Problem with setting Teslas on fire is we can’t know if it’s an act of protest or if they just did that on their own.
The incident in Kansas City genuinely does sound like one just caught itself on fire.
In Kansas City, Police Captain Jacob Becchina said in a statement that an officer first observed smoke coming from a Cybertruck parked in a Tesla parking lot. “The officer used his fire extinguisher, however, KCFD was still needed as he could not put the fire out,” Becchina said. “The fire spread to a second Cybertruck parked next to the original burning one. The circumstances are under investigation, but preliminarily, the fire is being investigated for the potential of being an Arson.”
Could be insurance fraud too.
Probably a lot of the time it is. Nows a great time to do it if you’re gonna.
Saw a post earlier where a guy was 42,000$ underwater on his and wanted to offload it at that big of a loss before his insurance dropped it entirely.
*$42,000. You saved no time in typing it wrong and look stupid. Congratulations.
Some advice for demonstrations (including propaganda of the deed):
- Wear a ski mask. Wear rubber gloves.
- Wear anonymous clothing.
- Don’t trust phones. Don’t use them to plan, and leave them turned on at home.
- Use a cell structure to organize, and share info on a need-to-know basis only.
- Assume there are not only cameras but microphones.
- Don’t drive anywhere near the location of the demo. Ride-haining services are even worse. Don’t even cycle in unless you can go off-road.
- Distinguish individuals’ property from corporate property.
- The goal is to live to fight another day. A fair fight is one in which you don’t get hurt.
Not having the phone with you is critical. But I assume planning is done on a laptop or desktop that is obviously not taken with?
“Trump administration looking to categorize Tesla vandalism as domestic terrorism” Because Republicans are cowards without principles who can never even think of opposing him.
Spontaneous combustion
Thanks for hurting the environment I guess. Could have just boycotted tesla products and corporate tesla
Stick to the showrooms and dealers. The victims in Las Vegas was just owners who brought their cars in to be fixed.
They can use the insurance money to get a non tesla. Clearly these confused autistic gestures are not working since the de facto tyrannyical government is not reacting to it at all and not labelling it “terrorism”.
spoiler
After seeing american tesla owners drive rentals in iceland, my toughts and prayers are with each of the expensive luxury vehicle owners and their families going through this tough time.
Been thinking about this a lot. They can say it’s terrorism. History is written by the winners.
But…
Rebellion is constitutional, but not legal. If you rebel, you die a terrorist or live a hero. Not much middle ground.
Jan 6ers were pardoned, so by this logic all the car vandalisms are legal too.
How americans see themselves after cowardly vandalising some idiot’s car
How Republicans feel after murdering a woman by deciding the fetus is more important.
On face value sure but if they as a vehicle become uninsurable Thats all the better for the world. Those cars are deathtraps anyway.
Too bad roasted CEO isn’t on the menu yet
What about the Germans and the French? Are they cowards too?
Hahaha 😂 10/10 meme
I’m not a big fan of that but I did notice there’s a new 2025 model y. At this point if you buy a Tesla you have it coming. If I saw someone destroying that I would look the other way.
Then I’m using plastic straws again, it’s on you buddy!
Intelligence is faster than you.
It’s only ok to be violent if you’re a Republican. I’m not supporting this, but since Jan 6’ers were pardoned then these car vandalisms are totally legal too. I think they’re equally immoral.
You think the coup attempt that ended lives is just as bad as property damage?
Well the property damage was only in response to the actual violence. So it’s like slapping your murderer.
So you agree they arnt morally equivalent?
Only in the most sarcastic sense.
Glad to hear it comrade
In posts on X following the incident, Tesla CEO Elon Musk called the incidents “terrorism” and said the company “just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.”
OK buddy.
The cars suck, but he’s right that the company hasn’t done anything to deserve this. He’s the one who chose to make himself the face of Tesla, though, so however people feel about him, they’ll feel about any business he owns.
Terrorism, though? Hardly. It’s protest. He’s the one doing terrorism by dismantling the government.
Terrorism, though? Hardly.
Pretty much the definition of terrorism. Doesn’t necessarily make it wrong.
