• @spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Yeah… Call me in 4 years when they vote republican again because it’s not trump on the ballot and something something evil Democrats. I’d bet the same people saying this in 2025 were saying something similar when trump caused the COVID crash by doing fuck all to prevent the spread.

  • @HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee
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    151 hour ago

    I really want to believe this.

    But we have watched Donald Trump do so much stupid, evil shit in real time and we still ended up here.

    There is only a small minority of people voted for Trump because of prices. They did it because they hate that the world is not constructed for them to be on top. They hate that there are three transgender high school athletes in the state. They hate that Harriet Tubman is on the twenty dollar bill. They hate that the Brown MnM is less sexy. They hate that they couldn’t get a date in high school. I do not trust self-interest will prevail over blind, stupid hate after we have witnessed it not for so long.

    If seeing people deported to extraterritorial prisons without due process, the only evidence of their crime being Donald Trump says so, is not enough to get these people on side, but their retirement portfolio getting fucked with is, I have no faith in them.

    • @Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
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      What you’re missing is that the majority of his supporters don’t even know about the bad things because their news bubble hides it from them or they don’t care because it doesn’t affect them directly.

    • @Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works
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      Bunch of people around here are out-right admitting they didn’t really pay any attention to what anyone running was saying. They heard trump say he would bring down prices/kick out immigrants/guns/no abortion/whatever single issue, and just checked the box. The manufacturing workers here are especially loud about how they feel deceived because they didn’t listen to anything he actually said, or just didn’t know what tariffs are, like at all.

      Will any of them vote otherwise next time? I guess we will see. Bunch of them are honestly holding to the “short term pain, long term greatness” cope.

  • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    373 hours ago

    Didn’t Trump tank the economy in 2019 with his fumbling of the COVID crisis? Didn’t everyone’s 401ks and private portfolios get tanked, leading to trillions in bailouts and a seismic shift in the composition of the labor market thanks to the 1.1M Americans killed by the epidemic? Didn’t we already have a Congo Line of Republicans insisting they’d never vote for Trump again? Didn’t we have billionaire CEOs lining up to condemn him? Kicking him off social media? Refusing to hire his administration’s staffers? Divorcing themselves from his businesses and denying the RNC money on his behalf?

    I seem to remember something about this from back in 2020. Democrats winning in a landslide that was (numerically) larger (but delegate-wise smaller thanks to decades of unchecked gerrymandering/voter caging) than the historic 2008 landslide for Obama. Everyone coming into office on a mandate to Never Let This Happen Again. People chanting “Lock Him Up!” from left, right, and center. MAGA in full retreat. Fascism defeated. Honor and Integrity Restored To The White House.

    Was that just me? Did anyone else remember something like that happening?

    Now these same assholes are back whining about their 401ks getting chewed up and spat out again? Come the fuck on. I don’t believe you. You’re going to vote Republican the moment FOX News tells you how Woke the other side of the ballot is.

    • You’re not crazy. We’ve been witnessing a collective psychological phenomena as you’ve described. I’m sure psychology field has enough papers to write for more than a lifetime. People a century from now will be dissecting this period of history.

    • I remember him acting slowly on Covid because “he didn’t want to spook the stock market”, and then it tanked anyway because of his willful and criminal negligence in regards to Covid.

      • @Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
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        And then he knee jerked in the opposite direction and shut down everything everywhere instead of targeting where it was needed or just doing what epidemiologists had been suggesting from the beginning and concentrating on masks, testing, contact tracing, and quarantining. All of which caused a supply crunch and fed into inflation.

    • @Sconrad122@lemmy.world
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      You have it all right except that Covid 19 happened in 2020 (at least outside of China and maybe a few early cruise ship cases?), not 2019

      • @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
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        Correct it was mostly limited to China until early 2020 when the first cases started appearing outside of China but were quickly contained…until they weren’t

  • @Linkalee@sh.itjust.works
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    253 minutes ago

    Question is, will they remember that they said this when the elections happen four years from now? Will they remember this for next year’s elections even? Trump supporters tend to have very short memories, in my experience.

  • Lem Jukes
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    But also, fuck these people. Didn’t matter that innocent citizens with no charges are getting back bagged and tossed in cells. Didn’t matter families were getting ripped apart and deported. Didn’t matter that the bigotry against trans people has ramped up to being codified in confessional fucking rules levels. No it took an economic nightmare scenario personally affecting the livelihoods of these people for them to wake up AT ALL. Like fine, welcome to the fucking real world. You’re still a piece of shit in my eyes now start making better fucking choices, moron.

    • SharkAttak
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      That’s what makes it even more awful. They’re so selfish.

