Growth in german wind capacity is slowing. Soo… then the plan is to keep on with lignite and gas? Am I missing something?

Installed Wind Capacty - Germany

German Wind Capacity

  • Blake [he/him]
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    11 year ago

    Watch this, I can make you ragequit this entire argument with this one comment with like a 90% confidence rate:

    Prove either of these two statements as false:

    The total cost per kWh of nuclear electricity is more expensive than common renewable sources of electricity.
    
    The total amount of carbon dioxide equivalent emissions for nuclear is greater than the carbon dioxide equivalent emissions of common renewable sources of electricity.
    

    Either that or you can loftily declare yourself above this argument, state that I am somehow moving the goalposts, say that “there’s no point, I’ll never change your mind” or just somehow express some amount of increduiity at my absolutely abhorrent behaviour by asking you such a straightforward question? You may also choose “that’s not the question I want to talk about, we should answer MY questions instead!”

    But go ahead and prove me wrong, I’ll be waiting!

    • Ertebolle
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      I’ll cheerfully concede both of those statements, I just don’t think they result in you winning the argument.

      It’s not clear that we can build enough renewables fast enough, or that we can build storage capacity fast enough when we do; you cite vague studies that suggest we might be able to do, but that’s all they are. I’d rather not bet everything on that and then discover in 20 years that we made the wrong bet.

      According to the anti-nuclear group cited in one of your articles, nuclear produces about 4x the CO2 emissions of solar but 1/4 the emissions of natural gas. (1/8 those of coal) And it also assumes we can’t improve on that any, even though there is a tremendous amount of money + research going on right now on lowering CO2 emissions from construction materials like concrete and steel. (perhaps we don’t have any of those improvements up and running for in 20 years, but meanwhile those shiny nuclear plants are getting rid of 3/4 of the CO2 from the natural gas plants they’re replacing)

      • Blake [he/him]
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        21 year ago

        Ah, what a gentleman! Since you’ve been so sporting, I’ll indulge you.

        It’s not clear that we can build enough renewables fast enough

        You can go ahead and try to prove this statement false:

        • The total time taken to provision 1 GWh of nuclear electricity is considerably slower than the total time taken to provision 1GWh of common renewable sources of electricity.
        • Ertebolle
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          Again, I’m arguing we do both. And anyway this is a volume question, not a construction time one (enough renewables fast enough) - I’m OK with waiting 20 years for new nuclear plants if in 20 years we get a fuckton of them.

          • Blake [he/him]
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            41 year ago

            You need lunch and you can choose between a nutritious and tasty $5 sandwich from an independent deli or a $10 expensive mass-produced sandwich from a chain. The independent deli is tastier, cheaper, and healthier, and it’s easier for you to get since it’s on your way to work.

            Or you could just get both for no good reason if you want I guess.

          • Blake [he/him]
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            31 year ago

            Hey, this you?

            It’s not clear that we can build enough renewables fast enough

            this is a volume question, not a construction time one (enough renewables fast enough)

            Woah! What happened to those goalposts? I could have sworn they were here a second ago.

            I’m gonna wait for your response to my other question to properly address this one since they’re so intrinsically linked.

      • Blake [he/him]
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        21 year ago

        I’ll cheerfully concede both of those statements, I just don’t think they result in you winning the argument.

        Obviously those points are the entire crux of the whole argument lmao.