• @prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
    8•14 days ago

    What’s hilarious to me is that OP has a deliberate “this is only about one situation” and then defends how the other obvious situation isn’t that.

    From a .ml user.

    Curious.

    Now I’m no supporter of genocide by anyone, and definitely not a Zionist, but it’s strange how when talking about Israel (by this user) there is nothing else, in fact you’ll be argued down by them if you see this comic as talking about anything but what they think.

    Anyways….

    This comic is about the USA.

    This comic is about Canada.

    This comic is about Australia.

    This comic is about basically every African nation, South Africa especially.

    This comic is about Russia, this comic is about the Soviet Union.

    This comic is about Israel.

    This comic is about a number of current conflicts.

    This comic is about a number of past conflicts.

    This comic is about raw Kalkite being mined from Gorman.

  • @nroth@lemmy.world
    0•14 days ago

    I suppose Russia’s invasion is definitely imperialism, but I don’t see anyone saying both sides are at fault.

  • @nroth@lemmy.world
    -1•14 days ago

    I don’t know of any cases of imperialism recently, though I see what appear to be conflicts incorrectly framed as such.

    For example, many say this about the Israeli/Arab conflict. However, this conflict is thousands of years old. The Israelis solidly lost a war to keep their land in the BC era, then after WWII, leaders decided to undo the loss, again by force. Predictably, the Arabs, having lived there for thousands of years now (since they were Babylonians!) were not happy. It is not simple.

    The Israeli return may have been orchestrated by the imperial powers, but I would argue this is not imperialism or even a bad thing. Consider the colonial invasion of the Americas. That was clearly imperialism because my ancestors had never lived there, and had no claim to the land. We just wanted it. At best, we thought we could make better use of it than the natives. That was not the case with Israel, whose ancestors largely were the natives.

    Of course, persecuting Palestinians is wrong. Imagine if thousands of years from now, the American Indians, supported by the international community, forced Americans to adopt their customs and religion or leave. That would not be right either, even though maybe they should have their land back!

    We need to share in these cases, and are unfortunately bad at sharing.

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        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝English
          2•14 days ago

          Except Russia also did and is doing settler colonialism, inasmuch they have been moving Ukrainians out and Russians into Ukraine for the past century at least, as they did with other Soviet republics, as they are doing to neighbouring states, with the aim of eroding their national identity.

          Just like they are doing now. The only marginal difference is that there are not enough Ukrainians to alter electoral balances, and Russia would be able to dissolve the population of Ukraine via forced relocations instead of just killing them all. Both are genocide by the way.

          • queermunist she/her
            -1•14 days ago

            Is Russia trying to exterminate Ukrainian people in the annexed regions and replace them with Russian settlers?

              • queermunist she/her
                -1•14 days ago

                Elaborate. You too @grue@lemmy.world Have there been mass deaths of civilians in Russian-occupied areas? Are they segregating the population or practicing apartheid based on ethnicity? Are they sterilizing Ukainians? Have marriages between Russians and Ukrainians been outlawed?

                What kind of extermination campaign are they running? I’m not seeing it, besides relocating children out of the war zone. I suppose that could be argued as ethnic cleansing, but it can also be justified as protecting children from war so this alone isn’t enough imo

    • @Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1•14 days ago

      The Israelis solidly lost a war to keep their land in the BC era, then after WWII, leaders decided to undo the loss, again by force.

      [snip]

      That was clearly imperialism because my ancestors had never lived there, and had no claim to the land. We just wanted it. At best, we thought we could make better use of it than the natives. That was not the case with Israel, whose ancestors largely were the natives.

      Absolutely fucking unhinged.

      You can’t get kicked out of a land 2000 years ago and claim you’re still the natives. Israel has 0 claim to the land aside from their religious mythos, and the “christians” are supporting this for similar reasons since their mythos suggests that the second coming is after Israel holds the land.

      AT BEST this is imperialism using religion as the excuse (you know, fairly standard imperialism). But claiming it’s not imperialism is still carrying water for a genocidal ethnostate trying to handwave away the fact they’re stealing land and slaughtering natives while still trying to play the victim.

    • @Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      2•14 days ago

      Instead of crying for mommy and daddy admin to defederate from the ‘.ml badthink’ and build your uncritical hug box for everyone else, you can always block the instance as a whole client side. That why we left Reddit, you are in control of your experience

      Or just keep scrolling and stow the comment instead of demanding others change, but maybe I’m a weirdo idk

    • @ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
      1•14 days ago

      While I understand the compulsion to ignore and distract oneself from the ever growing list of atrocities around the world, I find it to be a personal responsibility to maintain rather than a public obligation to protect.