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    It is almost 20 months since Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to the unprecedented Hamas-led cross-border attack on Israel on 7 October 2023

    It is almost 20 months since the US-backed colonial occupation launched its extermination campaign in Gaza in response to the ghetto uprising on 7 October 2023

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      I cringe every time I read “the war in Gaza”. It is clearly a genocide. There is no way one could say otherwise, in good faith. The fact that my tax dollars are funding this sickens me.

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      Your mom is unprecedented

      Edit: not the person I’m replying to.

    • 5ibelius9insterberg
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      Tell me… how many civilians did the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto murder? Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?

      It’s necessary to call out „Bibi“ and his friends and get them far away from any kind of power asap and forever. Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.

      But comparing the massacre from October 7th to the Warsaw ghetto uprising is just ridiculous.

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        Israel didn’t need to put them on trains to extermination camps, they just turned the entirety of Gaza into an extermination camp.

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          The Nazis built literal murder-factories. The only purpose of those buildings was to murder as many people as possible and dispose of the bodies fast and efficiently. They tried to catch everyone that fit their definition of so called „unworthy life“ from all over Europe and brought them to their extermination camps to murder them. This is not what happened in Gaza before October 7th and it’s not what’s happening there now.

          Even if half the stuff I read about Gaza was made up, there would be still more than enough reason to put Bibi and his goons behind bars forever. I think it’s necessary to be as precise and accurate as possible when talking about these kind of crimes because the truth is horrible enough without spicing it up with history-forgotten comparisons.

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            It’s not far off. They’re absolutely trying to kill all of Gaza at once. There’s a reason they’re repeatedly attacking anyone who brings food, including World Central Kitchen.

            You’re aware of the food traps, right?

            They absolutely will not allow Greta to bring aid to Gaza. They’d kill her if the PR wasn’t so bad.

            Unlike a lot of the Gaza sympathizers, I do not excuse Oct 7th. It was an attack on Israel. It was not justified. Israel has a right to defend itself.

            This isn’t defense. This is genocide. They’re trying to solve the problem permanently by killing nearly every last one of them. It’s a Final Solution.

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        Was the IDF transporting trainloads of Civilians from Gaza to extermination camps?

        They didn’t need to, their victims are already in the concentration camp, they just dumped unlimited amounts of US-made bombs gifted to them by their colonial patrons.

        Also a whole lot of IDF troops (just like any like-to-be religious facists from the government) should get an „invitation“ to The Hague.

        At this point every American politician acting on behalf of this should need to get tried for complicity as well.

        This was a ghetto uprising, sickening that you feel the need to defend their executioners. The “murder factories” are on American soil, no need to ship people on trains, the colonists will happily deliver the US-made bombs to their victims.

      • @Corn@lemmy.ml
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        Do we consider the armed German settlers living around the ghetto in a foreign country civilians? I mean they brought their own children to help colonize their new living space.

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        Would you be less supportive of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising if they did kill more civilians in Nazi Germany?

        Masha Gessen

        For the last seventeen years, Gaza has been a hyperdensely populated, impoverished, walled-in compound where only a small fraction of the population had the right to leave for even a short amount of time—in other words, a ghetto. Not like the Jewish ghetto in Venice or an inner-city ghetto in America but like a Jewish ghetto in an Eastern European country occupied by Nazi Germany. In the two months since Hamas attacked Israel, all Gazans have suffered from the barely interrupted onslaught of Israeli forces. Thousands have died. On average, a child is killed in Gaza every ten minutes. Israeli bombs have struck hospitals, maternity wards, and ambulances. Eight out of ten Gazans are now homeless, moving from one place to another, never able to get to safety.

        The term “open-air prison” seems to have been coined in 2010 by David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary who was then Prime Minister. Many human-rights organizations that document conditions in Gaza have adopted the description. But as in the Jewish ghettoes of Occupied Europe, there are no prison guards—Gaza is policed not by the occupiers but by a local force. Presumably, the more fitting term “ghetto” would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews. It also would have given us the language to describe what is happening in Gaza now. The ghetto is being liquidated.

        The Nazis claimed that ghettos were necessary to protect non-Jews from diseases spread by Jews. Israel has claimed that the isolation of Gaza, like the wall in the West Bank, is required to protect Israelis from terrorist attacks carried out by Palestinians. The Nazi claim had no basis in reality, while the Israeli claim stems from actual and repeated acts of violence. These are essential differences. Yet both claims propose that an occupying authority can choose to isolate, immiserate—and, now, mortally endanger—an entire population of people in the name of protecting its own.

        Adi Callai

        Another case that is especially important to me as a Jewish person, having studied our history of persecution and rebellion, is the Sobibor Uprising. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is of course the most famous Jewish revolt of that era, and many people made the analogy, including Refaat Alareer, a Gazan poet who generated controversy for drawing this comparison on BBC, and who was murdered by Israel as a possible consequence. The Sobibor revolt, while much less well known, was more of a success story. Sobibor was a concentration camp where, in 1943, realizing they were all going to get killed, a small group of maybe twenty people, some of them prisoners of war, organized in secrecy, came up with a sophisticated plan to kill high-ranking SS officers, sabotage the electricity and communications infrastructure, take the guards’ weapons, loot the armory, arm the other inmates, open the gates, and let people escape and join the partisans. Launched on October 14, 1943, it worked, to an extent. Approximately half of the camp escaped. But only about fifty rebels survived the war. Still, that’s a much higher percentage than would’ve survived otherwise. And of course, there are infinite differences between these cases, but I instantly thought about it when I got the news from my sister, who lived in one of the settlements of the Envelope until October 7, in the family WhatsApp group, saying that their power went out, that there was some kind of sabotage of the electricity infrastructure in the October 7 operation.

