I’ve seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.
Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.
Sure he was attacked in the same way you attack a burglar. He shouldve been hanged for waving that fucken rifle around outside of his hometown let alone in a different state. But such mistakes can always be corrected.
oh ffs. you are clearly unaware of how laws work in the particular states where this occurred, and are trying to staple vaguely European or Canadian laws on to the situation, mostly which are considered pretty fascist by those under them.
I am simply stating that the locals of the town should’ve hanged him, this aint a legal argument on my part. I am but a simple Californian stating that I think Kyle Rittenhouse deserves death, my morality rarely aligns to law.
For one I claimed no such thing, the locales shouldve linched him. Secondly I am better than him, mostly for the simple fact that I aint so stupid as to cross state borders and poke my nose into other folks business. And thirdly I aint such a weakling to need a gun to feel strong.
The court was wrong. Anyone not blinded by ideology can see Rittenhouse crossed state lines to go cause trouble with a gun. His fig leaf of a cover blew apart and conservatives pretended it still applied.
Furthermore despite conservative judges protecting attackers this must be a tenet of self defense, otherwise there is no longer any way to convict someone of murder, except the arbitrary denial of self defense as an argument to defendants.
Nothing that happened after he grabbed a gun and went to the protest matters. If he hadn’t gone there with the intent of using his gun none of this would have happened. He is the instigating force and cannot claim self defense.
Carrying a gun is “premeditated self defence”? Are people only supposed to carry guns where it is safe? What is the purpose of that?
So many people pushing this ridiculous idea he is guilty for not staying at home, quaking in his boots. Right to self defense and to bear arms literally exist so that people don’t have to fear walking outside because of asshat violent criminals and rioters.
And even more ridiculous saying the police and prosecutors didn’t care. What do you mean? They went after him with everything they had. It was a jury of his peers that told them to f off with that shit.
But I guess lemmy only likes juries if they nullify actual murderers they like, not when they let go an innocent person they don’t like. (I don’t like Rittenhouse either, but that does not make him a murderer.)
I remember when I was a freshman in high school, I worked at a McDonald’s. For whatever reason, I owned a Burger King t shirt. As a 14 year old, I thought it would be funny to wear the Burger King shirt to work. I figured it would annoy my boss and might get a few reactions out of other people. It didn’t work, but there were no real consequences because of it.
You really can’t see how Rittenhouse did a similar thing? He went to a protest knowing he was diametrically opposite, politically, to people actually protesting and he did it with a big ass gun. Like my Burger King t shirt, this was very clearly sending a message of “I am your enemy.” And the message wasn’t on a harmless shirt, it was on a deadly big ass gun.
You really truly believe he had no intention of killing? Are you dumb?
Yeah and you don’t get acquitted of that either. Also one of the surviving “victims” doesn’t blow the prosecution’s case by being honest in your scenario. That look of defeat photo is priceless.
Why are you so dependant on the court acknowledged and recorded reality of what happened being false? Your rhetoric doesn;t work with facts, so you ignore those instead of constructing an argument that works within reality, for some reason. People like you cry about rittenhouse and that pearl guy, and then go celebrate Luigi.
Why are you so dependant on bootlicking and insisting a deranged little racist was justified in murdering people, and vilifying a person who the courts, you seem to rely on to tell you what to believe, hadn’t even tried yet. And you so haven’t answered my sock puppet question. Do you make new accounts when you’re idiocy and hate gets banned, or do you make them because you’re afraid people will check your history and realise your a sycophant for authoritarianism.
Ok we’re done here, you can’t not lie about the actual events and I won’t longer entertain political discussion with those that can’t at least do that. BTW, it’s really funny you calling me the authoritarian, considering your (see, not “you’re”, buddy) evident ideology. Do you seriously not know the Rittenhouse trial is long, long over? JFC.
He was literally filmed that night watching Antifa Members leave a CVS, where he said “If only I had my gun on me right now”
He was also in an interview with a militia group bragging about “Never using non-lethal”
He also had various facebook posts where he talked about wanting to kill.
He also had a history of schoolyard violence against young girls.
These were disallowed from being admitted as evidence by the judge who claimed these were “irrelevant”, even though they clearly paint a motive.
