• @stoy@lemmy.zip
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    7311 days ago

    If it is antisemitic to simply describe what the soldiers are doing, then the actions themselves are antisemitic.

    • Possibly linux
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      10 days ago

      I wouldn’t call it antisemitic

      However, it is deeply disturbing and unethical and Israel is desperately covering up by any means necessary

      • Cethin
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        010 days ago

        Well, maybe in the original meaning of the word. Most Palestinians do speak a Semitic language. The word usually now mean anti-jewish though.

  • @MTK@lemmy.world
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    4211 days ago

    “I am jewish and did terrible things”

    “Fuckin jew hater! He wants to kill all jews!”

    That makes sense right?

          • @BertramDitore@lemmy.zip
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            510 days ago

            I, as a random Jew, am not responsible for the actions of the Jewish terrorists in Israel, or any other Jew for that matter. Just like a random Muslim isn’t responsible for the actions of Hamas. It’s pretty insulting to suggest otherwise.

            • @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              The greatest antisemitism there is, is trying to link the most depraved nation state of the XXI century (so far) and its actions, to all Jewish People, both by its implying that any actions commited by that nation state no matter how depraved and violent are How Jews Behave, and because such “representation by a nation state” would only be possible if “all Jews are the same”, both things which are extreme racist takes.

          • @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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            411 days ago

            Nothing they are doing has any connection to Judaism. Other than bullshit lines Israeli officials say, that also align more with particular kind of Christianity, utilizing kinda augmented Jews’ role in it.

    • @Etterra@discuss.online
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      1010 days ago

      They’ve been riding that “if you __________ you’re antisemitic” horse really hard lately. If they keep over using it they’re gonna eventually run out of sympathy and ruin it for the people are rather more in need of it to fight actual antisemitic bullshit, including themselves.

        • That Weird Vegan
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          210 days ago

          I’m just going to lay on the ground now. pleaae don’t let me swallow my tongue

          - Bart

      • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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        210 days ago

        They’ve got to remember there’s been a lot of 1488 types about who have just been waiting decades for their views to go mainstream again.

        And this dipshit is going to make it happen.

        • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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          110 days ago

          The extreme-right population is divided on this.
          A lot of oldschool fascists still hate ‘the jews’.
          However plenty of them support them (the zionists), and all of their leadership organisations and parties do.
          Now it’s ‘the muslims’ who are the new scapegoat.
          And after all zionism and fascism were always good friends.

          English Defence Leage thug Tommy Robinson:
          https://s2jnews.com/10188-2/

  • @iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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    2811 days ago

    Well I would argue Netanyahu is the head anti-semitist since by over using this word he has destroyed any weight that it carries. It now has effectively become a joke.

    • @urandom@lemmy.world
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      111 days ago

      I think he’s antisemitic because he’s carrying atrocities against Semitic people. Arabs are Semitic people.

      • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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        110 days ago

        The real irony of all this is that the people being genocides right now in Gaza have a much closer genetic relationship to the actual human beings who wrote the Torah than those who are genociding them. We’re watching the actual descendents of the ancient Israelites being exterminated right now.

  • @EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
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    2410 days ago

    Netanyahu says it’s antisemitic

    Learn a new trick, fuckface. This one doesn’t work anymore. People are going to start responding to accusations like this with “so what?” because the word has been watered down to such a ridiculous degree that it is no longer meaningful.

    And that’s really dangerous because it provides cover for actual antisemitism against Jewish people.

  • Cosmoooooooo
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    2111 days ago

    It’s just a common religious tactic. When they do bad things, they get angry at anyone who tried to call them out on it. Even if it’s their own people, and they aren’t doing it on purpose. Is the hate being supported by their religion? Yes? Then it’s religious hate, and needs to be stopped.

    Does it matter if it’s one religion? Nope, they all do this shit. Radical christians, radical hindu, radical buddhists, etc… Call them out on their bullshit and hate, and you’re the bigot. Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.

    • @huppakee@feddit.nl
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      210 days ago

      Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.

      It’s not really the religion though, basically all religions come with a set of believes in what is wrong and right and the hate-spewing war criminals will say it has to do with their religion, but they do not follow the believes set out by their religion. They are only using religion as a tool to gain power over the people that do follow the believes of that religion.

      • @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        110 days ago

        You’re right, of course. The real problem, as you pointed out, is religious states.

        See also: the way the US has become increasingly brazen about its atrocities as the Evangelicals have sunk their tentacles deeper and deeper into our political system.

      • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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        110 days ago

        On the other hand, there have been Jewish states before modern Israel, and it always ended in tears. Maybe believing that you’re God’s chosen people inevitably causes you to act with an arrogance and belief in your own invincibilty that eventually causes your country to be destroyed. If you believe God literally wants you to have a piece of dirt, why practice good diplomacy and have good relations with your neighbors? Your only concern is keeping God happy. In the Old Testament, the Israelites suffered invasion only when they somehow let God down. With that as your cultural foundation, what does that do to your nation’s foreign policy?

        Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think they’re God’s special chosen people was a terrible mistake.

        • layzerjeyt
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          110 days ago

          what theocracies of any religion haven’t “ended in tears”?

          Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think they’re God’s special chosen people was a terrible mistake.

          I think you missed a word or two there.

          I’d suggest the mistake was giving people a country which was already occupied by other people. Whatever myth gets used to justify it, be it god’s chosen people or manifest destiny.

    • @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      This kind of shit is a carbon copy of how the Nazis used claims of people being “against the Aryan race” to deflect criticism of the actions of the Nazis.

      I think this is religion being weaponized to support the extreme depravity of an ethno-Fascist ideology, rather than an inherent drive in that religion.

      In other words, the problem with Religions is not them having an inherent tendency for this kind of thing, is that they are extremely easy to capture and use to support even the most depraved behaviours, being capable of excusing actions well beyond what most other prepackaged belief systems are able to successfully excuse.

      In summary, I don’t think Religion is a driver of this kind of shit, I think it’s an enabler.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮
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      Radical Buddhists

      Now, I am not going to disagree here because I don’t know a lot about it, but the only radical Buddhist I ever heard about was a dude who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese government oppressing Buddhists in the 60s and monks in China fighting against tyranical rulers that would have exterminated them. Have any radical Buddhists ever hurt others for not believing in their system of faith?

    • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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      010 days ago

      I’m not an expert in their religion but I doubt their religion says that committing genocide and all kinds of war crime atrocities is a good thing.

      • @NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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        110 days ago

        They’re Zionists, this is actually a core part of the end goals outlined in every Abrahamic religion, they are literally hoping to destroy all the non children of god and take over the world. We’re all just Canaanites to them if we’re not on their team.

      • layzerjeyt
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        110 days ago

        I believe that in Judaism there is some traditions of interpretation which can justify the current situation. But it isn’t a religion based on obedience as much as discussion so it isn’t a matter of what is “said” as much as what is understood.

        However much more relevant is the powerful and mainstream protestant Christian prophesies where the Rapture can be hastened by people taking certain steps, including having a jewish state in israel. (The jews, like most other people, will ultimately get horrifically exterminated during the Rapture, which is considered desirable to adherents.) Impatience for this Rapture is one of the reasons people and governments support Israel. American Christian groups provide way more funding and material support for Israel than jewish groups do.

  • @scott@lemmy.org
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    1711 days ago

    It’s so sinister. Latching on to the real history of blood libel to not only reinforce the idea that liberal media lies as a matter of routine, but to simultaneously use that reinforcement to build up the idea that liberals are either secretly antisemetic or too led around by the nose by propaganda to realize their antisemitism.

    Of course it’s deeply antisemitic for netanyahu to do this. It’s also going to be extremely effective.

    • Cosmoooooooo
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      311 days ago

      The religions throw around antisemitism like it’s a catch phrase. Don’t forget ‘islamophobia’.

      It’s all just stealth blasphemy laws. “Don’t talk bad about our hate religion, or you’re a bad person”. That’s what blasphemy laws are, and they’re illegal for good reasons.

      Why the fuck you’re doing a pointing game with the word ‘antisemetic’ is beyond me. Sounds like the typical christian “they’re not real christians, only I am!!!”

      • @Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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        islamaphobia dint really stick with people, anti-semitic has been around and established for decades of documented atrocities. islamaphobia is a very new concept has to do with extremely prejuidicial white people.

    • @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      110 days ago

      All those liberals going along with the idea that it’s possible to discriminate in a positive way only have themselves to blame when it turned out that their “positive” support of those they perceive as representatives of an ethnicity whom they (the liberals) view as “victims” as whole (i.e. all individuals of that ethnicity, rather than just the actual victims) was just racist prejudice and discrimination and stupidly easy to abuse to support ethnic cleansing (as long as those doing the murdering are from a “victim” race).

      Support for any kind of ethnic-wide assumptions about people and different standards of judgement and actions towards them based on their ethnicity, is the very same kind of view of one’s fellow human beings as the Nazis had, just with different “good” races and “bad” races.

      People should be judged on and treated based on what they support and what they do, not the ethnicity they were born into.

    • layzerjeyt
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      110 days ago

      I think it actually trivializes the allegations made by the IDF solidiers because the substance of historical “blood libel” myths seem almost gentle by comparison of what is actually going on. Baking bread with the blood of the occasional child would hardly even be noticed among the on going horrific carnage.

  • @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1110 days ago

    Holocaust admission AND Holocaust denial have now both been deemed antisemitic by the ethno-Fascist nation state that claims to represent all Jewish People.

  • @lath@lemmy.world
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    1011 days ago

    He’s really milking it…

    Kinda reminds me of Stalin. That too was a man driven by hate.