It’s not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

  • PhilipTheBucket
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    You know what? Sure.

    58. Based on the examination of available information, including credible statements by
    eyewitnesses, there are reasonable grounds to believe that multiple incidents of rape, including
    gang rape, occurred in and around the Nova festival site during the 7 October attacks. Credible
    information was obtained regarding multiple incidents whereby victims were subjected to rape
    and then killed. There are further accounts of individuals who witnessed at least two incidents of
    rape of corpses of women. Other credible sources at the Nova music festival site described
    seeing multiple murdered individuals, mostly women, whose bodies were found naked from the
    waist down, some totally naked, with some gunshots in the head and/or tied including with their
    hands bound behind their backs and tied to structures such as trees or poles.

    60. There are reasonable grounds to believe that sexual violence occurred on and around
    Road 232. Credible information based on corroborating witness accounts describes an incident
    involving the rape of two women. The mission team received other accounts of rape, including
    gang rape, which could not be verified during the time provided and would require further
    investigation. Along this road, several bodies were found with genital injuries, along with
    injuries to other body parts. Discernible patterns of genital mutilation could not be verified at this
    time but warrant future investigation. Many bodies along Road 232 also suffered destructive
    burn damage and conclusions as to conflict-related sexual violence (including genital mutilation)
    related to these incidents could not be drawn. The mission team was also able to ascertain that
    multiple bodies of women and a few men were found totally or partially naked or with their
    clothes torn, including some bound and/or attached to structures, which – though circumstantial
    – may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence.

    It then goes kibbutz by kibbutz, detailing what was or wasn’t found in each location and the limits of what they were able to conclude, including debunking what seems to me like a pretty clear pattern of certain fabricated accounts, in sections 62 through 67.

    71. The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in
    Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and
    convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel,
    inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time
    in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing.

    They also visited the West Bank, and made sure to make it clear that Israel is also committing inhuman treatmentt of Palestinians including sexual violence. I think there was a whole separate report or something that expanded on that to put it in context, this one just briefly touches on it.

    Overall:

    84. Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent
    sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related
    sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of
    rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information,
    which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation,
    sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered.

    85. With regards to the hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information
    that some hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual
    violence and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing.

    86. The mission team was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and
    concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would
    require a fully-fledged investigation. A comprehensive investigation would enable the
    information base to be expanded in locations which the mission team was not able to visit and to
    build the required trust with survivors/victims of conflict-related sexual violence who may be
    reluctant to come forward at this point.

    • archomrade [he/him]
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      reasonable grounds to believe

      If this is where you’ve sourced your claim then I should probably insist that you amend your original wording to something more appropriate. “There are reasonable grounds to believe there was sexual violence on october 7th”, instead of “Rape was widespread”

      The only reason why someone might take your comment as ‘siding with Israel’ is that it’s careless, at-best. Most people will not be that generous. If you actually care about that representation, then you should be more careful.

      You will not be seeing me start a drama thread about this.