They couldn’t “gone” beyond self defence if it wasn’t self-defense to start with.
I mean, they got attacked
After decades of brutalising the gazans and stealing land
By civilians?
Sure are a lot of liberals suddenly not concerned with whataboutism in this thread.
whataboutism 
Easy block.
Israel hasn’t even started their offensive, and already the number of Palestinian civilians killed has gone far beyond the number of Israelis killed in the Hamas raid.
They’ve dropped over 5,000 bombs on Gaza (and counting) including white phosphorus and you say they haven’t started their offensive???
There are, as of yet, no tanks rolling into Gaza. It’s all shaping operations and small localised raids so far.
So there’s no ground invasion. But the offensive has started
If you consider preparations to be part of the thing, yes. Which is a valid view just not standard military lingo.
Look at it like this: If you only do shaping, that is, poke and peek until you have the enemy in a position you like, but then don’t actually pounce the impact on the battlefield will be minimal to non-existent: Borders won’t shift, what you essentially did is having an overcomplicated skirmish.
…that’s militarily speaking. Of course, the IDF already killed more Gazan civilians than Hamas killed Israeli civilians. But militarily speaking that’s not an offensive, how could it, it’s not affecting military targets.
Yes, unfortunately.
Collective punishment is a war crime
Liberals: LALALALA! LALALALA 👉😩👈
China: why dont you do the humane thing and round them up, throw them in camps, force them into slave labor and kill them in mass if they dont get ‘reeducated’?
And harvest organs too, economic prosperity, fuck yeah!
Has there been any evidence whatsoever that China has killed anyone en masse?
In fact, has there been any evidence whatsoever that China’s “rounding them up” has affected more than, say, 10% of the population? Friendly reminder that 28.5% of Black Americans will end up going to prison at some point.
It’s a discriminatory statistic, absolutely, but at the end of the day not everyone is being imprisoned. We only hear about the experiences of those that are because they’re the same people willing to leave China or give comment to Western media.
It’s weird, people say they won’t trust the American government because their evil. Yet they’ll trust anything the US says about China even if it runs contrary to what actual Muslims who visited the region say and even the UN. They totally distrust the US, unless it’s about China. Then it’s 100% true.
Just checked your comment history and you only make comments on China. You should change it up or else people might think you are a weibo thought police.
As for your comment, i dont care to respond. Your propoganda is always better than the opposition propoganda.
Then why even post? Also, I don’t care how people look at me. That said, the comments are all me arguing in one thread. At this point it’s over taken my account because of how many people responded.
The UN?
The OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China is a report published on 31 August 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) concerning the treatment of Uyghurs and other largely Muslim groups in China. The report concluded that “[t]he extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim groups, pursuant to law and policy, in context of restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.”[1][
Exactly, which is similar to what the UN says about the US detaining African Americans.
https://legal.un.org/ilc/sessions/71/pdfs/english/cah_wg_epad.pdf
NOT that China is genociding the Uyghurs.
Now, I’m expecting one of two responses,
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WHATABOUTISM RAWR RAWR that we should ignore US crimes because China bad.
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Dismissals that China totally arrests more even though we have no data on that.
That said, I do apologize for not making that clear in my original statement. I wasn’t trying to say that the UN found no problems at all, only that the problems it found isn’t special or unique, but most importantly that it does not constitute genocide that the US is insisting is happening.
Why do people always assume I can’t be appalled by China and the states simultaneously? It’s not one or the other.
Maybe because people assume I’m American (my username is partially because of Canada) . But even so, I freely admit my country of Canada was actively built upon genocide. And given the amount of missing and murdered indigenous women it’s still going on at least passively.
I guess it also depends on what you consider a “genocide”. I don’t see how what China’s doing is any different from what Canada’s done.
Well for one there’s no evidence of murder. That’s actually my whole point. For all the complaining, the people who actually visited, the UN and Muslim nations have not seen any evidence of killing.
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Is this funny to you?
stop collective punishment
- Chinese officials collectively punishing Muslims in their own country, for less
Collective punishment is when job and language training programs and employment placement. The more language and job skills a Muslim learns, the more collectively punished they are.