That’s what was so terrifying about the Patriot Act for so long.
Rather it is vandalism, because Terrorism, its acts cause terror in the population.
nobody is terrified, except for billionaires, like crybaby musk.
Rather it is vandalism
I don’t understand what you wrote but the two are not mutually exclusive.
And yet they’re different things in this context anyways.
I didn’t say they weren’t different.
Then your pedantry was either pointless or a rhetorical attempt to derail the conversation.
Yes, but that definition also defines… basically all the most heinous things that Trump and those around him have done in the last… 5 years, lets say? … as terrorism.
Remember CPAC, 2022?
… kinda speaks for itself.
You can make that argument but you’re not arguing that burning down a Tesla dealership isn’t terrorism, you’re just making a whataboutism.
Yes, that is basically what I am doing.
Was that not clear?
I am attempting to point out the given definition of terrorism is quite broad, and easily interpreted subjectively depending on your biases.
Burn down a Tesla dealership?
Terrorism.
Boston Tea Party?
Terrorism.
Jan 6th?
Terrorism.
Bay of Pigs Invasion?
Terrorism, more technically ‘State Terrorism’.
Many, many acts of resistance groups in German occupied Europe during WW2?
Also Terrorism.
Order an extrajudicial assasination? Order or carry out mass arrests without proper warrants or authority?
Plant false evidence or fabricate some kind of ‘suspicious behavior’ to justify an arrest or detainment or use of force or conviction, motivated by a political/religious/ethic/etc bias?
Again, Terrorism, though more specifically that is ‘State Terrorism’.
Saying “I am going to kill [very important political figure]”?
Terrorism.
Pilot a ship on the sea to harass dragnet fishing boats or whalers?
Terrorism.
Any protest group that has ‘illegally’ gathered in an area or building without a permit, where a single person threw a punch or resisted arrest?
Again, also terrorism.
… All of these things either are or could easily be interpreted to be both violent and criminal acts, with either a motivation or desired effect being biased toward some specific group of people.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism
You may note that precisely defining terrorism is actually somewhat difficult, as indicated by the wide range of different definitions used by different groups and at different times, and is actually the subject of a whole lot of academic and legal debate and disagreement, with slight but very significant differences over time and place/jurisdiction.
There we go, hahah!
Then we are in agreement
Great!
I am glad you agree that by your (the FBI’s current) definition, most police in the US are terrorists, every President going back to at least JFK is a terrorist, everyone who violently resisted the Nazis were terrorists, and every single protest everywhere, ever, that has involved any single member of that protest being charged with resisting arrest has also been terrorism.
Spraypaint a traffic camera, violence.
So what I’m hearing is, if you burn Tesla because their CEO is a scum-sucking useless billionaire who is dismantling the social services that you and your family rely on (and paid for!), in order to cut taxes for the 1%, you’re a terrorist.
If you set shit on fire because you like to watch stuff burn, you’re just a plain ol’ arsonist.
If that’s what you’re hearing, you should have your ears checked. It doesn’t matter who the offending person is or what they do. It only matters what the perpetrator does.
Yes, I believe that is what I wrote.
No, what you wrote is:
If you set shit on fire because you like to watch stuff burn, you’re just a plain ol’ arsonist.
Ah, so any property destruction is terrorism, got it. Thanks for clarifying.
Violent, criminal acts
Property damage is not violence and nonviolent protests are not terrorism. They will claim it is. They are lying.
Property damage is not violence
Every definition that I can find says it is but maybe you’d like to provide one that says otherwise.
Its an Anarchist thing, you wouldn’t get it.
Super simple version?
Violence is defined by the state in such a way that it binds the actions of its subjects, but exempts the actions of itself/its agents.
Look up ‘systemic violence’ or ‘stochastic terrorism’ and you can begin to see how it becomes harder to draw very clear lines than you seem to think is.
Lets go with your definition that violence includes acts against property.
Ok… are… taxes violence?
Is it violent to threaten you with immediate arrest if found operating a car without a valid liscense?
Howabout valid insurance?
Is civil asset forfeiture violence?
