From @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com on a post over at !android@lemdro.id
Yeah this is just manufacturers self rating themselves. This is just like VW cars rating themselves as getting 5-10mpg better than their competitors, when really they were just measuring from the balls.
The up side is if they fail to meet those ratings then are the consumers entitled to some sort of compensation?
Btw, I love how Piefed shows comments from cross-posts. Every client should do it, helps make the fediverse feel bigger and more diverse.
This comment says otherwise:
https://lemmy.world/comment/18057099
How is battery life measured under this new EU regulation?
One interesting detail is that the battery endurance rating in the new labels is tested using the same software used by many tech reviewers: SmartViser. This French automation company works with labs and manufacturers to simulate real-world usage. So now, the battery performance you see on the label is based on consistent, lab-tested data, not just marketing claims.
the actual legislation is not that specific as far as i can tell:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R1669#anx_I
Article 5
Measurement methods
The information to be provided pursuant to Articles 3 and 4 shall be obtained by reliable, accurate and reproducible measurement and calculation methods, which take into account the recognised state-of-the-art measurement and calculation methods, as set out in Annex IV.
Article 6
Verification procedure for market surveillance purposes
Member States shall apply the verification procedure laid down in Annex IX when performing the market surveillance checks referred to in Article 8(3) of Regulation (EU) 2017/1369.
Awesome! Good to know its based off some kind of standardized testing. This is good for everyone!
It kind of isn’t. The EU is giving the cell companies guidelines on how they should test their batteries, and then report their numbers back to the EU. So “Apple” are testing their apple phones and then telling the EU their alleged numbers.
It’s also wrong. That comment is misinformation.
They are lab tested by a 3rd party in the EU, SmartViser.
Is piefed an instance?
Piefed is both an instance (piefed.social) and back-end server software that allows anyone to run their own instance (list of various Piefed instances). It works on the same ActivityPub protocol as Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin so they all interoperate with each other.
One of the cool things I like about Piefed is it seems to join the comments of various instances in cross-posts. On Lemmy, you can see its crossposted, but you have to manually check them out to see any comments on others. One cool feature I like over Lemmy. There’s a few others, but I’d encourage you to check it out. You don’t have to commit if you don’t like it.
That’s amazing, thanks for sharing that about piefed. More people should hear this. It ties the Fediverse together nicely and is likely opt-out.
I’ve been holding off on using it more because I haven’t found a replacement for Summit. But because of that feature, I’ll make a bigger effort.
Before anyone rushes to replace their phones my Pixel 5 is nearly 5 years old, still on original battery (would be on at least 1200 cycles) and is presently sitting at 92% and claiming 1 day 11hrs remaining. Off the charger since 9:45 this morning and used for streaming music to my car while I was driving earlier. It still easily holds over 24 hours charge in my usage, so if I forget to charge it at night it’s usually around 40% in the morning and I can plug it in sometime in the morning to top up. Perfectly useable after almost 5 years, and this is pretty normal for Pixels in my experience.
Love the new EU measurement standards but per other people’s comments above they do not seem to mandate strict third-party testing, but rather rely on manufacturers submitting their results and adhering to the set test standards. This has not worked out well in the past, it should be mandatory third-party.
Cannot wait to see the return of user-replaceable batteries (thank you again, EU).
Your pixel 5 didn’t just mysteriously die? There was a wave of them dying. Mine was part of the crossfire.
I loved the pixel 5 too, for like 3 years then mysteriously croaked.
Currently on the pixel 6 which is pretty good.
Ive not heard of this - were you on the standard Google OS? I wonder if that makes any difference.
I’ve been on custom ROM (CalyxOS) for most of the phone’s life.
I had the 5a, and the screen died after a small fall, apparently that was common with this phone, and yes I only found out defective it was from other reviews
That’s strange, considering they all use the same battery suppliers.
Samsung encourages battery provisioning in it by the user. So most people using a samsung only charge to eighty percent.
i did that for a month, it was actually more annoying than its worth, it made charge more often than i like. i was using a OPR12
How so? With heavy usage all my Samsung phones barely made it through a full day. I’ve never considered throttling the battery for the sake of longevity or been encouraged to by my phones.
