A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.
Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.
Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.
This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I’m sure everything will go fantastic.
Reddit will sure be a lovely site in a few months…
May their shareholders weep.
If you take away what the people want
You’re gonna have a bad time. ⛷️
I’m sad to see what has happened to the community I’ve been a part of for the better part of my life.
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they’re gonna love that sweet, sweet liability
I heard Disney really likes it when their content is shared through Reddit without them getting a cut of the profits. ;)
I had a good hearty laugh thanks to your comment.
lol yeah
Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.
I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?
Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.
I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.
Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.
Well, they could just say: “We made a script to track every mod who closed their sub, revogate its mod permissions and notify all other mods in the sub with an automatic message”, which basically frees them from any charges regarding community content.
They could, however, be sued for not actively removing illegal content, such as pirated things and MAP related things (e.g. r/jailbait)
Honestly it would probably be easy to force the sub to go dark again via ban by posting direct piracy links.
Well I guess its time to flood r/piracy with magnet links as soon as the new jannies open it.
Also worth flooding them with
linksa map to where they can board the new ship where the 🏴☠️ flag still flies high.Bonus points if they’re Nintendo games!
why magnet links in particular?
I mean could be any link to copyright material but I generally grab magnet links so shrug
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So Reddit is forcing open a piracy sub. I wonder how potential investors would feel about that?
This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It’ll hurt bad.
This is happening all over reddit.
Mods are posting all over the place saying “I have to bend over for the admins because if I don’t they’ll find someone else who will”.
You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don’t have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit’s not about to die but it’s best days are in the past. I wouldn’t want to be a part of the future of reddit.
Not sure about the optics of Reddit force-reenabling a subreddit devoted to piracy LOL
Coming soon: rebranding /r/piracy to “pirate cosplay”
Nothing but pictures of John Oliver in maritime garb.
Is this the “sexy john oliver” thing people were talking about?
r/piracy after the IPO: piracy is unethical as it is stealing from the poor (companies). This is a community to discuss how to stop piracy and become responsible and dutiful consumers.
“dutiful consumers” kinda icks me lol
"In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:
- The defendant must be a “provider or user” of an “interactive computer service”.
- The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the “publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.
3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue."
If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?
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Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn’t go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they’re even dumber than I thought.
automated message, sure. But they demoded just me, which is obviously very exact.
An interesting point about this, is that previously when people would try to gain control over subs with inactive mods the admins would drag their feet as much as possible. (I’m part of a sub where it took almost a year via several requests for the group of new mods to gain ownership of the sub).
But now some fee-fees got hurt and admins go nuclear and removes mods at lightspeed…Well, what lovely timing to abandon ship
btw can the other mods bring you back?
Reopen with the new rules: All posts must relate to the golden age of piracy!
Lol but I think don’t reopen; for r/piracy it looks way better if the Pigboy CEO forces it to reopen return legitimate posts IMHO
This bullshit made me nuke my 30k karma account. I hope lemmy won’t die month later.
That’s literally impossible! An instance may go down, but it will stay cached.
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This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online. The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever
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You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)
I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).
I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.
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relays can choose to block content.
This is so naive I don’t even know where to start. But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince you. Reality will do it for me anyway.
Okie, I’m absolute noob here. Right now I struggle to find night mode. :D
Settings > Theme
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We’ll build a better ship with a sturdier ram, 32 pounder cannons and free wenches and rum! Dbzer0 for captain, 2023
Im here for the plexable wenches & torrents of rum!
If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they’ll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that’s going to be a shitshow all in itself.
Oh shit, I didn’t even notice what subreddit this was. Please PLEASE someone kick down their door (with legal actions) over this.
Imagine fucking up that hard that pirates endorse DMCA
Time to post pics of John Oliver
1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”
2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab
3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands
4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.
So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They’re basically waiving their net neutrality.
That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.
Of course not, from reddit’s ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.
You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." –https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021
That’s their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it (“Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.”).
@Lorez “Yes your honor, user ******* gave me all this content and I’m making money out of it, but I have nothing to do with it. I swear”
Terms of service are pretty much the legal equivalent of graffiti, they are there to look impressive not mean anything. You’ll struggle to find any legal rulings based on business to consumer TOS because companies know they are very like to get rejected as unenforceable due to discrepancy between the parties and inability to negotiate.
If reddit are asserting control of content by forcibly publishing it (opening private subs and undeleting comments) then there is a very good chance a judge would see them as being responsible for it.
Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?
Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit’s ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is “you’re responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it.”
Section 230 (often called the 26 words that created the internet) reads:
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
Wikipedia also says:
Section 230©(2) further provides “Good Samaritan” protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.”
I’m also not a lawyer so I have no clue what the ramifications for this are, but I’m guessing that Reddit isn’t liable for stuff people upload as long as the illegal stuff gets removed.
If Reddit undeletes a post, could they be treated as the publisher? At the very least it sounds not very good-samaritan-y of them to do that, so maybe they wouldn’t be protected in that case.
BTW, the supreme court heard a few cases centered around section 230 a few months ago! And Biden called for it to be reformed! So depending on how that goes, the internet could get shaken up soon. We’re in some interesting times.
Which is essentially what section 230 has given all social media companies. They are absolved from responsibility from what users post, but own it all and can moderate (or fail to) however they want. Companies have all of the control
We need digital rights
Except for Switch ROMs that’s where they draw the line
Nobody fucks with Nintendo, or The Mouse.
