• @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    -611 days ago

    Gaza is under a declared blockade, Maritime Law (the oldest of international law) allows detaining any ship bound for a blockaded port. It’s really cut and dry, they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port. It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area, these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

    International law is an agreement between nations and doesn’t actually restrict nations from doing things that will hurt your feelings. You’re going down the sovcit path when you pretend international law is whatever you want it to be.

    • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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      1110 days ago

      It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area,

      That’s exactly what happened, blockade borders have to be announced and ships have to be allowed time to leave the area. Israel left their blockade and kidnapped people aboard a ship they did not allow to leave an area they weren’t in.

      these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

      Once they breach the blockade yes arguably though with only aid that gets more complex. Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful. That could mean Israel could board and search, or doesn’t mean they can blockade all aid to starve a population which is specifically and in multiple very very illegal.

      https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/blockade

      Their sources section is awash with good relevant information and specifically findings on the last Israeli famous Israeli blockade and subsequent boarding (and death of iirc 9) which was found to be a legal blockade so long as the purpose was not starvation and aid could enter with security arrangements.

      • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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        -210 days ago

        An operation involving naval and air forces by which a belligerent completely prevents movement by sea from or to a port or coast belonging to or occupied by an enemy belligerent. To be mandatory, that is, for third States to be obliged to respect it, the blockade must be effective. This means that it must be maintained by a force sufficient to prevent all access to the enemy coast.

        So… according to the link you’ve provided Israel is actually required to board the ship or they can no longer prevent shipments of weapons coming from Iran?

        Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful.

        Has there been any indication these flotilla activists attempted to make such security arrangements with Israel?

        • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          Correct to an extent, the accepted meaning is that they must agree to security measures to pass through. It is not and never has been a way to willfully prevent aid and aide staff into combat zones.

          They weren’t in a blockaded zone as far as I’m aware, Israel only says they were approaching and providing intented destination as you must when attempting to pass through a blockade.

          Even ignoring that they must be allowed to leave even if they enter the blockaded area without permission, it isn’t a seize your property and imprison your crew for being in the general area openly providing intent kinda thing.

          • @Samskara@sh.itjust.works
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            010 days ago

            Israel has told the flotilla repeatedly they can deliver the aid through the proper channels and the port of Ashdod.

            The small amount of captured aid from the freedom flotilla is being delivered to Gaza by Israel at the moment.

            • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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              110 days ago

              Correct, they hadn’t entered the area yet though so they technically heeded their warning.

              Stolen, if you take something from someone and dispense it as your own you’re guilty of theft and conversion something they say Hamas does with aid. And moreover delivering aid doesn’t negate the whole unlawful boarding, seizure and forcible human trafficking thing.

              • @Samskara@sh.itjust.works
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                09 days ago

                You don’t need to actually rob someone for the police to arrest you, if you loudly proclaim your intent and don’t stop.

                Confiscating ship and cargo, and holding the crew is perfectly legal under international maritime law for blockade runners.

                Israel said the tiny amount of aid the flotilla brought would be delivered on to Gaza.

                • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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                  You do actually. They need pc for arrest, they need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain, your simply confusing or conflating the two. Similarly a police officer needs jurisdiction, Israel doesn’t have jurisdiction outside of the blockade or territorial waters.

                  To run a blockade you actually need to enter it, at anchor in international water after declaring your intent is quite literally the textbook reaction to a blockade and specifically to enter one legally.

                  Israel also says it’s ok to run over people with tanks so maybe Israel is full of shit and you should trust third parties over the most active belligerent. FYI Hitler tried to say invading Poland for security reasons was legal, turns out no but Israel decided to quite literally pull a Hitler.

                  Stop cucking for authoritarians bud.

    • JackbyDev
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      510 days ago

      Maritime Law (the oldest of international law)

      Source?

      freedom flotilla yahoos […] doing things that will hurt your feelings. […] sovcit […] pretend

      Ew.

    • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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      110 days ago

      they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port.

      Not illegal.

      which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

      Not detain and seize, maritime law is very specific in that a blockade cannot block aid unreasonably. A super famous ship you’ve searched that’s filled solely with celebrities and aid is something you shouldn’t turn away so long as they accept security arrangements like boarding and searching. This isn’t star wars nor are they the trade union and total blockades like your implying are very illegal as defined by the law you’re sourcing.