections get from average folks. Iv been guilty of this as well, and it buggers me good that I never really learned of their importance till I was already like 34
That seems like a completely nihilistic and empty view of politics. What do you even actually think a society that isn’t “corrupt” (or at least is less corrupt) could look like? How can you blame the people with no power at all just as much as the president?
Blaming everyone for everything is basically the same as blaming nobody for anything.
It’s fine to think that the vast majority of people believe in propaganda or are worried about things that don’t matter.
My main problem really is with you saying “any talk of politics is pointless”. It’s just complete doomerism.
We used to be. Currently we are not better than this.
No, we really weren’t. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn’t owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country’s existence was in spite of it not because of it.
There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.
FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by billionaires.
Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.
You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.
To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.
Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.
Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!
Yes exactly!!
I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.
It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.
The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.
Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about
Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.
I quite enjoy that analogy, thank you.
You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn’t solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS
Yes they both suck, yes Republicans suck worse, but I think you’re missing some important nuance of exactly how the Democrats suck. Let’s game this out:
If 77 million of the dumbest shitheads ever to walk the Earth were to simultaneously, spontaneously implode tomorrow, everything would change. But especially the Democratic Party. The party leadership would not be able to keep doing what it had been doing. Their whole game requires the Republicans to exist as a credible threat for what’s going to happen if you don’t keep giving them money and settling for whoever they foist on you. They always try to run the furthest-right soulless hack they possibly can, so they calculate what the threshold is that would make enough people say “fuck this, I’m sitting this one out” to throw the race to the Republican, and aim just to the left of that. So, with every single Trump fan or likely R voter gone ( and nothing of value lost ) the entire electorate is now split- pretty evenly on age lines- between the proudly centrist, CNN-watching Biden 2020 primary voters, and the angry progressive left who’s been holding their nose and voting for the lesser of two evils their whole life.
The Democratic party can only pick up the first group. Democratic Socialists take the other group. Nonvoters become a much smaller group, and third parties remain negligible. Now the only way for the Democratic party to survive (Especially since the c-suite and board of directors of most of their corporate donors just went poof, so those companies restructured as co-ops…) is to keep running the only play they know- unilaterally compromise and triangulate with the other party. So what they do now is move as far left as they can get away with without losing their base, who they’re already losing to old age.
While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.
I do agree there are some issues that would not be there without the Republicans, that’s not what I’m saying but rather saying only blaming the Republicans doesn’t solve the real issues we have
I think you both agree that it’s more complicated than that and it’s a systemic thing effecting both parties. I think he just wrote it differently than you read it
Republicans blinking out of existence doesn’t solve the fundamental issues of capitalism that inevitably lead people to those ideologies.
Those systemic forces still exist, a new version of them would simply take their place when people tie their personal interests to the interests of capital.
Apparently a lot of people don’t mind being oppressed as long as the oppressors have decorum
Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue
Democrats: Not that
Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue
Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.
Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.
Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.
Extreme leftist don’t vote then wonder why a candidate doesn’t try to earn their vote.
Thanks for sharing your feelings with us
It’s not about opinion, there is scientific studies that give you evidence how the democratic interest of the vast majority is not represented, but the rich.
There are also historical theories that explain why this neo-fascism was the inevitable outcome of neoliberal policies, because material conditions degraded. That’s why it’s happening everywhere, not just the US.
The democrats shifted to the right, or away from social democratic policies since Trump not because they are winning strategies - but because they know the alternative for the voter is even worse. So policy not according to being able to win, but being able to gain and maintain power (donors, influence) and wealth.
Policy currently has absolutely nothing to do with ideals, ethics or ideology. Those are just pretty words sold to the masses.
You’ll need drastic changes, a purge and redistribution of wealth and power and the news and social media.
I would change Republicans to ‘selfish and narrow-minded individuals’
So … billionaires.
Owning class.
How much in your bank account isn’t the point — it is how that money got there. It just so happens that practically nobody ever became a billionaire without the use of exploitation.
Yet, it is not just billionaires but any who make their income through exploiting their private ownership over the tools, land, and resources which make production possible that, under the capitalist system, entitles those “owners” to the excess value of labor, in the form of profits, that are generated by the working class – individuals who must sell their labor to these owners for a wage – under their employment.
Plenty of people who voted for the republicans are poor as shit. Selfishness doesn’t stop downwards at being rich.
Voting for a party just because you want others to suffer more than you do is pure selfishness too.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
I’m tired of this country sucking all the fucking life out of me.
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists/christian nationalists. That’s been happening for hundreds and thousands of years, every time they gain power, no matter where or when. Republicans are relatively new to this game.
I’m also tired of society having to relearn this lesson at great loss of life and suffering, over and over.
We’re smarter than this, and we far outnumber them.
I would raise both hands, so we can include the Democrats as well.
Both are part of the problem. Along with their owners.
One of them is certainly a much larger problem.
My list of “ways conservatives have fucked or tried to fuck me or people I care about” goes all the way back to age 13.
