• thedruid
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    here’s the issue.

    There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right. Since people with no knowledge about the subject made sure to make it as expensive as possible to enjoy a right, the psychopaths in office now have precedent.

    one cannot tax one right and hand wave another. So . which do you think will fall first?

      • thedruid
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        -22 months ago

        is there an Amendment that bans a tax on any right?

        if not then your argument has no standing.

        Point is, requiring people to pay to exercise rights is now enshrined. and we watched it happen.

        • The 24th amendment very specifically bans polling taxes

          The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

          • thedruid
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            Miller v. US, 230 F2d 489 “The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”

            Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969). “Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.”

            US Supreme Court in Hurtado v. California 110 US 516: “The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.”

            Sherar v. Cullen, 481 F2d 946(1973) “… there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights”

            Also in Murdock: “a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”"

            • @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.

              Irrelevant to this conversation.

              Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.

              By this logic, voter registration isn’t in the constitution, so you might be able to make the argument that it violates the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 24th amendments. Again, by this logic, regardless of if people have proper voting registration or any voting registration at all, they should still be able to vote anyways. The 4 Democrats mentioned in the above article pass a law against the above.

              The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.

              Tell that to the Republicans that introduced the above bill.

              there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights

              What about the right to protest of UCLA students last April being violated because of false claims of anti-semitism, or the right to protest of Columbia students last March because of similar false claims? Did the US care about imposing sanctions or penalties on those people, or did they just detain and deport them instead?

              a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”

              Again, tell that to Republicans that introduced the above bill.

    • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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      12 months ago

      So which amendment bans taxes on gun ownership. Must have missed that one.

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      There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right.

      I looked at the receipt for a recent gun purchase, a rifle, and there are zero taxes or fees on it except sales tax which applies to nearly all items (such as video games or automobiles) for sale. There were no required licenses or classes to purchase or own this firearm.

      • thedruid
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        -12 months ago

        in your state. Where I am there are requirements for everything. from buying ammo to getting separate licenses for long guns and pistols.

        the weapon itself is not what I’m talking about. of course that’s taxable.

    • @kreskin@lemmy.world
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      Dont stop! I’m playing sad violin music to back you up! keep typing, think of the children who wont get to fire guns without your continued effort.

      • thedruid
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        Jesus Christ what’s the matter with you! I didn’t think id see the same type of insulting children here as on reddit. What ever happened to civil discourse?

          • thedruid
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            Umm. I don’t own a modern firearm

            Don’t be so antagonistic. No one’s asking for sympathy. Why so angry?

            • Lol up and down this thread crying about gun taxes. “Why so angry?” You’re that kind of redditor lol. I’d say go back, but I’ll bet you’re one of the ones that actually earned your ban.

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          ( sad violin music intensifies, with frett pounding added to simulate bullet firing noises )

          Its about time someone spoke up for pew-pew owners rights. Why do the anti school shooting folks get all the press?

          How dare everyone not consider my gawd-given personal rights to mass casualty tools.

          /s

    • Psychadelligoat
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      one cannot tax one right and hand wave another

      Clearly you’re wrong because ones been being taxed and the other hasn’t. There’s a direct ban on poll taxes in the constitution, there is no such things for guns