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Dont love the AI slop but appreciate the message
It does seem a little odd to include the USA twice and not to include China or the USSR once. They could have even included Dutch slavers putting Africans on a boat.
Dont love the AI
Are the taking Lemmy as revenue away from artists? Are they selling this commercially? Should they have commissioned a perfessional artist for your free meme?
Something about trying to appeal to human emotions with robot creations doesn’t sit right sith me.
So I guess you’re opposed to CGI in movies as well, or any comic that isn’t hand drawn and scanned?
Shit, that’s using a scanner… Hand drawn and a picture taken… Nope. That doesn’t work either. Printed in a… Fuck.
I guess you only approve of comics hand drawn by people that show you the original in person?
Why are you making such a strawman? Using an AI model to completely generate a picture is obviously not the same as using the tools you mention here.
In regards to “using a robot creation to appeal to human emotions” it is. I highly doubt the prompt was “created a comic that appeals to human emotions”. Someone had a specific idea and told the AI specifically what to make, the AI did not “decide” what would appeal to human emotions.
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The AI hate train in action
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No, I just think it looks like shit
There’s an XKCD for that
The message: 👍
The AI generated slop: 🫤
I could’ve made this art.
Do it.
Shocking truth:
Humans can make all art made by AI.
Humans can make all calculations made by computers.
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
Incidentally, for all of the “this is AI” brigade, what are you picking up on? I’m not picking up on any of the classic tells. Aside from the closed fists in the first and last image, where I’d personally go for an open hand, I don’t see anything obviously amiss.
Dude pulling on native american person’s braid, mother and daughter look too similar, mom’s hand is messed up, SS logos are messed up
There’s a wave of AI generated comics hitting lemmy right now. At first i was in the same boat as you, found it difficult to identify
Now after seeing more and more, my brain’s detection algorithms are updating.
I’m quite good at seeing obvious AI slop images, but comics was a totallly new thing i had to learn to detect
Ah, thanks for that!
I was genuinely interested because I used to lecture when the GANs first started appearing. Ironically enough, I used to point out to the students how you could tell photos were generated (mismatching ears shapes, asymmetrical glasses, oddly shaped jewellery etc.).
Seems like I need more exposure to the comic art side of things!
If you’re interested in seeing how good it’s gotten now, some are impressive https://sora.com/explore/images
What ever you do, don’t look at the Native American’s eyes. 🥴
😳😬
Hands, faces, eyes, insignias. The usual shit.
The eyes, mostly. The braid thing is weird, too.
Yea, I don’t mind AI for personal use stuff like this. But AI in commercial stuff is a big no go.
To me, it is not even the commercial stuff that matters. AI-generated image should never be in public domain because it is all stolen from others, piece by piece. The copyright is a big question mark.
I agree with this entirely. I personally use AI to help me do things that I don’t have the time to do “the old fashioned way”.
I can draw, paint, sing, sculpt, etc, and I enjoy doing all these things very much. But I don’t have time any more - I have a full-time job, two kids taking up most of my time, and Long COVID means I’m asleep for almost all of what would be left over.
I’ve used AI to help me bring 2d art, music and 3d models into this world that would otherwise be trapped in my head.
Humans can make all art made by AI.
They didn’t say “A human could make this”, they said “I could make this.”
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
This counters another argument that wasn’t made. Sure, the end product has some value, but also comes with the negatives that some people see as intrinsic in the use of AI.
what are you picking up on?
but you didn’t.
What’s your point?
You know when you repost someone else’s work, you should at least say who made it, right?
AI-generated artwork has thousands if not millions artists’ names attached to it.
I don’t understand. I mean, you’re right, of course. But, who are you answering? What are you answering?
AI generated?
Yep, all the faces are disjointed from each other and seem generated separately. No soul at all
can we please keep this AI shit out of here
Don’t get upset about AI. It was just following orders.
Seriously, I’m here to look at artists’ work, not computer generated slop
Did AI make this? It looks like it
It was just following orders.
KOLANAKI
Why is that man pulling her braid lol
I don’t want to assume their gender but that’s a man, baby!
Must’ve trained the AI on Wheel of Time.
…he’s just following orders
Nah dw the mom just has epidermodysplasia verruciformis
I think this community needs to have a conversation about whether we keep allowing AI comics.
It’s a no for me but I’m willing to vote.
There’s a vote under every post. Feel free.
