cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I’m sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There’s a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they’re objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we’ve left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can’t say it’s my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I’d put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn’t care about consent, just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? “In this house, we say the N word!”, “okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!” Like, stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn’t permit amoral acts, convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience of most people. they don’t want to see the disappointment in their grandma’s eyes over something they don’t believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they didn’t see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
there are other reasons, and pretending there aren’t won’t help youconvince the people who continue to choose it.
Can you… Provide some of those reasons?
cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I’m sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There’s a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they’re objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we’ve left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can’t say it’s my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I’d put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn’t care about consent, just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? “In this house, we say the N word!”, “okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!” Like, stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn’t permit amoral acts, convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
we’ve been over this: most people don’t think it’s wrong.
this doesn’t change the fact that, for some, in some situations, it is a better source of calories-per-dollar
i didnt say it’s right. i said it’s a reason people choose meat.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience of most people. they don’t want to see the disappointment in their grandma’s eyes over something they don’t believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they didn’t see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
we’ve been over this.
sometimes, for some people.
i think you meant immoral. as it turns out, culture is a great reason to choose amoral actions, and most people think eating meat is amoral.
most people don’t think eating meat is morally wrong.
Oh god I didn’t even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you’re the worst, most bad faith debater I’ve ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don’t argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than “no, actually”.
Don’t bother replying, I’m blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
oh thank god
there’s no data you’ve presented to discuss
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
https://hackertalks.com/post/5730540
Here is a very detailed post on why I chose to go carnivore, happy to discuss any of the specifics if you want to get into the minutiae