The fact that it’s only been reported by one extremist reporter, and hasn’t been confirmed or supported by anyone, including the soldiers involved, which is the biggest group to benefit by increased support of what they’re doing. If more people came out and said it, then I’d understand, but this sounds like the ravings of a loon.
“Israeli forces are gunning down Palestinian children living under occupation with increasing frequency,” said Bill Van Esveld, associate children’s rights director at Human Rights Watch.
Reading the one about the toddler, he was apparently in a car caught in a gun battle where freedom fighters were attacking the IDF. The Israelis rushed him to a hospital with a helicopter.
The first is a terrorist attack by jewish extremists, condemned by Israel.
I don’t know why you need to phrase it like its the Israeli state happily murdering children? Or compare it to attacking a village and going house to house to kill the babies
When the Palestinian gunmen stormed the kibbutz, they set fire to several homes in what had been a bustling community “to force their occupants to come out,” said Omar Barak, a 24-year-old Israeli army officer. […] “We have found many bodies inside the homes,” he said. […] “I had never seen anything worse. I broke down when I saw the bodies of two children assassinated,” he said.
The wildest claim I read was one IDF commander claiming 40 dead babies, some of them beheaded. I don’t know where you read they rounded them up or that they were all beheaded?
Anyway from the other side I haven’t read anywhere that the freedom fighters had spared the babies. If they did I’d think it would be impossible to keep covered up, so unless that happens I assume they killed the babies as well
God knows, there’s been a lot of wild claims floating around, which is why I’m pissy and trying to do my bit in pointing out disinformation.
To be clear, nobody is claiming that babies were spared. The essence of the misinformation that’s been floating around, is that HAMAS had been purposefully targeting babies specifically for mutilation and beheading. There has been zero evidence of that thus far, and circumstantial evidence in favour of the opposite (like the white house retracting Biden’s comments).
The Israel Defense Forces could not confirm a horrific claim that Hamas beheaded babies during a weekend assault, a spokesperson for the military told The Intercept on Tuesday. The claim went viral, becoming a headline-grabbing aspect of a massacre that left more than 1,000 Israelis dead.
Two senior administration officials said Biden was referring to reports from Israel about beheaded children and cited several media reports of beheadings.
As horrific as that sounds, it doesn’t look like there’s a ton of evidence for it just looking at the Lemmy front page, but feel free to provide a source.
News sources say there is more than 1000 dead. These are people who have nothing to do with politics.
It’s something different to be pro Palestine and be happy with the outcome of this attack. The second one is simply morally wrong. It’s no different for me than to say 9/11 was fine.
1000 or more dead is independently verifiable, I’m not arguing that. It’s the beheadings of children that I’m questioning. It all seems to come from one source and instead of being independently verified, it’s being questioned by other media sources. So excuse me for not wanting to spread potential misinformation.
That’s one reporter making the claim. That’s the same as saying, “I made the claim, and I swear I’m telling the truth.” A claim is not evidence, even if you’re an alleged first-hand witness.
Additional corroboration, ideally in the form of objective evidence, from an unbiased source is needed.
There must be a name for it in behavioral science, when some are faced with horrible news and automatically go into denial. I suppose that’s where conspiracy theories originate too. They have to make up a story to make themselves feel better.
All going to say, guy, that I seen and heard enough on CNN to know the story is true.
You realise the White House has actually taken the step of retracting Biden’s comments? That should give you an idea of how much stock they’re putting in those rumours
And why exactly do you think they would go to the trouble of a retraction, when they could have spent 5 seconds showing him the photos if they existed?
That’s a good question. I suppose that if the President had seen these photos then they would become part of the Presidential papers and could be gotten under the FOIA.
You’re demonstrating the problem right now by completely ignoring half the people who are being killed. I guess you don’t mind civilians being killed if they’re those people.
Where is the nuance in babies being decapitated.
The fact that it’s only been reported by one extremist reporter, and hasn’t been confirmed or supported by anyone, including the soldiers involved, which is the biggest group to benefit by increased support of what they’re doing. If more people came out and said it, then I’d understand, but this sounds like the ravings of a loon.