Nice “gotcha”. But you know what I meant. We should discuss adding it as a sub rule - so we can report it for AI as they come.
fuck your sub rules. this ain’t reddit and i’m out once it becomes that way.
As is your right. If the community agrees to make a change, and you don’t like that change, you’re welcome to leave the community. Congrats on having free will!
When I’ve got 10,000 AI generated candidates on my ballot and its my job to pick out the half dozen real submissions, it feels like there’s a structural problem with the election’s process.
So you want to make someone else do it for you?
I don’t see a shortage of eager self-motivated artists. What I see is a social media space crowding them out with slop.
I would vote “no” as well, but I imagine they’re here to stay.
Why are there way more AI comic posts than usual lately?
Because sometimes people have an idea for a relevant comic, but not the artistic ability to draw it. So, they use AI tools to create the artwork.
Damn, you’re right, artistic talent is totally required to make webcomics.
I apologise for my glib response. I don’t doubt your sincerity. Things may change in the future. It’s just that in this particular historical moment AI has as much to do with democratising talent as nfts did with supporting solo artists/creators.
I am sorry. This combination is no longer allowed. Internet gatekeepers have spoken.
edit: obligatory /s?
???
Regardless of my personal dislike towards AI, which I didn’t even express, I was just making an observation.
I think they were sarcastically replying to you. Pretending to be someone who actually has that opinion.
My comment is a little higher in the chain, they didn’t reply to me
Ah. Then I can understand your reply a little more. Still, you can consider their reply directed at everybody else in the thread bemoaning AI.
AI shitposting is effortless.
Just following orders…
the funny thing is that that’s the icon for adobe illustrator.
inkscape ftw
Lol I had no idea. Works both ways tbh
This is why I custom order all my memes direct from people on Fiverr
AI-generated. Thanks for training my neural network (brain) to identify more AI-generated images (slop).
What tipped ya off the weird faces or the woman with her child clone?
All the comics from the new GPT have the same style, you don’t even need to pixel peep. They just all have the same art style.
Yeah, and they often have the issue of people looking in kind of random directions that don’t make sense.
The font (a little bit weird-looking) and the texturing of the image (way too overdone). From that, I noticed the comic lacked a signature or watermark from a comic author, then I noticed that the characters are all just gazing into the distance.
Extra finger as well.Damn this one was good though, would’ve missed it if I hadn’t checked the comments and taken a closer look.Edit: I can’t count apparently. If anything there are missing fingers.
Where is the extra finger? I swear I can’t find it. A disappearing pinky
I feel like most artists would make the daughter similar to their mother. I don’t see how that’s weird.
The characters all have different and “accurate” reactions
Sherif is stern.
SS is annoyed.
ICE shows some compassion
Native American is noble
Jew is startled
“Illegal Aliens” are scared
There are a lot of details in everything.
If it wasn’t for the comments I wouldn’t think it is AI, but I do feel like people bandwagon on it. Top comment says AI, and everyone is going to say AI.
Aww shit, I just can’t count fingers. Maybe I’m the real AI. Yeah I’m still not sure that this is AI. I hate that we have to have this discussion.
Indian guy on the left has one less finger on his left hand. Nazi in the middle lacks a finger, indan man’s right eye is a typical AI distortion, so are the eyes on the children in the last picture. The ear details on all characters are inconsistent and are either drawing in different styles or turns into AI-nonsense as in the case of the kids’ ears. There are tangent with the Jewish face and the buttons on the nazi’s uniform as well as tangents between the woman’s hair and the ICE-man’s uniform that are typical for AI-nonsense. The SS logo on the nazi’s uniform is AI-nonsense, as well as the emblem’s on his cap. It is supposed to be an eagle and a skull on his cap, but the skull is nonsense and the “eagle” has no head. An artist wouldn’t make that mistake.
Many of the mistakes in this comic are mistakes that you can only make if you have no understanding of what you are drawing. AI doesn’t understand that human hands have 5 fingers nor that eyes tend to have eyeballs on them. An artist doesn’t tend to change ear details on characters unless it is a deliberate design choice, which it clearly isn’t here as all characters are designed within the same style.
I know this because I am an artist. When I look at drawings other people made I can see the thought and design that went into them because as artists we have to understand what we see to draw it correctly. Someone at this level of skill would not make these careless and stupid mistakes.
First hint was the weird fist in the first panel. Why would you clench your hand in front of someone’s arm if you’re trying to restrain them? It almost looks like he’s holding the guy by the hair.