It’s all up to where you live and how you use the phone.
One day heavy usage is the goal. I charge my S24 to 80% but only lightly call, and moderate chatting. I can make it from 6am to 8pm and still have well over 25% when I get home. Little to no gaming or social networks though.
It helps that I live and work in an urban area with good antenna coverage. So the phone doesn’t use too much power talking to the network. People who live out in suburbs and rural areas have worse phone battery life because the phone has to struggle talking with antennas further away. Battery life is complex and it goes beyond what personal anecdotes can show.
When you do the initial setup it asks if you’d like to optimize for battery health and most people say yes. Most recently it wouldn’t even tell you that it was only charging to 80%.It would still charge to a hundred but that would actually be eighty percent. Around a year ago they changed it so now it says eighty percent when you’re at full charge if you have the battery health turned on.
If you turn on the battery over provisioning you would see the same battery life at about a year and a half and then after that the provision battery will last longer. After the exploding phone they also provisioned five percent of all batteries.
That’s rhe same with my iPhone 16, it just charges to 100 every so often
Could be a difference in how they’ve set up charging cut off points.
It makes sense once you consider that these numbers are the manufacturers self reporting. That means they aren’t comparable, so drawing conclusions like ”manufacturer X has better batteries than manufacturer Y” from these numbers is silly.
Well, it could be that their electrical design or engineering teams have a bigger budget for prototyping and R&D. It’s not just the battery that affects the charging function.
Anecdotally it seems to be the case for me. I switched from the A series to the Pixel and I’m pretty disappointed in how quickly my battery life has degraded.
Doesn’t mean they use the same chemistry. There’s a lot of different lithium batteries.
Samsung isn’t even using the latest\greatest tech in cell phone batteries. The Redmagic 10 pro uses a silicon-carbon anode based battery in a dual cell form. It means fast charging is split between 2 batteries so there’s less battery damage on a recharge, and the chemistry is more energy dense.
Also, it seems the cell phone companies self assess the tests and report them to the EU, so take the whole thing with a grain of salt.
It’s got to be a lie
I’m at 943 cycles on my Pixel 6 Pro and it’s still going strong. I slow charge it every night and try to avoid fully draining the battery to slow down the deterioration, which seems to have worked pretty well. Thankfully a battery replacement is only $50 so it won’t cost much when I do have to replace it.
Yeah I’ve got a P7 Pro and the battery is still fine. Adaptive charging enabled to help batter life.
Handed my P6 down to my daughter and it’s still fine for her too
Where can you see charge cycles?
Settings -> About phone -> Battery information
I’m on pixel 6a. There is no battery info there
Did you tap the text “Battery Information”?
There is no Battery information option under About Phone on my Pixel 6a
I don’t see that menu option. I do see Settings -> Battery but it does not count cycles.
Pixel 4a Android 14
Doesn’t show charge cycles for me, sadly. Samsung A52
Hmm, might be a Pixel / GrapheneOS thing.
I had the same phone, and the only reason I replaced it was because the USB C port was finicky. It must have been damaged at some point and when plugged in, the cable had to be just right. Wireless charging works great, but I wanted the stability of being able to plug in and know it would discharge over night when I didn’t have a wireless charger. Otherwise, I had no issues with the battery, and I got the phone when it was pretty new to the market. I swapped it out just a few months back, and it’s going to be my test phone for grapheneOS and may end up being a communal remote.
(Not saying this was your case, but generally good to check) - a finicky/wobbly USB type c connector has been a symptom of a dirty charging port several times in the past. Awful lint/dirt would get packed down into it, preventing the charger from fully inserting.
I ended up carefully and gently picking it out, though there are some delicate small contacts in there!
Anyway, good luck trying GrapheneOS! It’s been my daily driver for months and past the learning experience it’s great!
Although, replacing the battery on the Fairphone is so much easier that 1000 cycles is acceptable.
You say that like it’s impossible to change the battery on a Samsung phone. I can have it done in under 10 minutes.
Sure but not everyone is tech savvy.
But non-tech people aren’t buying Faiphones, but whatever they’re pushing at the Verizon store.