There’s also the fact that you don’t travel across state lines with an illegal weapon because you love somebody else’s property that much. He had claimed he had been “Hired to protect a dealership” and that he was “Only there to provide medical assistance with the gun being purely for protection”, at one point he’d even been asked to leave by police who only allowed him to stay because he lied about being a “Trained EMT”
Which resulted in the (often played out of context) clip of the police saying “We appreciate you guys, we really do!” as they gave him bottles of water. (Yet no charges for lying to law enforcement, self-misrepresentation, or “Stolen Valor”, curious)
The fact that he wore gloves at all times while handling the weapon also shows he intended to use it for criminal purposes and took steps to hide his fingerprints.
The evidence of pre-mediation is overwhelming, had the Judge not been a MAGA-Plant and the Prosecution not been incompetent “DID THE VIDEO GAMES MAKE YOU DO IT KYLE?!!?!”
What exactly are you arguing for? That the coyote should avoid traps? That the hunter shouldn’t be laying traps if they don’t want to get bitten? What is it?
Fighting back against a perceived threat does not automatically grant the threat justification in their violent actions, nor does it remove legitimacy from the coyote for defending itself from a perceived threat.
Rittenhouse entered the woods, laid a trap, approached the trapped animal, was bitten, and shot the trapped animal. Then he said “It was self defense! They were hunting me!”
I’ve seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.
Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.
Rittenhouse attacked 3 people, that’s 3x the danger. But I guess I forgot to count up their net worths.
Can we just not lie? Rittenhouse was attacked.
Sure he was attacked in the same way you attack a burglar. He shouldve been hanged for waving that fucken rifle around outside of his hometown let alone in a different state. But such mistakes can always be corrected.
oh ffs. you are clearly unaware of how laws work in the particular states where this occurred, and are trying to staple vaguely European or Canadian laws on to the situation, mostly which are considered pretty fascist by those under them.
I am simply stating that the locals of the town should’ve hanged him, this aint a legal argument on my part. I am but a simple Californian stating that I think Kyle Rittenhouse deserves death, my morality rarely aligns to law.
So if you ain’t no better than what you claim he is, why you mad, bro?
For one I claimed no such thing, the locales shouldve linched him. Secondly I am better than him, mostly for the simple fact that I aint so stupid as to cross state borders and poke my nose into other folks business. And thirdly I aint such a weakling to need a gun to feel strong.
There is no Self Defense when you seek conflict.
Court entirely disagreed with your scenario, even the survivor admitted he was attacking.
The court was wrong. Anyone not blinded by ideology can see Rittenhouse crossed state lines to go cause trouble with a gun. His fig leaf of a cover blew apart and conservatives pretended it still applied.
Furthermore despite conservative judges protecting attackers this must be a tenet of self defense, otherwise there is no longer any way to convict someone of murder, except the arbitrary denial of self defense as an argument to defendants.
Was the survivor also lying, you propaganda pushing piece of shit?
Nothing that happened after he grabbed a gun and went to the protest matters. If he hadn’t gone there with the intent of using his gun none of this would have happened. He is the instigating force and cannot claim self defense.
Rittenhouse didn’t premediate his shooting though? Where do you guys get your information about this?
You don’t straw buy an AR then pick it up and cross state lines with it going to a known chaotic protest without premeditated “self defence”.
Carrying a gun is “premeditated self defence”? Are people only supposed to carry guns where it is safe? What is the purpose of that?
So many people pushing this ridiculous idea he is guilty for not staying at home, quaking in his boots. Right to self defense and to bear arms literally exist so that people don’t have to fear walking outside because of asshat violent criminals and rioters.
And even more ridiculous saying the police and prosecutors didn’t care. What do you mean? They went after him with everything they had. It was a jury of his peers that told them to f off with that shit.
But I guess lemmy only likes juries if they nullify actual murderers they like, not when they let go an innocent person they don’t like. (I don’t like Rittenhouse either, but that does not make him a murderer.)
I remember when I was a freshman in high school, I worked at a McDonald’s. For whatever reason, I owned a Burger King t shirt. As a 14 year old, I thought it would be funny to wear the Burger King shirt to work. I figured it would annoy my boss and might get a few reactions out of other people. It didn’t work, but there were no real consequences because of it.
You really can’t see how Rittenhouse did a similar thing? He went to a protest knowing he was diametrically opposite, politically, to people actually protesting and he did it with a big ass gun. Like my Burger King t shirt, this was very clearly sending a message of “I am your enemy.” And the message wasn’t on a harmless shirt, it was on a deadly big ass gun.
You really truly believe he had no intention of killing? Are you dumb?
Everything they had? He’s still alive. That’s more than most shooters get.
