enshitification 101

Forgive me, but if there ever was a niche scenario this is it.

You’re the kind of user software developers dread.

Whyy

Since you are sharing anecdotes, let me join.

For me FF has always been extremely stable, and I too regularly keep 100+ tabs open, on much more limited system resources. It is so stable that I’ve completely disabled history saving, and if there is something I want to read later I just keep the tab open. Never had an issue.

Tree Style Tabs also pushed me to have many tabs, because now I can actually organize those that I’ve opened and find them later.

I have the opposite experience. I easily can have as many tabs at times and I’ve seen chrome use over 10gb of ram and fully lock at times. I switched to Firefox for that reason and others and it performs much better with that many tabs open. Most ram I’ve seen it using is about 6gb. Minimal and equivalent plugins in both. I’ve never had firefox crash. This across multiple computers. I now have uninstalled chrome everywhere…

Please leave this conversation, because you’re probably the only user who goes over 100 tabs. Normal people have about 10 open just for your reference

Yup, can say that firefox is quite a bit slower on android (but honestly it’s still quite ok, unless it decides to loop loading the page, or it bugs out in another way, at least on my phone it’s quite prone to breaking, for comparison brave is really a bit faster than Firefox

Google Chrome is much faster than Firefox on Android phones

Not with the ads (Firefox Android has uBlock).

This is precisely why I’ve never found Chromium based browsers to be of much relevance. These are just skins on top of the rendering engine which is the core of the browser and that’s entirely controlled by Google. People kept ignoring this and now we’re in a situation where Chrome and its derivatives dominate the market to the point where sites no longer care whether they follow W3C specs as long as Chrome renders them. We’re now back in pretty much the same situation we were in the days of IE.

It’s depressing that people were unable to understand where things were going until Google started doing blatantly evil things. The only thing that was keeping Google in check before was the fact that it was lack of market dominance. Google is an ads company, and there is a huge conflict of interest with them being the gatekeepers to the internet.

Edge can go fucking die, MS has lost all trust with me when it comes to them and Internet Browsers, I rip edge out of all my systems no matter what it might “break”.

Maybe you should deploy solutions that are browser agnostic. That kind of shit is how we ended up with IE and its proprietary BS like ActiveX years ago. Clearly, people are forgetting history

Why would you target a browser with 5% market share instead 65? How do you even manage to make an application that’s performing vastly different on different UIs but the same engine? Sounds like you need to go looking for real engineers to build your thing.

For better and worse, most people don’t care what’s under the hood. They care about the surface features. I.e. Chrome already has their bookmarks, the buttons are all in the same place, etc.

You and I know there’s little difference but end users don’t want to change, even if it’s to something that would benefit them in the long run (i.e. Firefox)

Be really cool if they’d at least add it to their mobile browser though.

Different use case. Those are containers, which have a similar color… But in Chrome, everything is in one container, the colored tabs are just grouped together and those groups can be collapsed to save horizontal space in the tab bar.

Wishful thinking on my part tbh, I forget that there is an ecosystem with gmail :/

You wouldn’t believe how many people are actually incompetent using a pc beyond using default values and browsing the web, for example in school one day I had to help classmates save their project documents to the school’s server, because they didn’t know how to browse the select folder dialogue box (or whatever it’s called), and another dude in my class didn’t know how to use the shortcut bar at the bottom of the window in PowerPoint so he literally scrolled through the ribbon for like 2 minutes before he managed to launch the presentation (and this guy is a straight A student to note), I also heard stories about coworkers which didn’t know how to open a zip file or how to forward an email

The oversimplification of software is really problematic, since everything is made to be as straightforward as it can be people just go with it and then have a problem when they need to do something a different way

Thank you. Sounds like the typical reasons to remove freedom from the users. :)

Floorp is a nice Browser. Apart of Vivaldi, I use also the Mullvad Browser and the SSuite Netsurf for some tasks, before I also had the Midory Browser (almost identical to Floorp) and almost all others which are exist or existed in the past. But Vivaldi remain my main browser since 8 years.

Anyone remembers when Chrome was the hot new kid on the block and we all converted the “normies” to it because it was so much better than IE? We’re reaping what we sowed.

Are you using chrome? 🫤

Although you could take into account what the makers are telling you. You have to trust someone, and at least to my knowledge, Google fails and it’s all over the news, Vivaldi has not. It’s not like I can validate the Firefox source either, I’m just trusting the website I download it from, or more likely my distro packaging. And people do look at call outs browsers make etc.

Mostly because the browsing experience IMO is much much worse with Firefox. I tried extensions to get functionality back, it made it worse - slower, buggy, extensions would stop being developed etc. I wish Firefox was better, I really do. But IME it’s frozen functionality like it’s 2010 or so. Like, they have tabs, who hoo. I really find save/restore, multi window control, tab stacks, sessions, workspaces, and easy UI config pretty important in day to day use. That said, I also think ads are a deal breaker, but I really wonder if this won’t bring back some of the ad-blocking proxies you run locally or something.

Or, someone forks chromium to keep Manifest v2 or whatever.

I just can’t use a browser so… primitive? I wold gladly change to Firefox if it gave me all the customisation options Vivaldi has. Mouse gestures, synchronising my settings across 2 PCs and an android phone, shortcuts to different searchers etc. Plus it would need to be visually customisable so od doesn’t irritate me every couple of minutes.

All beautifully preached to the choir. Now: how to communicate all this to the unwashed masses who think the web and the internet and Chrome are all the same thing? Serious question.

I don’t see any reason to think Vivaldi is trying to monetize it’s users, it seems to have a lot of privacy features and the like. They strip out the chromium spying.

Putting Brave and Vivaldi in the same bucket is just Mozilla shilling.