Can you follow a step-by-step guide?
Can you use a screwdriver to remove 5-10 identical screws?
Can you use spudgers of varying sizes?
Can you use a hair dryer?
Then you can change the battery on your Samsung phone.
I guess the answer to at least one of those is no. Last time I tried a battery replacement, I broke the screen either during assembly or disassembly. I build my own desktop PCs, and have fixed laptop monitors and drives, but every time I attempt hardware repair on something phone-ish, I make it worse (even going back to when I owned an OpenMoko).
You haven’t had to touch the screen on a Samsung phone since like the S6, every model after that opens from the back.
Yeah so?.. They still managed to break it because battery replacement in a phone is not as easy as pop off the panel and replace.
Well, maybe I’ll try again in the future but I don’t currently own a Samsung.
did you have to pull the screen off and then glue it back on
Sorry, no way I am going back to Samsung. I had the A71 and it was a TERRIBLE smart phone. I switched to the Pixel 6 and it was night and day.
I just need to get off my ass and install Graphene.
From a budget phone to a flagship?
Yeah, i can see how the difference would be night and day…
Regardless pixel is a great series of phone if the OS works for you then stick with google phones.
Personally i like samsung. Even if they have gotten pretty shady. Since i owned the s2 years back i have always found myself liking samsung.
Tried nexus 6, tried the OG pixel which i liked but ruined when i dropped it in a barrel filled with potatos and water. (No k wont elaborate, its more fun to leave you guessing)
Tried huawei and enjoyed my p20 pro and p30 pro but once the fold 3 came out i was back with samsung. Got a fold 6 now and am very happy.
If i recall, since the advent of smart phones, i went: Sony xperia x10, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S4 mini, Google Nexus 6, Google Pixel, Huawei P20 pro, Huawei P30 pro, Galaxy Fold 3, Galaxy Fold 6,
You’re comparing apples and oranges. The A71 isn’t supposed to be comparable with a pixel 9.
You’re comparing the three-door Nissan to a Lamborghini
The Pixel line is comparable to the Samsung S line, you got a budget phone before
it’s well worth it and quite easy with the WebUSB installer
I just upgraded to the 9 and assume it’s scraping every bit of data it can from me. I will do it this weekend.
I used the A71 early 2020 till about a month or two ago, and it was a fantastic phone. Only reason I moved was it’s out of support, so no more security updates.
The battery was still rated at >90%. And I’d believe it, I never had to worry about it lasting a whole day. My only complaint about the phone was even during its support period the security patches were infrequent.
I contemplated Samsung again but chose a Pixel 9a due to the monthly security updates for 7 years. And in doing so I’ve given up dual sim, headphone jack and sd card slot (but few phones have all those features now).
I’m curious what made your experience with the A71 so terrible?
It was constantly giving out mistaken SOS messages. It would lock up and I’d have to constantly reset.
The final straw was when I was travelling to a work site I had never been to before. It locked up with a static screen and refused to reset. I had to stop at a gas station, at 4am, actually talk to another person and buy a map.
It was slow, buggy, constantly trying to get me to use their Samsung store, .etc…
When I moved to Pixel, it gave me the iPhone experience where shit just worked. And it integrated more things for me, which was convenient at the time. (But now I know it is scraping the fuck out of everything I do/see/hear.)
Wow that’s crazy we had such different experiences. I think mine locked up once in 5 years.
If Samsung came out tomorrow and said “we’re bringing it back into support for the next 2 years” I’d probably go back to it and put my pixel in a drawer.
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Damn, yeah. My pixel will drain 50% or more in a day, in my pocket. Brutal
finally some good news for us Samsung victims/owners.
1,000 charge cycles: OnePlus 13
Hmm. This one has newer silicone-carbon lithium-ion batteries, which should actually increase charge cycles, so what’s happening here?
Isn’t one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that’s extra fast?
Makes total sense if they traded in longevity for speed.
Isn’t one plus one of the brands that has their own fast charging tech, that’s extra fast?
Yes, but…
OnePlus offloads heat to the charger, so the phone actually doesn’t get hot while charging. This fact alone would IMPROVE charge cycles, even at fast speeds.