Where “job and language training programs” include sitting on the ground next to two hundred other inmates in humiliating postures.
…that said the camps indeed don’t seem to be collective punishment from what I’ve gathered. If you keep your head down and behave Han-like enough and don’t complain the Han leave you alone. They’re also not bombing cities but just abducting people into camps, telling families to keep quiet about it or they’re next because opposing the camps is obviously unpatriotic. Or questioning the state’s decisions.
A component of CPC ideology is the idea that economic circumstance is the root of almost all problems and that, by extension, radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.
People might be forced into job and language training, but they do come out of it with job and language training (and with radical tendencies mostly eliminated). It’s a collectively beneficial policy in the long run, but does step on Western notions of human rights quite aggressively (compulsory and forced education is a no-no).
For what it’s worth, China has been trying to differentiate being “Chinese” from being “Han” to varying levels of success. This is in alignment with communist ideology. In fact, much of CPC ideology is drawn from Marxism: China is moving towards communism. In that view, China’s behaviour becomes much more predictable, much easier to understand, and also much more reasonable. Communist ideology forms the core tenets of Chinese governance, just like the rights of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the principles of liberty, equality, and justice are core tenets of Western democracy.
radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.
You mean left behind by state capitalism with an absolute fig leaf of a welfare system?
…curious how MLs manage to blame themselves but not notice it. Who are those evil fat cats reaping all the profit leaving Xinjiang in the dust? Who profits now, who failed to invest ages ago?
Today, Xinjiang is solidly middle of the lack today in both GDP/capita and median income. Meanwhile, minority groups in Xinjiang have progressively narrowed the income gap over the years while in other provinces, Manchu and Hui people have almost eliminated the gap entirely. You’re free to read the studies, but a good chunk of them are in Chinese. What is known is that, as a result, terrorist attacks have basically been eradicated. Looking at the data, whatever China has done is clearly working. It’s simple, really: income go up, radicalization go down. China brought income up, and radicalization go down.
And because radicalisation has gone down now they need camps they didn’t need before?
Camps are emptying 🤷♀️
So… Yes?
Source: mouthpieces of western officials collectively punishing Muslims of many other countries, for oil
I’m sure everyone involved in fabricating this genocide merely has the best interests of all Muslims at heart.
Is this that whataboutism I’ve been hearing so much about?
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How could china have handled the NED funded protest in Hong Kong better in your opinion?
In HK: the police calmed the protests with no deaths attributed to the police, only the protestors such as the girl’s suicide and the man they lit on fire.
In USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiU8sL7Yq9Q
But yeah, China bad
The man lit on fire survived, but there was the old dude the protestors hit with a brick [that you link below, but he wasn’t the same as the arson victim] and that protestor who fell off a ladder or something and died.
Right, I knew 2 died, I got them mixed up a tiny bit. Below I have provided sources.
I didn’t know about the suicide, so debateably it was 3. Anyway, I appreciate your integrity.
Wait, the HK protesters had one of their girl’s suicide and a man lit on fire…? Give me a good source on that…
I love giving sources!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Luo_Changqing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Chan_Yin-lam
I was just waiting for someone to ask!
Thanks,
Why do you wait for someone to ask?
I like people to be interested and want the info. I don’t know if you’ve noticed from my conversation here, the majority of people just want to argue with me and not actually learn something.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://www.piped.video/watch?v=BiU8sL7Yq9Q
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Please stop comparing a bullshit protest to people suffering pogroms and genocide. Thanks.
I see my response was censored/removed by “the mod”. I’m almost positive you took what I said out of context, because I don’t make mistakes like that.
I didn’t quote what you said at all so it’s impossible that I took it out of context. It was a gross statement and you should do better.
that’s what I said - the mod censored what I wrote because the mod is capricious. Are you a todd? Mod?
They’re both genocide, but let’s condemn both and not play whataboutism
- whataboutism
The NED funded protests in HK were genocide… interesting. Do you have a source on that?
