Glad I could help.
The thing is, though, that command line instructions work on most flavours of whatever distro you have running. If you have an xfce problem it’s fair game to tell you where to click, but if your issue is not related to your desktop environment, giving a solution that works on most, if not all, systems that may have the same issue, is actually a good idea. No?
And many folks have headless setups — raspberry pis, home servers, VPSs, etc. It’s kinda overkill to install a desktop environment on a headless box if the only reason you need it is so you can VNC into it for a simple task that could be done over ssh.
Yes! Command line instructions are often universal instructions. This is imho a huge boon for Linux.
I use xfce and i like it so far, though it would be good if i could increase the minimize/maximize/tray toolbar’s size
*Advice
No wonder OP is afraid of the terminal, you can’t misspell left-click.
I’m dyslexic and the terminal can be a challenge some days
Now that’s a better reason for looking for a GUI solution than the OP had. I hadn’t really considered how dyslexia would affect CLI usage.
It’s not a universal effect. Some dyslexics or people with related challenges like dysgraphia will find the CLI easier.
That’s interesting. I’ve often wondered what it must be like programing or using the CLI if you aren’t familiar with the English language, but I hadn’t considered the dyslexia/graphia type issues.
Just to give you some extra impressions:
My brain mixes up all letters with the same/similar form (regardless of rotation or flip) - so I often mix up [d, b, p, q] or [a, e] or [u, n] when typing. And then I read the command 20 times over until I find which letter got mixed up, because my brain autocorrects to the right command when reading.
It helped to use the Dyslexie font in the terminal, because it makes those shapes more unique distinct. (not to be confused with open dyslexic which did not help me at all).
Also asking an AI to correct the command is huge, but takes time.
But man GUI has none of the hassle, it says what the button will do when you click it, so you click it and it does that. How wonderful is that, ay?
I just have really bad memory from a combo of ADHD and weed. Remembering where in the GUI to fix something is a lot easier than remembering commands. Especially when if I fuck up said command I could make the problem worse or make a whole new problem. GUI gives me visual landmarks that stick in my memory, and thats something the terminal doesn’t. Like navigating a city via landmarks vs via street signs. Tell me directions via streets I am lost, but tell me to go left after the walgreens on the river and now I know.
The ADHD aspect of computer related stuff is something I wish more people understood, Linux and beyond. I have about 45 seconds before I get distracted, that’s if I’m lucky and my phone doesn’t go off or a neighbors dog starts barking or I hear strong wind and decide to check the weather or I suddenly remember I need to mop the floor of my bathroom and a near infinite set of other possibilities. If I need to spend 15 minutes reading man pages about what arguments actually do or searching online for it and getting a short list of links dating anywhere from 2 to 20 years ago or a forum post with a dozen pages of comments then I… I… shit. What was I doing?
Me too. Just use tab and complete commands that way. Fish or zsh with oh-my-zsh is your friend.
What are these “solutions” you speak of? All help forum posts must follow this format:
“I want to do x.”
“Why would you want to do x? Don’t do x.”.
I want to shoot myself in the foot
Why would you want to do that? Don’t do that?
Why are people so rude to me? I asked a question and they won’t answer it. The Linux community sucks
Yeah it sucks.
If I wanna shoot myself, let me shoot myself. Maybe I’m into that. Who are you to judge whats good for me?
Why would you want to shoot yourself? Don’t do x.
If you so desperately want to shoot yourself in the foot, put some effort into it and figure it out instead of asking strangers on the internet for free advice because you’re lazy. Not everyone is into enabling people mutilating their bodies.
I want to make a sandwitch and I know I can do this by shooting myself in the foot, no i don’t care this is bad practice just tell me how to make it work.
doesn’t tell them how to make it work, does not give enough instructions to make it work the “right” way
installs windows again
The Linux Community does suck…
Closed as Duplicate.(the post pointed to as the original is a post from 2013 deleted in 2018)
I have no idea what this mean is even trying to say, but as someone who is trying to make the switch to Linux, it is a steep learning curve, even for the most “user-friendly” distros.
A lot of the information in forums assumes some sort of basic knowledge of code and processes which aren’t readily available. I’ve asked a few noob questions and while there are some helpful people out there, there are also a fuck load of assholes who seem to think they walked out the womb speaking Ubuntu.
So my message to those people is, if you’re not gonna be helpful, kindly keep your snide comments to yourself.
Yeah, I can confirm this. I’ve been using Linux for around two years at this point and having a Linux-using friend made the transition at the start way easier. Now I’m the Linux-using friend for all of my Linux-curious friends and it’s great.
If you’re getting coding advice, you might be on the wrong forums, which can explain the snark.
You don’t need to do code to use Linux. You can use Bash if you want, but it’s not a necessityToo many people expect you to know and understand gnu-utils and all the common config file, filesystem and folder structure paradigms though. Which is the problem.
The problem is that Linux nerds, myself included, are too deep in the knowledge to even think of sth. You might not know. And my way to learn the basics of Linux was breaking 3 installations and running random scripts from stack overflow without really knowing what they do.