The good news for (most of) the pieces of shit from the 1830s and 1940s is that there wasn’t a tool for us to use to name and shame.
However for this generation of fascist scum there is now the internet. And it should be used to track down and tackle the ICE scumbags. Fuck them.Edit: Reee, AI, blah blah because, yes, that’s the most horrible thing about this post. Definitely not the kidnapping and fascism. Fuck sake.
you are on track with the right kind of thinking and the children are too busy whining about the AI. fuck the AI haters. let them say it to my face. we have bigger fish to fry. anybody that wants to get distracted like that is a liability and should be treated as such.
The sentiment of the post is right, but AI is shit and we can adress smaller shit while also focussing on big shit :)
There, said it to your internet face
so brave
Interesting moral dilemma: is ai use acceptable if it’s to spread a message like this?
Is it acceptable? Honestly I don’t know, it’s tricky.
It is not as if the picture is of real people that have been manipulated. Which is unacceptable . So, for me, it’s down to if the op couldn’t get their message across without it because, again for me, the message is far more important (at the moment).
And AI being shoved in to everything and up everyone’s arses is a problem for another day.What I do know is that I posted my comment then read other comments and that most of the replies that mentioned AI were just mentioning AI. Some mentioned AI and the general message of the post. Some mentioned the message, but the majority and their replies were just about the AI.
Which, to me, means that OP’s message seems to be less important.
If op could draw themselves I don’t think they would have used AI.A quick “fuck AI” then acknowledgement about the general meaning of the post is far more important, and on topic, than just mentioning AI.
The general message of this post has been steam rollered by other things, and it really shouldn’t be like that.Smothering the human cartoonists and content creators in an avalanche of AI slop today guarantees you won’t have them tomorrow, when the AI tools are rigged to censor and pervert efforts at creating this kind of content in the future.
Then why doesn’t a human cartoonist redraw them?
Fuck sake.
Dude. Nobody got kidnapped or fascisted over this post. But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred. Yes, it’s perfectly appropriate for people to care about that, and some people, believe it or fucking not, can hold two things in their heart at the same time. If I can make you ignore whatever I’m actually doing just by referencing Mussolini, I have a superpower over you. And maybe people do.
Also, fuck your low key ableism. Let “reee” die.
But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred.
Ya, a real artist could have gotten paid for this post!
… No? Get their cut off that sweet sweet Lemmy ad revenue?
I’m confused, in what way was an artist harmed by this? The artist that didn’t make this is missing out on their Internet points?
You should cry more.
Devastating. I may never recover from that. Let’s cry together.
I approve the message! The images are just reinforcement so I don’t really care if it’s AI. Not everyone can draw.
And what about the theft and abuse of creators that was required to create the AI in the first place? If we’re just going to steal shit, we don’t even need the AI, we can just steal shit from each other.
Well, this image isn’t being used commercially so no one is making money off of it. I think that seems like a fair use of AI. Similar to how people make memes with images they stole from the Internet
Human artists train using other artists work. Every avenue of human endeavour is based on what came before.
My own default style shares similarities with Barbara Canepa and Rumiko Takahashi. Why? Because, as a teen, I used to copy their stuff, trying to “unlock” the parts of it that I like.
If I was to directly copy an image, and say it was my own, then that crosses over into stealing. But that’s not what has happened here. And unless you get very specific with the prompts, it’s not likely to happen.
Okay, but did you literally illegally download the material in the first place? Did you violate licenses that you obtained the material under? Do you intentionally imitate specific artists so that casual observers can’t tell the difference and then fill the entire space with more shitty art using that style than any human artist could ever product, such that the original artist who developed it no longer has control over that style and has their future income devastated?
It’s not the same thing and you’d have to be willfully ignorant by this point to think that it is. All the major LLMs are “fruit of the poisonous tree.” They were trained using stolen data that they were not entitled to use for those purposes. The artists SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID for their work training the AI.
What if I told you that I trained my brain on copyrighted materials that I pirated from the Internet? I make games and I have for sure downloaded games I didn’t pay for and played them. I know I have used some of the mechanics from those games on my own. Am I a bad person?
What if I told you that you’re not software? What an absurd comparison.
I would download a car. Sorry bro.
I don’t agree with your take, sorry.
To say that an artist should have exclusive control over a style is dangerous.
Every time there is a big upheaval in an industry, it affects people’s jobs in that sector. Henry Ford’s investments in automation, put a lot of small car manufacturers in a tricky position. It also led to cars being affordable for most American households.