  • Sunshine (she/her)
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    63 hours ago

    I hope this person and trans supportive conservatives start opposing slimy republican politicians.

  • @madcaesar@lemmy.world
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    On one hand I’m happy he’s changed his opinion… On another how the fuck do you have two functioning brain cells and vote for this shit stain to begin with… 😡

  • Just insane this is happening.

    Um, this was a campaign promise. He promised to raise tariffs, and the natural reaction of the market to new tariffs is to drop. This isn’t surprising, this is expected, and Trump said as much.

    If you didn’t want that, you shouldn’t have elected Trump. Simple as. I didn’t want that, so I didn’t vote for Trump. Simple as.

    • The Giant Korean
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      345 hours ago

      The knuckleheads all thought that the other countries would be paying the tariffs because they didn’t understand how tariffs work.

        • You don’t even need to get into economic theory, just tell them it’s a hidden sales tax, and that’s all they’ll need to know. Tariffs are pretty simple:

          1. product gets taxed when it comes into our country
          2. companies increase the price of goods to pay the tax
          3. products are more expensive for customers, because of that tax

          They won’t see the tax when they buy stuff, but it’s still there, and it’s largely the same as if the fed government levied a nationwide sales tax, but it only applies to imports. Most US-made stuff relies on imported materials, so it even impacts them.

          • @Sconrad122@lemmy.world
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            The Harris campaign literally did this, I want to say in a sideswipe during the debate. And Trump said nuh-uh, it’s not a tax, and the campaign more or less shut up about it, wasn’t a core feature of their advertising, stump speech, or debate strategy going forward, they opted for “save our institutions” and “he’s going to raise the ever nebulous cost of living” (which got lost in the Biden is responsible for bird flu egg prices noise from the other side). Can you imagine betting it all on courting Republican voters, and being so easily talked off of the “he’s going to tax you more” hill? I know hindsight is 20/20, but that’s some frustrating shit to think about

            • Rentlar
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              “Tariffs are a Trump tax” was a core message of the Harris campaign… (Trump really was planning to tariff the entire world 10% since last August!) The last months of the campaign befoee election day are a blur to me, but did Harris really drop that line after the debate? I really doubt it.

        • The Giant Korean
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          A few did. Many still don’t understand, and some are doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to make it sound like it’s Biden’s fault somehow.

    • @Admax@lemmy.world
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      I find this baffeling. Multiple people, on different topics did disagree with his campaigns promises, and voted for him against their best interest. (Farmers for exemple) Their justification ? “He won’t do it”. Are you telling me you are voting for someone who promises to do things, in the hope that he does all the other things but the one that would negatively impact you ? REALLY ?!

      • But you see, America is the Greatest Country in the World™, and therefore anyone they elect as President can’t be that bad. It doesn’t matter if he repeatedly states how he absolutely will be that bad, he won’t actually do the things he says he’ll do because those things Can’t Happen Here.

      • @SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
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        Couple of days ago there was a news item here in the Netherlands about a Dutch tulip grower. And his dad was wearing a MAGA hat. And this old man was saying that Trump was doing the right thing even though his business is negatively affected by Trump’s tariffs. Seriously, conservatives all have brain worms or something. Or they hate everyone else so much that they would gladly suffer to see other people get hurt.

      • I always assume politicians won’t keep the promises I like and will keep the promises I don’t. Generally speaking, I’ve been pretty right about that.

        That said, Trump did these tariffs in his last term, so I don’t understand why anyone would think he wouldn’t do it again.

    • @spacesatan@leminal.space
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      Even if you expected some tariffs the degree and arbitrariness have exceeded almost every expectation. Charitably you could have assumed he meant he would implement tariffs in a way that makes some kind of sense, you know, warning well in advance so businesses can actually plan for them.

      It’s kind of amazing the market hasn’t dropped even more now that the administration has revealed that it has no guard rails guiding Trump’s dementia fueled decisions and that he doesn’t give a fuck about wall street at all.

      • Ech
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        Anyone charitably assuming anything of him is either a complete fool or complicit. This is exactly what they voted for, whether they admit it or not.

      • Yeah, Trump is a real estate guy, and I expect he has a relatively small allocation to stocks in his portfolio. So he probably doesn’t care all that much about Wall Street.

        That said, he did give several warnings. He campaigned on a platform of across the board tariffs (I think he even mentioned his 10% figure), he tried doing tariffs at the start and backed off, and now he’s committing to them. So that’s several months of warning, not necessarily for the actual numbers, but for the general direction.

        It absolutely is alarming though. But that’s kind of Trump’s MO, he holds his cards close, and is usually bluffing, but sometimes he actually takes action.