• @MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip
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    9 days ago

    The meaning of words change over time, that’s the same for “left” and “right”

    You’re framing the “right” to rewrite the current meaning with the historical meaning, which just doesn’t work.

    It scares me that there are so many upvotes on this. Misinformation is on both sides, and you’re comment is proof of that.

      • @MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip
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        9 days ago

        Complicated question. There is no fixed definition, and this is multi factorial.

        To put it simply, I’ll say

        Left: equality (economical, social, no discrimination), more state centered, ecology, at the price of private property (specifically private property of companies, factories, means of production) and less freedom (individual rights and economical).

        Right: more freedom (specifically economical), stronger (traditional) culture, patriotism/nationalism, less state centered at the price of less equality (limited help if you don’t succeed).

        Overall that’s not strict, and there are a few examples of that: non-conservative right (doesn’t seem to exist in the USA).

        It’s also important to say that people often have ideas that are a bit of both sides: ex: more economical freedom (right), but no patriotism/nationalism (less right), but more equality in terms of identity (gender, ethnicity…), democracy (can apply to both left and right)

        • @chaogomu@lemmy.world
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          Let’s break down your idea of the “right” because it does need to be analyzed.

          You say “more freedom”, but you never actually specify who gets more freedom except in a backhanded way of contrasting your idea of the left, who limit the freedoms of companies.

          This is an important point. The Right gives companies and the rich, more freedoms, which in historical context has always meant more freedoms to exploit, or even kill their workers in the name of profit. This conversely means less freedoms for actual people who don’t want to die or be poisoned by some rich asshole who wants to make a buck.

          You also say Traditional culture, which has always meant more rights to rich white men and fewer rights to minorities and women. Or maybe you want to couch it by saying a push for more religion, which then means less protections for the people who practice the wrong religion.

          But you see how every single point goes back to more power for some people at the expense of everyone else.

          This is not a bug, this is a feature. Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre both wrote about how this was the desired outcome, and how democracy was a threat to “traditional values” and how the idea of equality was, in their words, repugnant.

          There is a direct through-line from those two bastards to every single conservative thought leader of today, and many of them use the exact same talking points.