“There is no ethical consumption under capitalism”
That’s not a blank check to not bother with ethics though.
“Learn to separate the art from the artist”
You know Death of the Author is just a literary analysis tool, right?
Stop villainizing them for their interest in the franchise just because JK turned out to be a bigoted bitch and is using her royalties to bankroll bigoted organizations.
They aren’t being villainized for their interest in the franchise, they’re being villainized for for contributing to the bigoted organizations fund.
Want to bitch about something? Bitch about the overarching systems that make interacting with your interests tangentially associated with funding bigotry and hate due to a convoluted system of ownership.
I can bitch about more than one thing at a time, it’s not either/or.
No, it isn’t just a literary analysis tool, it is also a statement making social commentary about how someone can consume a piece of media without being supportive of the author and their actions as a private individual.
It absolutely is either/or, because if you understand the point of the latter one then it invalidates the reasoning behind the previous assumptions.
It isn’t the consumer’s fault that the product they enjoy is tangentially used to fund oppressive organizations. Literally every single thing you consume under capitalism contributes to the oppression of a marginalized person. That’s kinda the fault of the system we are forced to live under. Blame the system, not the individual.
You can bitch about the individual all you want, and I’ll continue to call everyone who does a shortsighted, myopic fool.
it is also a statement making social commentary about how someone can consume a piece of media without being supportive of the author and their actions as a private individual
That’s true, unless you are buying the products or watching the shows on a service, which would be supportive of the author.
It absolutely is either/or
Stopped reading because that is so blatantly wrong, trying thinking harder please.
It isn’t the consumer’s fault that the product they enjoy is tangentially used to fund oppressive organizations
That’s also true, but it is the consumer’s fault if they continue to support products that are used to fund oppressive organizations, particularly if it isn’t a necessity, and particularly particularly if they are quite well informed about the issue.
Literally every single thing you consume under capitalism contributes to the oppression of a marginalized person
Yes, but some things are essential to living, but even in those cases the consumer can STILL vote with their wallet. I repeat, “no ethical consumption under capitalism” is not an excuse to make the choice to support unethical organizations when there are more ethical alternatives.
If someone told me they specifically bought slave labor produced goods because they are always cheaper, they would still be wrong even though everything in our system exploits someone somewhere, because there is always a choice between lesser evils.
You can bitch about the individual all you want, and I’ll continue to call everyone who does a shortsighted, myopic fool.
Sorry you’re so triggered that people are rightfully judging you for choosing your little fandom over human rights, but it’s a choice you are actively making. Stop being a pussy and hiding behind excuses, you support J.K. Rowling because you want to.
No, buying the product=! Supporting the author.
Again, since you seem to be dull I’ll repeat for you “learn to separate the art from the artist”.
I’m also gonna stop reading cause it’s clear you don’t think at all. Your position is shortsighted and myopic. Learn to think critically and stop blaming individuals for systemic problems.
Simple minded idiots like you are why the world is going to shit.
While I disagree with the rest of your take, I could at least respect your opinion right up until your edit with this at the end. I can’t see your downvotes from my instance, but calling everyone that disagrees with your unpopular opinion “reactionary liberals” is a pretty weak effort on your part.
Cool. I don’t respect the opinion of those who disagree with this take. Those who blame the individual for systemic issues that are beyond their control are by definition reactionary. They react to the individual action and assign them blame for something that is not their fault rather than take into account the system factors that surround these choices.
So I really don’t give a shit if you don’t respect my opinion. I don’t respect yours.
And I’m sorry you cannot understand how disrespectful and unworthy of respect it is to hold the position to blame people for things beyond their control and for simply trying to live their life and enjoy the things they like.
What is going on with your moral compass that you believe that sometimes, funding bigots doesn’t make you a shitty person, yet also lets you believe that disagreeing with you on that issue topic is enough to qualify someone as a shitty person?
If you can make an exception for people funding Rowling, you can make space for them disagreeing with you, without pretending that they’re the problem
Nah, even if you try to separate the art from the artist, her worldview still comes through, from the racist naming to Harry becoming a cop to the complete lack of examination of why magical fascism rose. The most telling part is that Magic Hitler was defeated by a quirk of nature, completely unrelated to the battles the rest of wizardkind were fighting or any actions taken by any characters during the time of the books.
By that logic, no one can enjoy anything but Andor. Every piece of entertainment is liberal or flawed in some way. Doesn’t stop people from enjoying them.
Nah, theres plenty of media where the authors shitty views and terrible world building dont become apparent the moment you stop and think, or where the author didnt have shitty views. Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, there’s Earthsea, Im sure theres other fantasy British novels.
Yea it’s children’s media. It’s never been touted as a literary masterpiece. That doesn’t change that people love the setting and wish to enjoy the media that takes place within it. I’m not here to criticize the works themselves on their literary merits for being copaganda and liberal hogwash.
The problem people have is that it is tangentially funding her, through the royalties she receives from how our system has structured ownership that entitles her to reimbursement. Yet, I guarantee, if all these people looked behind the curtains of the things they buy, then they will find they routinely “support” similar people through that same system of convoluted ownership funneling funds into their bank accounts.