But OnePlus also uses quite a few “tricks” to preserve battery health. Did the test include those features or did they turn them off. And if they turned them off, did they do the same with the Samsung phones (which have similar battery-health preserving options)?
I’ve had my OP13 since the day it came out (around 5-6 months) and keep it charged to 80% (built-in feature) and only charge it to 100% when I’ll be out for the day and need to use GPS with max screen brightness. Battery health is still 100%.
I’ve owned a lot of Samsung phones before that, and the battery health was the only reason I’ve needed to replace them. So, I’m glad to see that the EU is taking charge cycles into account.
One piece of the puzzle that the numbers don’t mention, is that the smaller battery of the Samsung phones means you’ll be charging more often (i.e. more charge cycles) vs. something like a OP13 with a larger battery and excellent battery life (i.e. fewer charge cycles for the same use). Maybe that balances things out, but I’m still shocked that Sammy can get 1000 more charge cycles, which is YEARS more battery health than the other brands.
edit: clarity
OnePlus offloads heat to the charger
Some of it. They omit some circuitry that would have generated additional heat in the phone, and have it in the charger instead, but that doesn’t magically mean the battery itself wont generate the inevitable heat caused by being charged faster. The battery itself only accepts one voltage, so the only way to charge it faster is amps.
And my feeling is that they aren’t using the gains from this to make the batteries last, as SUPERVOOC is faster than pretty much every other standard. That makes me think they turned in any and all gains in battery health, for speed.
Most chargers send the additional energy via the cable in the form of extra voltage, because that doesn’t require a special cable. Turning that voltage into amps in the phone produces a little bit of extra heat, but that doesn’t mean that by eliminating that step, you get none from the battery itself as it charges. You can technically charge with a higher voltage, if you set up a phone such that it has more than one lithium cell. Some phones do this, but this doesn’t require the OnePlus approach of using a special charger that provides a higher current, since any fast charger that can do the usual higher voltage method of providing extra power will work.
Like you say. I’m curious how they test this. Even if one battery gets more cycles, it’ll degrade with time, as well. iPhones fast charge, too, but not with the chargers that used to come with the phones. You have to get one specifically for fast charging to get faster-than-normal charging.
Also, a tip. You may want to use something like AccuBattery to actually measure the state of the battery. Batteries, being chemical devices, have different capacities straight off the production line simply by virtue of not being chemically identically down to every molecule. (My Xperia 1 V unfortunately came with 93% design capacity, still within manufacturing tolerance, but the lowest I’ve seen on a new battery, it can be a bit of a lottery)
The built-in battery health monitor will just say “all good” until it isn’t. AccuBattery has allowed me to monitor every percentage of degradation over the lives of my last few phones.
That data is independently researched or Samsung gave that to the EU and it’s published as-is?
The new law does not mandate third-party review. It’s the innkeeper claiming that the wine is good.
I find that I wear out the charging port before the battery. I don’t even plug it in that much either.
try a magnetic charger. it may look a bit off leaving the usb-c part plugged into the phone, but there’s way less wear or lint
Magnetic USB cables are usually dogshit though. They are not defined in the USB spec, so it’s the wild west out there.
Or wireless, I’ve used both for years
Try cleaning out the USB-C port. Lint gets compacted in there and it can prevent the plug from seating correctly. Most charging problems I’ve had were resolved by scraping the lint out of the port, with a plastic floss pick thing or an unbent staple. Careful not to damage the contacts though.
But they don’t have GrapheneOS 😟
Unfortunately, the future of grapheneos is not certain anyway with Google going closed source on all the drivers and device trees
I received 100 dollars from Google for nerfing my battery capacity on my pixel 6a. If you have an pixel 6a you can also get this.
I wonder why people downvote this… some kind of brand loyalty/emnity, or buyer’s remorse?
I can anecdotally attest to this. I’ve been using the same Samsung phone since basically 2020 with original battery and the runtime is still damn good for what I need.
Same, got mine in early 2020 and the battery is still at 87% capacity.
cool. since whatever i had after the pixel 1, I’ve had to replace my phone every 1 or 2 years. i like the os but they’re not made as well anymore