Is emminent domain violence?
Howabout clearing a homeless encampment, destroying all their belongings?
Is that violent?
Is it violent to, either intentionally or unintentionally… crash the stock market and knock about 20% off of the value of 401ks of the majority of the population?
Reminder that involuntary assault and involuntary murder / manslaughter… are violent crimes.
… The most basic definition of what a State is, is “a formalized group that has the ‘legitimate’ monopoly of the use of force (violence) within a defined geographic area.”
Gonna disagree with the anarchist viewpoint because physical damage to inanimate objects can still cause PTSD, battered spouse syndrome with enough incidents over time, etc. It’s the threat of danger that matters.
Just because it doesn’t fit your ideological view doesn’t mean people are lying by looking at it differently
It’s the threat of danger that matters.
Correct! It is the threat of danger that matters. Domestic violence as you described is threatening and abusive, and therefore violent.
Is it the same thing when the property is owned by a company, not a person?
Is graffiti terrorism? It’s property damage. It can be ideologically motivated. If someone had spray painted the cars, instead of lit them on fire… would it still be terrorism?
Who was threatened here?
Yep the idea of terrorism bad is honestly kinda overly simple. Can it be bad? Sure especially if you don’t have a specific target but well the IRA, American Revolutionaries, and Zapatistas have shown that there is a good way to go about it. The term of the day is damage minimization.
Surprisingly, Star Wars is a great example of this. A rinky dink political group (rebels) blowing up a military installation (death star) is terrorism. That does not mean the action was unjustified.
Terrorism that succeeds is called revolution.
But they’re at war though, aren’t they? I suppose the Empire would still spin it that way.
It’s not terrorism if it’s war.
It’s property damage that was done specifically to avoid hurting people. By that interpretation, Banksy could also be classified as a terrorist.
Man that’s some podium level mental gymnastics.
ZACHARY, La. (BRPROUD) – The Zachary Police Department says they arrested a former student after Zachary High School was tagged with graffiti.
Police say that Shyron White was arrested at his home in Livingston Parish for drawing a triangle with a symbol in it on the exterior doors. Graffiti was found in several locations around the building, and police were alerted on Tuesday.
“It’s always important to not damage someone else’s property. It costs money and time to, you know, to actually fix,” Zachary Police Department Chief Daryl Lawrence said. “And then you’ll have people like us out looking for you.”
Lawrence said an incident like this is not common for the Zachary community. White is booked in the East Baton Rouge Parish Prison, charged with terrorism, criminal damage to property, aggravated assault and criminal trespassing.
This is the Orwellian shit you’re advocating when you start classifying vandalism as terrorism.
Imagine having to resort to violence against a private company just because you lost an election LMAO 🤣
You guys do realize that by promoting this, you are doing JD Vance’s campaign for him, right?
The stunlock continues at pace.
If the major stakeholder and CEO is actively being an unelected politician addressing policy changes onto the public, then repercussions need to happen.
It would not be wise to show people that they can achieve plutocracy. Plutocrats only lose their power by losing their wealth, so if that’s what has to happen, then that is the plan.
I’m not from the US, but I straight out recommend quickly educating oneself about military stuff at this point - about fiber guided drones (here in Eastern Europe we like them) and remote weapons stations (we like those too). Because the US is heading somewhere at a rapid pace. Let’s hope it won’t get there (the simplest and most civil obstacle would be lots of court cases and Trumpists losing midterm elections), but if it does, then strongly worded letters will not suffice.
Trump’s administration:
“Agency,” unless otherwise indicated, means any authority of the United States that is an “agency” under 44 U.S.C. 3502(1), and shall also include the Federal Election Commission.
Vance, in his old interviews:
“I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
Also Vance:
“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
Googling “how to remove a dictator?” when you already have one is doing it too late. On the day the self-admitted wannabe Caesar crosses his Rubicon, it better be so that some people already know what to aim at him.
Tesla dealerships… nah. I would not advise spending energy on them. But people, being only people, get emotional and do that kind of things.
And to go and take it out on people who aren’t involved, just because they own a vehicle. Childish brats.