I’m not a cheerleader for democrats, but I think we can make our own thread to bitch about them. Only one party is speedwalking us to the 4th Reich right now.
I don’t disagree. Republicans are overtly evil.
But many people ignore that both have been facilitating the concentration of wealth and power that is at the core of all the systemic problems affecting almost everyone.
It started around the Reagan era and was reinforced by die bushes and Clinton.
Obama was the big “Change” candidate that was supposed to reverse the trend, but he betrayed people by entrenching it instead. They distracted people though the token measure of “wokeness” and obamacare, which did nothing to address the causes of those problems.
People are right to say Dems are different when it comes to domestic policy, but they agree with Republicans on almost all foreign policy decisions. A significant portion of the criticisms Democrat representatives made of the recent Iran bombings amounted to, “Hey, you didn’t give us a chance to agree wholeheartedly!”
And most of this “slide into fascism” is just taking foreign policies and applying them domestically. In that sense, Democrats hold a lot of the blame as well.
Both parties are all in on Empire, but differ slightly on how to divvy up the spoils of war.
No argument from me. What Constantinople was to Rome, the US is to the British.
When you say this, it leads the uneducated to conclude that the parties are remotely similar in terms of being problematic. Is this a lie you intend to propagate?
Hmmmm, both supported genocide for one. Both take large sums from oligarchs and PACs to do their bidding. You can perhaps argue on some of the social issues but beyond that I don’t see how you make a large difference in their corruption
Yes but the Democrats support LGBT rights
that costs their masters (superpacs and oligarchs) nothing. same as anti-lgbt pro-buble rhetoric of gop cost them nothing. those parasites divert us with worthless marketing while leeching away all the resources.
On the matters most important, they are the same. Both are hell bent on the concentration of wealth and power with the elite.
Republicans just add the flavour of being overtly evil, where Democrats pretend they are good.
The political system is the problem, what we have today, is what it has been designed to do.
It’s not a lie though. If the Democrats don’t want to appear to be “remotely similar”, maybe they could try distancing themselves from the Republicans, instead of adopting the Republican policies.
I’m not even American and… Yes
How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.
Right on, no argument here.
My grandpa killed Nazis so his son could become a Nazi
Title to a future song of a generation, right here.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.
Unbelievable that the rest of the Americans would rather just sit there and take it than risk literally anything.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else’s neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.
Ftfy
Yes, thank you! You got it.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told ‘you owned a lib’ that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.
You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.
And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.
Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.
A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.
My optimism for the future is dead at this point. Even if we miraculously have a collective pivot into sustainable practices tomorrow, this train ain’t stopping in my lifetime. Maybe it’ll be better for future generations, I sincerely hope it is and I’ll keep doing what I can to ensure that. But my future is doomed to dealing with the mess that unchecked greed and exploitation has wreaked upon our world.
Spoiler: It won’t. The wealth gap inequality will continue to grow. Most of the world will essentially become slaves to the corporations and wealthy elites.
Yeah, this is kind of my attitude as well, sadly. I’m a younger millennial, but I feel I’ve been around long enough to determine we’re truly just a pot of boiling crabs dragging everyone else down to try to save ourselves.
I think one of the hardest parts of getting older, at least for me, is watching the childlike wonder and hope for the world within yourself slowly vanish. I’ll never stop fighting the good fight, but the light has definitely died in my heart. Honestly, sad as fuck.
Hope is a toxic ideaology. It does nothing but destroy us, like a cheap steak in hydrofluoric acid.
It stays our hand, and slows our response.
Hope needs to die.
and be replaced by an unbridled, mindless, blackout rage.
Let me introduce sociopath theory.
Their lack of morals allows them to rapidly accumulate money and power. Once entrenched, they continue amass wealth and power far beyond what is healthy for functioning societies. People don’t check this accumulation because individually they are moral humans who it pains in the extreme to seriously injure another human on their own (Luigi is an extreme exception driven by unbearable pain). But, when it gets bad enough, the poor, the losers in the sociopath race, normally isolated, begin to bond together to protect themselves from predation. This bonding together decreases the individual emotional burden of doing violence. People mob up … emboldened by those around them. At a certain point, it goes critical and elite heads roll far and wide.
At that point, the sociopaths are purged and the moral can go back to some form of just governance for a decade or two until the sociopaths begin to claw it all back.
Que the “ableist” hate mail.
I wish america was more like the french, when it came to actually rioting in the streets and burning the bitch down when shit goes against what the people want.
Together with 24/7/365 capitalist propaganda fire hosed into our faces from the time we’re born.
Blame the 30 yr mortgage.
Progressives who refused to vote for any genocider of either party are those french.
Crabs don’t need to boil to hold each other down, they’re just assholes.
Like humans.
True! I was conflating a bucket of crabs and boiling frogs. I guess we’re both though, so it’s pretty fitting.
The frog thing is less fun to me when I learned it’s less accurate, apparently they can sense it warming and just hop tf out of dodge when it gets warm
We have much to learn from the frog sensei…
