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- news@lemmy.world
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- news@lemmy.world
Summary
Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11-year-old girl from Gainesville, Texas, died by suicide after enduring months of bullying over her family’s immigration status.
Classmates allegedly mocked her and threatened to report her family to ICE. The school was aware of the bullying but failed to notify Carranza’s family.
Her mother, Marbella Carranza, only learned of the harassment after her daughter’s death and is now working with investigators and the school to understand what happened and why she was not notified.
At 11? Christ, that is devastating.
Yeah I’m kinda speechless. It doesn’t bear thinking about but I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.
Yeah, let’s blame her.
What?
I’m not blaming her?
Okay hear me out. I give this one single try. If you do not take your time to think about this and double down on your ignorance I will not further engage.
A little girl has been bullied to a point where she saw no other option than ending her own life. This is huge. It’s one of our must fundamental instincts.
She was murdered. By her bullies, by the system, by everyone who enabled this to happen. She was murdered.
Questioning whether she was fully aware of the consequences shifts the blame from the offenders to her. You imply an overreaction. You imply that the griev, drama, and negative emotions are in no relation to what she has been through. You question whether she has reached out for help enough. You question whether she tried.
Rest assured: she did. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/341671/9789290228578-eng.pdf?sequence=1
I don’t really care whether you engage.
It’s an absurdity to suggest that my comment shifts blame to an 11 year old victim.
Sure ok maybe some asshole Alex Jones type might try to say she over reacted, and they might do that by undermining her agency.
That doesn’t mean that someone wondering about what an 11 year old’s understanding of suicide might be, is doing anything other than grieving for our collective loss of innocence.
It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder in trying to process the death of someone so young.
Sire sounded like you where.
Blame?
That’s not blame.
That’s a perfectly normal thing to wonder.
These are both very plausible and terrible things.
No 'blame" in there. Get off that soapbox and back onto earth.
It’s not that simple though is it.
An 11 year old can probably explain what death means, but not really understand the permanence or significance of the event especially in the context of the transience of bullying.
I don’t think you’ve met an 11 year old or maybe even been one. they understand it as much as anyone in that situation would. point being no one in that situation fully does. that’s not the state of mind that typically leads to suicide.
If it doesn’t bear thinking about, remove your comment.
She was fucking 11, you dumbass.
Sorry I don’t really understand what’s so dumb about this question.
If she actually intended suicide (which we don’t know), then to what extent did she understand the permanence of death in the context of the transience of feelings.
What you’re failing to understand is that you’re being an insufferable twat. Do you ask this about adults, too? There are very few people pushed to suicide who consider how transient feelings are, and that’s hardly the point here. You don’t have to face tragedy with obnoxiousness.
What was she doing?
Committing suicide?
Right nevermind then. I interpreted your statement as if the girl was doing something wrong that caused her to bullied into suicide
Oh you’re asking if she could relatively conceive of what life would be like without her in it, especially to her family and friends. If she had that level of mindfulness and could pre-meditate the consequences.
I mean, she was 11. And even fully grown adults can barely know what the consequences of their actions will be, so I doubt this was ever something considered.
It was probably a combination of short-term pain felt by herself and shame felt towards her family that led to the breaking point. Makes me dissociate just thinking about this story
What the OP doesn’t realize is that if one is at the point of suicide, the loss to their family and friends doesn’t even cross their minds no matter the age.
All they can think of is ending the pain. Doesn’t matter if you’re 11 or 30.
The comment is stupid and clearly OP has never spoken with a suicidal person before. All they’re doing is victim blaming.
I promise you, at 11 you know what death is. And it’s the ADULTS responsibility to protect you anyway. Why are you blaming the victim?