I’m not unsympathetic, in fact I’m more than a little aware that AI will be taking over my sector, the software development jobs, within a couple of years (and unlike art, I can’t see any market for “hand-crafted” code!).
But, the genie can’t be put back in the bottle. There’s no possible positive that comes from “calling out” AI art whenever you see it. It doesn’t help artists - if anything we’ve seen artists having to go out of their way proving their work isn’t AI.
I think it’ll be mainly using the AI to make the code, and then manually debugging it for a long while.
nobody fucking cares. find a different thread to bitch about your made up problem. GO AWAY.
You can’t make me.
i can. it would just take some work.
Don’t we all reuse the same meme formats anyway? I don’t understand this argument.
just STFU dude. nobody cares
Lads here me out on this it might sound a bit harsh but I’m starting to think them fasists are cunts
One of the few good things about WW2 is a lot of fascists died.
It’s an inherent problem of the human condition, for some reason our own moral compass becomes dysfunctional once the authority and therefore responsibility is with someone else. It’s the reason the Stanford Prison Experiment went so wrong once the professor took influence; we’re not inherently evil, we (as a species) are just drawn to the current ruleset as dictated by our social group or idol of choice, especially if we get convinced it’s somehow necessary.
Obviously not trying to abolish any guilt here, people are still responsible for what they’re doing.
In the end we need way higher quality of education globally, better social security, rethink society (don’t have children be on their own and make parents constantly burned out, god damn it) as well as political systems so they are designed to prevent any definition of an in- and out-group. Protections for who, what, where and how people are are great, and stuff like Germany’s Article 1 is a good start, but it needs to go way further.
We need to design an environment that allows us humans to become more than we currently are if we ever want to get out of this cycle.
Not to burst your bubble but
Stanford Prison Experiment
was a total hoax:
It confirms claims Zimbardo pushed participants towards the results he wanted, something he has disputed.
That’s actually what I referred to, although I indeed didn’t know know about the other statements by participants. Only knew about someone in Stanford digging through the files and realizing Zimbardo fucked everything up by pushing towards a certain outcome. Mmh…
I still stand with my statements about what we should do better though.
I’m with you on that. Most people all to thankfully give up their responsibility and do what they are told. The less they see the outcome of their actions the better (drone Pilots for example).
Anyway, i think the stanford prision experiment is a bad example for that though, because it also incorprates peer pressure and concludes that nobody will think twice doing harm to others, as long as they are told to do so by authority. Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know. It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better.
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better
“Everyone is an asshole, so it’s okay for me to be an asshole too”?!
You do you! I strongly believe most people don’t enjoy seeing other people suffering. I’m no saint either but I try my best. I think that’s a way better starting point than your take.
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
I thought we were talking about societal concepts? Those would literally change everything given it’s about the shape of our very environment, it’s okay if you don’t want to engage in such a discussion though.
Sorry mate, english is not my first language. I just wrote a response anyway but lemmy bugged when i tried to post it. :(
I think everyone can act like a monster if he thinks the other person deserves it. unfortunately all the negativity in the media and from influential people enforces this worldview.
I try to abstain from and to not discuss shit like that. Life is too short to be angry about things i can’t change. What i can do is act as good as i can in my personal life and that’s about it.
Have a nice day and don’t let the negativity get the best of you
Stanford Prison Experiment
Why mention that aborted, flawed experiment that’s difficult to replicate when experiments have been concluded & replicated with consistent results? Pop culture buzz?
Meta-analyses of the Milgram experiments found that despite expressing discomfort or needing reassurance or hearing the screams of “shock recipients”, 61% of subjects would yield to an authority’s commands to administer shocks they understand are lethal. All participants would administer shocks until the recipient becomes unresponsive. Subjects who refused to administer fatal shocks wouldn’t insist on terminating the experiment or leave to check on the victim.
It seems pretty clear from findings like this that people are probably ill-equipped & overconfident about their ability to defy authority & most will perform atrocities they disagree with (ie, “just follow orders”). Unless they’ve been tested themselves, I think people need to drop the presumption that they wouldn’t do what science has consistently demonstrated people when tried do. This, by the way, all supports what you’re saying.
Saw this on a thread a while back:
The funny and sad thing is I think the original panel was showing American imperialism against historical Nazi facism (soldier attire), so it was very easily repurposed for the next ethnostate of Israel with the Nazi flag being redundant against the very obvious German soldier.