So anyone trying to villainize people for enjoying a media franchise that they hold dear to them is a straight up hypocrite whose opinion I give zero shits about, unless the person laying that criticism literally has never engaged with the capitalist markets in any capacity.
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That’s not a blank check to not bother with ethics though.
You know Death of the Author is just a literary analysis tool, right?
They aren’t being villainized for their interest in the franchise, they’re being villainized for for contributing to the bigoted organizations fund.
I can bitch about more than one thing at a time, it’s not either/or.
Jesus Christ you missed the entire point.
No, it isn’t just a literary analysis tool, it is also a statement making social commentary about how someone can consume a piece of media without being supportive of the author and their actions as a private individual.
It absolutely is either/or, because if you understand the point of the latter one then it invalidates the reasoning behind the previous assumptions.
It isn’t the consumer’s fault that the product they enjoy is tangentially used to fund oppressive organizations. Literally every single thing you consume under capitalism contributes to the oppression of a marginalized person. That’s kinda the fault of the system we are forced to live under. Blame the system, not the individual.
You can bitch about the individual all you want, and I’ll continue to call everyone who does a shortsighted, myopic fool.
That’s true, unless you are buying the products or watching the shows on a service, which would be supportive of the author.
Stopped reading because that is so blatantly wrong, trying thinking harder please.
That’s also true, but it is the consumer’s fault if they continue to support products that are used to fund oppressive organizations, particularly if it isn’t a necessity, and particularly particularly if they are quite well informed about the issue.
Yes, but some things are essential to living, but even in those cases the consumer can STILL vote with their wallet. I repeat, “no ethical consumption under capitalism” is not an excuse to make the choice to support unethical organizations when there are more ethical alternatives.
If someone told me they specifically bought slave labor produced goods because they are always cheaper, they would still be wrong even though everything in our system exploits someone somewhere, because there is always a choice between lesser evils.
Sorry you’re so triggered that people are rightfully judging you for choosing your little fandom over human rights, but it’s a choice you are actively making. Stop being a pussy and hiding behind excuses, you support J.K. Rowling because you want to.
No, buying the product=! Supporting the author. Again, since you seem to be dull I’ll repeat for you “learn to separate the art from the artist”.
I’m also gonna stop reading cause it’s clear you don’t think at all. Your position is shortsighted and myopic. Learn to think critically and stop blaming individuals for systemic problems.
Simple minded idiots like you are why the world is going to shit.
that’s actually exactly what it is, like that is literally the most straightforward and direct way to support an author
While I disagree with the rest of your take, I could at least respect your opinion right up until your edit with this at the end. I can’t see your downvotes from my instance, but calling everyone that disagrees with your unpopular opinion “reactionary liberals” is a pretty weak effort on your part.
Cool. I don’t respect the opinion of those who disagree with this take. Those who blame the individual for systemic issues that are beyond their control are by definition reactionary. They react to the individual action and assign them blame for something that is not their fault rather than take into account the system factors that surround these choices.
So I really don’t give a shit if you don’t respect my opinion. I don’t respect yours.
I’m really sorry that you see everyone opposed to your views in this way, it must feel really miserable from where you’re standing. Have a nice day ✌️
And I’m sorry you cannot understand how disrespectful and unworthy of respect it is to hold the position to blame people for things beyond their control and for simply trying to live their life and enjoy the things they like.
People who do that are shitty people.
You’re welcome 😊
What is going on with your moral compass that you believe that sometimes, funding bigots doesn’t make you a shitty person, yet also lets you believe that disagreeing with you on that issue topic is enough to qualify someone as a shitty person?
If you can make an exception for people funding Rowling, you can make space for them disagreeing with you, without pretending that they’re the problem
Nah, even if you try to separate the art from the artist, her worldview still comes through, from the racist naming to Harry becoming a cop to the complete lack of examination of why magical fascism rose. The most telling part is that Magic Hitler was defeated by a quirk of nature, completely unrelated to the battles the rest of wizardkind were fighting or any actions taken by any characters during the time of the books.
By that logic, no one can enjoy anything but Andor. Every piece of entertainment is liberal or flawed in some way. Doesn’t stop people from enjoying them.
Nah, theres plenty of media where the authors shitty views and terrible world building dont become apparent the moment you stop and think, or where the author didnt have shitty views. Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, there’s Earthsea, Im sure theres other fantasy British novels.
Yea it’s children’s media. It’s never been touted as a literary masterpiece. That doesn’t change that people love the setting and wish to enjoy the media that takes place within it. I’m not here to criticize the works themselves on their literary merits for being copaganda and liberal hogwash.
The problem people have is that it is tangentially funding her, through the royalties she receives from how our system has structured ownership that entitles her to reimbursement. Yet, I guarantee, if all these people looked behind the curtains of the things they buy, then they will find they routinely “support” similar people through that same system of convoluted ownership funneling funds into their bank accounts.
So anyone trying to villainize people for enjoying a media franchise that they hold dear to them is a straight up hypocrite whose opinion I give zero shits about, unless the person laying that criticism literally has never engaged with the capitalist markets in any capacity.
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