Aaah right, so now they should have just executed him without a trial. :D
No? But usually shooters get shot. How isn’t anyone able to read any more? Did I write trial?
Yeah and you don’t get acquitted of that either. Also one of the surviving “victims” doesn’t blow the prosecution’s case by being honest in your scenario. That look of defeat photo is priceless.
It’s not “my scenario”, it was what fucking happened. Also do you people ever get tired of making sock puppets when you’re stupidity gets banned?
Why are you so dependant on the court acknowledged and recorded reality of what happened being false? Your rhetoric doesn;t work with facts, so you ignore those instead of constructing an argument that works within reality, for some reason. People like you cry about rittenhouse and that pearl guy, and then go celebrate Luigi.
Why are you so dependant on bootlicking and insisting a deranged little racist was justified in murdering people, and vilifying a person who the courts, you seem to rely on to tell you what to believe, hadn’t even tried yet. And you so haven’t answered my sock puppet question. Do you make new accounts when you’re idiocy and hate gets banned, or do you make them because you’re afraid people will check your history and realise your a sycophant for authoritarianism.
Ok we’re done here, you can’t not lie about the actual events and I won’t longer entertain political discussion with those that can’t at least do that. BTW, it’s really funny you calling me the authoritarian, considering your (see, not “you’re”, buddy) evident ideology. Do you seriously not know the Rittenhouse trial is long, long over? JFC.
He absolutely did though, the whole point was he wanted to get into a fight be “forced” to defend himself.
I never saw evidence for this claim. Do you have any?
He was literally filmed that night watching Antifa Members leave a CVS, where he said “If only I had my gun on me right now”
He was also in an interview with a militia group bragging about “Never using non-lethal”
He also had various facebook posts where he talked about wanting to kill.
He also had a history of schoolyard violence against young girls.
These were disallowed from being admitted as evidence by the judge who claimed these were “irrelevant”, even though they clearly paint a motive.
There’s also the fact that you don’t travel across state lines with an illegal weapon because you love somebody else’s property that much. He had claimed he had been “Hired to protect a dealership” and that he was “Only there to provide medical assistance with the gun being purely for protection”, at one point he’d even been asked to leave by police who only allowed him to stay because he lied about being a “Trained EMT”
Which resulted in the (often played out of context) clip of the police saying “We appreciate you guys, we really do!” as they gave him bottles of water. (Yet no charges for lying to law enforcement, self-misrepresentation, or “Stolen Valor”, curious)
The fact that he wore gloves at all times while handling the weapon also shows he intended to use it for criminal purposes and took steps to hide his fingerprints.
The evidence of pre-mediation is overwhelming, had the Judge not been a MAGA-Plant and the Prosecution not been incompetent “DID THE VIDEO GAMES MAKE YOU DO IT KYLE?!!?!”
It’s pretty obvious how this would have gone
lol. is this Stephen Kings’ alt account? Clearly written after he got off the blow.
let’s just leave rittenhouse out of this. he got away, whatever.
it is divisive, focus on the topic at hand. Luigi likely did not do it and health insurance it trash that must be reformed.
Ah you’re right, I think that’s what matters more too. This is going to be one hell of a trial.
If the Judge were to ask me, I’d say pretty sure Luigi didn’t do it, I thought I saw Nancy Mace with the glock though.
He deliberately brandished a weapon to incite bystanders to try to defend themselves so he could kill them and call it self defense.
“Brandishing” a weapon isn’t a crime in Wisconsin. Even if it were, it wouldn’t justify vigilantes attempting to kill him.
A hunter in the woods lays a trap. A coyote walks by and gets its foot caught in the trap. The hunter approaches and the coyote bites the hunter.
You feel the coyote was unjustified?
What exactly are you arguing for? That the coyote should avoid traps? That the hunter shouldn’t be laying traps if they don’t want to get bitten? What is it?
Fighting back against a perceived threat does not automatically grant the threat justification in their violent actions, nor does it remove legitimacy from the coyote for defending itself from a perceived threat.
Rittenhouse entered the woods, laid a trap, approached the trapped animal, was bitten, and shot the trapped animal. Then he said “It was self defense! They were hunting me!”
It’s ludicrous that this was upheld in court.
Ah now I understand. I agree.
The age old source of “I made it the fuck up”.
I don’t think other commenters bothered to watch the trial.
He was acting foolish but he certainly didn’t commit pre-meditated murder.