I don’t want this the way for new people to learn Linux. There must be a better way. But I don’t know which one. People who think you can’t ask questions because your basics are missing should shut the fuck up and go to 4chan or so.
You can use Bash if you want, but it’s not a necessity
I would argue and say at minimum you should be comfortable with Bash and the file system , otherwise if you spend a year running Linux and encounter some obscure error you’ll be totally clueless troubleshooting wise and might end up breaking something else.
“why don’t you just”
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Copypasting a term command vs. 20 pages of “click here, now click there”. Which is more efficient?
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own. Once you can use a mouse or touchpad, you can navigate the UI. Good UI/UX conveys function. Checkboxes insert the correct configuration in the background without possibly hazardous typos.
The CLI does nothing of this for the user, to understand it users have to invest tens, if not hundreds of hours before they get a hang of all essential commands, paradigms and tools to help themselves. They have to become IT intermediates just to use their computers.
By providing a single CLI command (which, in the worst case, gets copied by a third user on an incompatible system configuration breaking everything) instead of pointing at the GUI tools most user-friendly distros already provide you do, in many cases, a disservice to the average user who just wants their problem to be fixed. They will not be able to help themselves next time for a similar issue.
Back in the day, I learned how to network winxp machines together, without a router, and without being able access the internet to find instructions, all because everything I needed to know about any given setting was in the gui where I could manipulate that setting. I had lan parties featuring dozens of pcs, all manually configured. Was this the correct way to do things? Fuck no, but it worked. I was able to make it work because I could see everything I needed to as I was doing it.
None of the above would have been possible if CLI was the only option.
Definitely the command. CLI commands are simple and portable. Asking the user what DE they are using for an extra round trip and then making a description of the pointy-clicky-ceremony has way to much friction.
Why does it have to be one or the other?
I, as someone who spends so much time in the terminal that I literally have a dedicated key to open it, would prefer a single CLI command. My grandma, who thinks the monitor is the entire computer, would do better with the “inefficient” GUI option
There can be more than one correct way to do something
“easier solutions”
No: pet solutions. Don’t let false consensus dictate the wrong labels.
pet solutions
I’ve never heard this term before. My searches online aren’t bringing up anything useful, it’s all stuff about literal pets. I can’t seem to wrap my mind around what it could mean or the right thing to search to find the answer. Could someone explain please?
It’s an expression coined by Corsican Guppy in the mid 2020s, referring to a solution to a Linux/Unix problem that uses a Graphic User Interface, as opposed to one using the command line.
That sounds awfully derogative towards the average user.
I think it’s just a Name for some specific containers on Linux.
Im confident OP is using it wrong. Well, as confident as one can be that had heard the word the first time today.
I’m confused by this comment
A lot of things are easier to do even for experts with gui, as you might need to type 30 lines for what you could do in 1-2 clicks
If a GUI can be built which accomplished something in 1-2 clicks, then there’s very likely a CLI which can do the same with 1-2 commands, as CLIs are easier to implement than GUIs…
In the 15 years of me using Linux as my main system both for work and for fun, I have never experienced this situation. Never. I seriously don’t know what you guys doing that not only requires you to type 30 lines of commands - insane amount of commands, you can setup a complicated server from scratch with this amount if commands - that can also be accomplished with two clicks.
Give me at least couple of examples, I’m very curiousI don’t know if this applies but I did the switch to Linux a coupls weeks ago (To Linux Mint, because beginner friendly).
I’m curious with tech stuff but I’m not tech savvy in any way shape or form.
Thing is, the in way to connect to my Google drive sucked hard. On windows I would install the program and be able to access it like any drive. On Mint there is a GUI way to connect to your Google account, but it is so slow that it took a PDF solid 2 minutes to load each page. So no way to work with that.
So I needed a solution, which I found by installing rclone and setting it up.
That was a stupid amount of work and command lines I realy did not understand at all (this was my time using the console).
Sometimes it’s easier to assemble what you need from parts than go adding/removing stuff from somewhat monolithic solutions, tho.
Most people just want a thing to work though. One member of my family has issues with her iPhone at the moment where the signal is just all over the place. Sometimes not able to receive calls, sometimes not able to make them, sometimes inaudible when the call is made. She’s googled and gone to apple tech support who have given her a list of basic troubleshooting tasks to do, stuff like checking settings. She said to me “I don’t want to go hunting for these things I just want to hand it to someone and they can make it work!”
Linux and computer enthusiasts are happy to assemble things as we need them because the problem solving stuff is satisfying to us, for other people it’s just a slog.
the problem solving stuff is satisfying to us
Yeah, that stopped being a factor decades ago. I now hate it just as much as any iPhone user. There are reasons beyond “I like how it makes my brain feel”.
Here is some :- :() :;: Please don’t try this at home.
I suppose I can try this at root.
Do it
It shouldn’t do anything on a properly configured system (so most systems are screwed)
I don’t understand this post. OP mad the free support not up to their standards?
Since the standard is: “Don’t be assholes” I think thats quite allright :-)
Is this a wonderwall reference?
I said maybe (I said maybe) Terminal gonna be the one that saves me (That saves me)
And after aaaaaall you’re my terminaaaaaaal