        In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

      • @rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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        Feddit.org users again trying to act like they care about palestinians. You are ignoring the fact that every single goddamn israeli government was oppresing palestinians and comiting act of terrorism

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      That was not a ghetto uprising, that was unchecked violence against Israeli civilians by terrorists. You do Gaza’s suffering civilians no justice by tying their plight to the actions of Hamas on Oct 7. Their only crime is existing.

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        not interested in your respectability politics shit, the American enablers have contributed far more to the suffering civilians than Hamas ever has by resisting their extermination.

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          Not interested in your bullshit takes that would only incite more violence against the Gaza civilians by painting Oct 7 as a popular uprising.

          Honestly think before you speak if you actually care about these people.

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                the history starts before 1948.

                20 months since Palestine attacked Israel setting off a war.

                which is it? It’s almost like you’re just another westerner defending a genocide via selective reading of history

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              They are NOT resisting, these are innocent civilians… I don’t give a shit about Hamas I’m talking about women and children dying in Gaza. How is there disagreement on this basic acknowledgement of reality?

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                Israel is committing a genocide, as all settler colonial states eventually do, no disagreement there.

                The disagreement is over whether Palestinians have a right to resist settler colonialism and forced displacement. International law and natural law says they do, it is obvious, but people who live in settler colonial states that were successful in eradicating the indigenous population won’t make that inconvenient admission.

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                So the Palestinian men can just die off I guess. According to you

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                  No but these people are so dense that i have to spell it out like that so they understand the difference I’m drawing between Hamas/combatants/uprising vs. women and children living peacefully in their homes and not harming anyone on this planet but still getting bombs dropped on their heads. But still it’s on deaf ears.

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            Hey here comes the comfortable westerner to tell everyone what they think is bad optics.

            This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support. Hand-wrining about “terrorism” only serves defending the perpetrators while posing like you care about victims.

            Sickening behavior really, but I’m used to it by now. American soldiers are terrorists, IDF are terrorists.

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              This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support

              I mean… No. This has been happening for 80+ fucking years and Israel would be doing it with or without US support.

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                They would certainly be trying, but it’s a lot harder to exterminate a captive population when you aren’t getting supplied a whole arsenal to do so.

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                    This genocide could never happen without the American uniparty shitheads enabling it for decades.

                    Ok… So a bit different than “it would never happen”

                    I said:

                    This genocide could never happen without the Biden and Trumps full support

                    Without their support it would be a different one, maybe get better at reading or something

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              It’s not about bad optics, you are literally doing what Israel is doing by equating Gaza civilians as “combatants” and thus making them targets. These people had nothing to do with Oct 7 I’m talking about little children and doctors and mothers and teachers and you’re on about this fucking freedom fighter uprising bullshit because you’re more concerned with justifying violence against Israel than caring about how many kids get bombed and starve to death in Gaza.

              Fuck that bullshit.

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                You are the one making excuses for the occupation by calling their victims terrorists. A ghetto uprising describes the conditions accurately. You are the one doing the work of Israel by pretending that they have ever discriminated between ‘combatants’ and everyone else.

                I guess feigning moral superiority must be how you sleep at night after a long day of jorkin it to Ukraine war killcams or whatever it is you weirdos do for fun.

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                  I see, we are on 2 different topics here.

                  Have fun justifying Oct 7. I’ll pass on that bullshit.

                  I’m talking about the genocide in Gaza today, where 50,000 who had nothing to do with Oct 7 or any sort of “uprising” whatsoever have been killed.

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                    You are justifying the genocide today. You come out of the woodwork to complain about people conflating civilians with ‘terrorists’ while simultaneously pretending that Israel has ever cared about that distinction.

                    You probably live in a country where your ancestors successfully exterminated their native population and now feel the need to blame other indigenous people for resisting their own slaughter.

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              I don’t understand. every single person here aside from maybe one other guy is trashing israel without any regard for Israel’s perspective. the viewpoints here are completely unbalanced. why would you ask that question?

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                Person with the Luigi fan account is suddenly concerned about a balanced viewpoint when it’s about not about their healthcare system. classic

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                1. You aren’t putting forward “Israel’s perspective, you’re just dissing Palestine.

                2. Israel was created in 1948 and has attacked Palestine and whatever else took its fancy ever since. The father who had gone to register his child, the World Kitchen, a group of ambulances, and now the Madleen crew being particular examples…

                But please, enlighten me, what the fuck is their “perspective”?

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        Bootlicker lmao

        The ‘war’ has been going on long before 20 months ago. Unbelievably sheltered worldview you have.