- cross-posted to:
- pcgaming@lemmy.ca
- cross-posted to:
- pcgaming@lemmy.ca
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no shit, the forums are cancer
Steam Forums are one of the worst hellholes I’ve seen on the modern internet, and Valve does nothing. Any game that gets declared a target by the post-Gamergate crowd ends up having its board seiged until it’s unusable for any kind of actual discussion.
Valve’s hands-off philosophy with almost all of their social components is one of those massive double-edged swords, as anyone who trades steam items will tell you as well.
It allows anyone to take charge in participation, but that’s EVERYONE, including those who enjoy belittling others, which sucks.
Valve could easily fix it by making game discussions default to owners only, but they’ve always been a shitty company so they dont bother
If they would, no one could ask anything pre purchase.
But I also don’t like the forum in there because of the bad atmosphere. Also I don’t know whether it is because of a special group or because the general communication style in games is toxic, dumb, aggressive and egoistical as fuck… Like in almost every ingame chat.
Why not both? One section for owners, one for pre-purchasers (maybe it has to be in their wishlist?)
It would give owners a clean space, allow pre-purchasers to ask questions, but rob trolls of attention (which is the most important thing).
Wahhh, people are saying things I don’t like on the internet!
I don’t have to read any of it, but it bothers me that it’s happening at all!
How can we pressure the people in charge to censor things we don’t like?
Shut up bitch ass troll.
This is why you sleep alone every night.
I don’t see how it’s Valves problem. They are a marketplace and essentially rent a store front to developers. Forum moderation for a specific game should be up to the developer/publisher.
It’s like if you rented a spot in a stripmall, and you want the stripmall owner to come clean the floors when people come into your shop and piss on your floor. Don’t want to manage your own forum, then disable user posts entirely.
Don’t want to manage your own forum, then disable user posts entirely.
I don’t believe that’s an option. I know one indie dev that actually told me they wished they could just not have a Steam forum because they hate it.
Valve does nothing
It’s not Valve’s job to provide a liberal education and loving community for the young’uns, the only thing Valve can do is censor discussions and ban people for what they are saying. Like tiktok is doing with “Israel is controlling the U.S. through AIPAC”.
the only thing Valve can do is censor discussions and ban people for what they are saying
Except they don’t, which is the problem. Moderation of the forums is pushed off on developers, publishers and volunteers, and Valve only gets involved if they absolutely have to. It makes effective moderation of the forums dedicated to games made by small and solo devs functionally impossible, and allows for rampant abuse of the systems by publishers, such as Take Two marking negative reviews as “off-topic”.
I’ve never considered even using the forums and am only vaguely aware of them. It’s a store, not a social platform. I buy my games, I run the games. Anything else is…kind of weird honestly.
The forums are to be avoided. You can’t even have an honest non-political discussion in them because it is filled with immature asshole trolls with somehow too much time on their hands. I’m permabanned from Steams official forums because of just suggesting we get rid of the jester award. Cue in legions of fuckheads storming in 16 pages worth of my reviews and flagging nearly all of them with jester awards. Fuck that shithole.
It’s even astounding how one of the trolls, was married and has a kid. What a life that guy has to find so much time to be an asshole online while having a family. “Uh sorry honey, I’m too busy owning someone online because they had an opinion I don’t like, I’m not going to have dinner with you tonight.”
while I respect your right to have an opinion removing the jester award, is in my opinion, stupid
I understand the importance of actually performing rigorous studies (haven’t checked their methodology) but… no fucking shit?
GabeN is a pretty established Libertarian Tech Bro and Valve only moderates to the bare minimum requirement. Of course chuds are going to thrive under those circumstances.
Its why I STILL laugh my ass off when people go on an anti-Epic rant about how EGS doesn’t have forums or whatever. Like… you REALLY telling on your ass if you think the steam forums are something anyone should want more of.
I dunno. I increasingly think the answer is to burn it all down (on a lot of subjects). The idea of going to the store to ask questions or get recommendations feels like one of those “remember yesteryear?” that never actually happened. I NEVER had a good experience talking to a sales person in a Circuit City or Electronics Boutique (I’ll never stop being annoyed over going to pick up KOTOR 2 on launch day and having to tell the cashier, five different times, that I would not be buying WoW or Starcraft…).
Back in the day? I looked at boxes and if the price was right just got it. Otherwise I read through PC Gamer or EGM to find out what games were good.
These days? I look through the store front and if the price is right, I do a quick skim of the review scores and get it. Otherwise I have a few influencers I “trust” to review/showcase games for me. What IS new is that sometimes I go to a message board (generally reddit for volume) and ask if someone can point me at a youtube that goes deeper into a feature. But even that isn’t dissimilar from a schoolmate who probably became a neo nazi who couldn’t stop talking about how good IL-2 was.
So get rid of all the social media bullshit attached to store fronts and just require devs to put a link to their social media of choice for reporting bugs or whatever.
Like… you REALLY telling on your ass if you think the steam forums are something anyone should want more of.
idk man I only use them when a game isn’t gaming right and there’s usually some posts about how to get the game to game correctly, sometimes even posts by the devs, let’s not pretend it’s *all* /v/ shit
Yeah, there’s definite value in having these boards to ask questions. It just… needs moderators to be more proactive in dealing with bad actors.