Next to the nuance in burning babies to death?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/7/31/palestinian-baby-burned-to-death-in-settler-attack
Or maybe it was left next to the toddler shot to death?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/6/palestinians-mourn-two-year-old-toddler-killed-by-israeli-forces
Oh wait, maybe it was left with the decades of Israel murdering children of all ages?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
Reading the one about the toddler, he was apparently in a car caught in a gun battle where freedom fighters were attacking the IDF. The Israelis rushed him to a hospital with a helicopter.
The first is a terrorist attack by jewish extremists, condemned by Israel.
I don’t know why you need to phrase it like its the Israeli state happily murdering children? Or compare it to attacking a village and going house to house to kill the babies
Source? Because the white house even retracted Biden’s comment, which tells us a lot about the veracity of those rumours.
Do you believe they spared the children?
There’s plenty of articles
Edit: having trouble inserting a link - https://www.timesofisrael.com/corpses-and-kids-bikes-burned-homes-and-death-in-kibbutz-where-hamas-butchered-100/
Nobody’s denying children died in the attack. The claim under dispute is that the terrorists collected 40 babies for a mass execution by beheading.
The wildest claim I read was one IDF commander claiming 40 dead babies, some of them beheaded. I don’t know where you read they rounded them up or that they were all beheaded?
Anyway from the other side I haven’t read anywhere that the freedom fighters had spared the babies. If they did I’d think it would be impossible to keep covered up, so unless that happens I assume they killed the babies as well
God knows, there’s been a lot of wild claims floating around, which is why I’m pissy and trying to do my bit in pointing out disinformation.
To be clear, nobody is claiming that babies were spared. The essence of the misinformation that’s been floating around, is that HAMAS had been purposefully targeting babies specifically for mutilation and beheading. There has been zero evidence of that thus far, and circumstantial evidence in favour of the opposite (like the white house retracting Biden’s comments).
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Even in your article it just cites what one Israeli settler guy claimed happened. That is not verified. That is not what verified means dude.
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K well I don’t have Twitter so
No it’s not verified at this time according to this:
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
And Biden was just echoing “news” reports
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna119865
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Lol. You just said the bombing of children is not as morally depraved as the beheading of children. Get the fuck out of here, you psychopath.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
As horrific as that sounds, it doesn’t look like there’s a ton of evidence for it just looking at the Lemmy front page, but feel free to provide a source.
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News sources say there is more than 1000 dead. These are people who have nothing to do with politics.
It’s something different to be pro Palestine and be happy with the outcome of this attack. The second one is simply morally wrong. It’s no different for me than to say 9/11 was fine.
1000 or more dead is independently verifiable, I’m not arguing that. It’s the beheadings of children that I’m questioning. It all seems to come from one source and instead of being independently verified, it’s being questioned by other media sources. So excuse me for not wanting to spread potential misinformation.
https://www.thewrap.com/journalist-reporter-israeli-child-beheadings-decapitated-babies-witness-video/
That’s one reporter making the claim. That’s the same as saying, “I made the claim, and I swear I’m telling the truth.” A claim is not evidence, even if you’re an alleged first-hand witness.
Additional corroboration, ideally in the form of objective evidence, from an unbiased source is needed.
There must be a name for it in behavioral science, when some are faced with horrible news and automatically go into denial. I suppose that’s where conspiracy theories originate too. They have to make up a story to make themselves feel better.
All going to say, guy, that I seen and heard enough on CNN to know the story is true.
You realise the White House has actually taken the step of retracting Biden’s comments? That should give you an idea of how much stock they’re putting in those rumours
They retracted that he had seen photos, not that the story is not true.
And why exactly do you think they would go to the trouble of a retraction, when they could have spent 5 seconds showing him the photos if they existed?
That’s a good question. I suppose that if the President had seen these photos then they would become part of the Presidential papers and could be gotten under the FOIA.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
You’re demonstrating the problem right now by completely ignoring half the people who are being killed. I guess you don’t mind civilians being killed if they’re those people.
The article is about leftists who celebrate the actions of Hamas.
Yes, it’s right-wing libel against the left. What’s your point?
Whoopsie, someone fell for misinformation. Did you seriously believe what a politician (Biden) said?
Well for one, some situations are true, as opposed to that one.
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
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