Everyone talk about doing the fun jobs, yet no one talk about doing the hard and necessary jobs like a plumber, garbage men, or farmer. Poops and garbage aren’t magically disappear and foods don’t magically appears except in star trek utopia.
Literally the comment above this one is talking about wanting to be a farmer because they grown good weed. A lot of people actually want to just clean up stuff. A lot of people like being a plumber. That said communism doesn’t mean everyone just does what they want.
What would I rather, collect garbage, or let garbage pile up in my house?
Probably I’ll collect garbage.
And since I’m doing it, might as well do cooperate with a couple members of my community and clean up the whole thing.
Would I rather my house pile in shit or learn plumbing? Probably the latter. And then when my neighbor is having plumbing issues, I’ll give 'em a hand.
And not everyone has to do this. My neighbor and I decide he’ll take the garbage I’ll take the plumbing. Or maybe we both learn both, and just switch.
You seem to forget that these things were born out of a need anyways. There’s nothing stopping people from doing what they need to do to fulfill their community’s needs.
You seem to forget that these things were born out of a need anyways. There’s nothing stopping people from doing what they need to do to fulfill their community’s needs.
I actually grew up in a pretty remote village and back then it was devoid of infrastructure, so we did pretty much what you mentioned above. Burnt the garbage in the backyard, dug trenches for drainages, built outhouses (basically just a hole in the ground, but with roof and door), dug wells for water source, etc. But the village is small and everyone know each other, and thus very willing to help each other. However, I’m having a hard time imagining similar stuff would work in a high density modern city. The sheer complexity of plumbing that service a high rise apartment can’t be maintained by some random dude without appropriate training for example.
Yeah I’m sorry but all these people who just assume you can just fix some plumbing and learn it easily are really misunderstanding the importance of specialization. I wouldn’t want my neighbor to fix my water heater without prior knowledge.
I don’t really want people doing half a dozen jobs each poorly but having enough people properly trained to do the right job while having enough spares to make sure people have free time and the needs of community is met. Each paid a fair and livable wage for their specialized contribution.
This hippy idea of a utopia in so many people’s minds about communism is not one bound to a reality that works.
That’s a different kind of plumbing than what I was talking about, and I only simplified it for the case of an example. There’s nothing preventing people to organize into a complex team of plumbing specialists, just like they would learn advanced engineering or medicine, and build chemical plants and factories or hospitals. Again, it would still be driven by need. If your need drives you to be an individual plumber for suburban homes, it can also drive you to be part of a specialist plumbing team in a large city.
I suck at plumbing and electrical work. I’ve done Painting and Sheetrock work. I’ve also done pest control, and been a Walmart janitor. I have cleaned Walmart bathrooms, and honestly it was one of my favorite jobs. When people hire you to potentially clean puke, piss, blood, and feces they pretty much don’t fuck with you. I literally cleaned all the bathrooms in about 2 hours then I would hide out. Then spend 2 hours making sure they were clean before I left, and no one ever questioned it.
I don’t mind doing gross stuff. As long as it gets me what I need, and sometimes what I want.
Everyone talk about doing the fun jobs, yet no one talk about doing the hard and necessary jobs like a plumber, garbage men, or farmer. Poops and garbage aren’t magically disappear and foods don’t magically appears except in star trek utopia.
Literally the comment above this one is talking about wanting to be a farmer because they grown good weed. A lot of people actually want to just clean up stuff. A lot of people like being a plumber. That said communism doesn’t mean everyone just does what they want.
What would I rather, collect garbage, or let garbage pile up in my house?
Probably I’ll collect garbage.
And since I’m doing it, might as well do cooperate with a couple members of my community and clean up the whole thing.
Would I rather my house pile in shit or learn plumbing? Probably the latter. And then when my neighbor is having plumbing issues, I’ll give 'em a hand.
And not everyone has to do this. My neighbor and I decide he’ll take the garbage I’ll take the plumbing. Or maybe we both learn both, and just switch.
You seem to forget that these things were born out of a need anyways. There’s nothing stopping people from doing what they need to do to fulfill their community’s needs.
I actually grew up in a pretty remote village and back then it was devoid of infrastructure, so we did pretty much what you mentioned above. Burnt the garbage in the backyard, dug trenches for drainages, built outhouses (basically just a hole in the ground, but with roof and door), dug wells for water source, etc. But the village is small and everyone know each other, and thus very willing to help each other. However, I’m having a hard time imagining similar stuff would work in a high density modern city. The sheer complexity of plumbing that service a high rise apartment can’t be maintained by some random dude without appropriate training for example.
Yeah I’m sorry but all these people who just assume you can just fix some plumbing and learn it easily are really misunderstanding the importance of specialization. I wouldn’t want my neighbor to fix my water heater without prior knowledge.
I don’t really want people doing half a dozen jobs each poorly but having enough people properly trained to do the right job while having enough spares to make sure people have free time and the needs of community is met. Each paid a fair and livable wage for their specialized contribution.
This hippy idea of a utopia in so many people’s minds about communism is not one bound to a reality that works.
That’s a different kind of plumbing than what I was talking about, and I only simplified it for the case of an example. There’s nothing preventing people to organize into a complex team of plumbing specialists, just like they would learn advanced engineering or medicine, and build chemical plants and factories or hospitals. Again, it would still be driven by need. If your need drives you to be an individual plumber for suburban homes, it can also drive you to be part of a specialist plumbing team in a large city.
I suck at plumbing and electrical work. I’ve done Painting and Sheetrock work. I’ve also done pest control, and been a Walmart janitor. I have cleaned Walmart bathrooms, and honestly it was one of my favorite jobs. When people hire you to potentially clean puke, piss, blood, and feces they pretty much don’t fuck with you. I literally cleaned all the bathrooms in about 2 hours then I would hide out. Then spend 2 hours making sure they were clean before I left, and no one ever questioned it.
I don’t mind doing gross stuff. As long as it gets me what I need, and sometimes what I want.
Poop gets beamed from the colon back to the food replicator raw material tanks.
I don’t know man all of these could be fun tbh
Idk if they wrote it after reading your comment but it was just one comment above yours, so it was a funny juxtaposition:
https://pawb.social/comment/2448182
I would collect garbage, but it should be not the only thing I do, and not for my whole lifetime.
In fact I think everyone should collect garbage for some time of their life, otherwise we would be divided in classes like we are now.