I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
Just look at the French, their government is terrified of it’s people.
I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
That may be so, but if so, it’s probably best not to strengthen the repressive reactionary entity you’re planning on squaring up against.
And you should most definitely not discuss any real plans of action on open, public forums like Lemmy. Find a private, closed, and encrypted service that can be trusted and use that.
This is why I had to laugh so hard about the groups that wanted to organize via reddit. WTF?
I’m not in the states, so this is purely hypothetical on my behalf.
Definitely a good point.
Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is… increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population
Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they’ll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we’ll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That’s how Popular Support works!
Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that’s boring and doesn’t make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.
Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.
What is groundwork? I haven’t heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?
Getting ready, essentially; ‘groundwork’ as in ‘preparing the ground for a building’. Propaganda, conversations, organization, convincing people, the basic, preliminary steps to action.
Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.
Holy Strawman Batman!
Would you like me to quote some folks on this very site?
You can quote me if you want, I can guarantee you’ll somehow manage to misread “Democrats lots because they didn’t hold a primary and ran a bad candidate rather than admit that the former candidate was sundowning” as somehow being my fault. XD
Are there any peole actually advocating to do nothing? How many accelerationists do you really think there are?
No. There isn’t. This is just an incredibly flimsy strawman argument that fails to conceptualize that there are alternatives to voting when it comes to exerting one’s political will.
How long have you been on this site? Nearly every day there’s someone putting forward the “Aktually, Trump winning is GOOD because now The Left Will Truly Rise As Was Foretold”
It’s the “Hit Rock Bottom and Turn Your Life Around” narrative. But it’s BS - there is no rock bottom. Things can always get worse. There is no miraculous cure. You need to make change happen.
You need another no Kings protest. Do it again Super effective
What, more boring groundwork? If it doesn’t overthrow the government immediately, what good is it?
If it doesn’t act quickly it will be no good as they are fortifying their positions.
These fools wouldn’t understand that real protest requires direct action. None of this begging bullshit and hoping for the establishment to be swayed against its own self interest.
If only Very Serious Ideologues hadn’t spent the past 50 years insisting that any behavior that didn’t immediately overthrow the government (It Will Happen Any Day Now) was worthless, we might be in a better position to act quickly.
But hell, if your idea is to act quickly, by all means - act! But if your thought is “Laying groundwork is worthless”, you had better goddamn be acting instead of preparing, because if you’re doing neither, you’re not really any better than any “Price of eggs” ghoul who doesn’t care how many foreign children die as long as their omelets remain cheap.
But protesting is how we win. Did you not see the Democrats during the state of the Union speech. Did you see the Booker marathon reading. George Floyd protest. No Kings. That port shut down whatever the fuck that was. Occupy. Occupy 2. The woman’s March.
lol
I love that your personality is “Don’t vote for a Democratic candidate or protest, it’s useless”, but people like you never bother to propose a realistic alternative. I’m sure you have a super secret solution that will totally work 😉
I literally have tons of ideas. Really simple shit too but you all love to argue so much and never learn. The leftist of today are the same leftist that let FBI infiltrate their most effective groups in the 70s and let them turn them into nonsense cults to kill any momentum. There the same leftist that took occupy wallstreet and turned it into a nonsense cult of stoners clicking their fingers in a park. It’s the same leftist that went from having a dominant cultural position with media and tech and has handed it to the right wing on a platter. The same leftist that have removed themselves from every social spaces allowing right wing ideas to rapidly spread while we all sit in the corner laughing about Ed Sheeran moth beans.
We need engagement and capture. I watched the right wing spend a year building a network of accounts from the ground up. That network spread information rapidly. And by information, it was literally shit posts. Trump on horseback with no shirt soy Wojack nonsense. And it fucking worked. It’s the most bullshit thing you accept but it’s true. People need to act like a network flood the channels with the messages to refute theirs.
What ideas do you have? I hadn’t heard the term groundwork before now, and I don’t know what this debate is about really. Can you explain?
