I stand by what I said, I don’t support any group using weapons against another group. Yes, it’s quite natural for any group to defend themselves against an attack, but that doesn’t excuse the immoral corruption of killing others, whatever the reason for it. That’s my opinion, but I stand by it. And anyone who disagrees and wishes instead to dwell in a state of violence, is free to do so.
OP can have the spare bathroom and storage room. The kitchen, bedrooms, and central living space are exclusively ours. No cooking, utilities, or guests allowed, and OP isn’t allowed to leave through any door, but if they ask nicely they can talk from the storage room doorway.
Good luck with that. Unless you have a passcode and the gate keeper lets you in, you can’t get within a mile of my home. Not by my doing, my family’s estate is on private land that is also a nature preserve, mostly closed to public entrance. We own hundreds of acres and most of it is private, so it’s a long long hike up a winding driveway to our estate - better pack a lunch with you.
I disagree. Lead and sulfur will be the facsists weapon of choice and it already is. The real cure of fascim is intelligence. Educated people are humane people. Kindness is the hallmark of a well educated person.
Yeah that’s how we beat the Nazis in ww2. We invested in their education infrastructure.
You can prevent facism from taking root with a good education sure, but once colonialism or imperialism or facism are present, violence is exceptionally good at getting rid of it.
Untrue, my friend, untrue! We didn’t invest in their education infrastructure, we went in like America always does and blasted their brains out. You can live in your world of war and violence all you want - that’s not the kind of world I want to live in.
we went in like America always does and blasted their brains out.
I know, I was being sarcastic. What is your proposed solution to facists? Because if you’re pretending that you can just get rid of them, or colonial forces, or imperial forces without violence you’re delusional. Historically that hasn’t been the case. You can’t just shut your eyes and ignore the world you live in.
I know you were being sarcastic, so was I. My proposed solution to fascists is not to become one myself. I can ensure myself and my family don’t stoop to such levels of corruption, I can fight back if I have to, I can vote them out of office - but really what else can one person do without becoming a fascist themselves. I don’t close my eyes to the world I live in - I’m an avid news reader and follower of all news networks and a constant contributor to the guest editorial section of my local paper. I do voice my views and spread whatever small influence I may have.
Ok but you’re still being kinda delusional. You want to vote hitler out? You want Vietnam and algeria and Haiti to vote the French out? Sometimes you have to use violence to stop the violence that someone else is doing.
What I’m saying is in order to stop the future growth or rise of fascism, education is important. Letting kids read about the real history of oppression and violence is absolutely vital. I’m not delusional about the idea that the current fascists in office can be defeated with intellectualism - obviously that isn’t going to work. Sometimes you do have to fight fire with fire. But I truly believe that in most instances, to have peace you have to prepare for peace, by nipping fascism in the bud through early education and open discussions.
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Not related to the Israel–Palestine conflict, but I’m curious about your perspective here:
Is this an absolute? For example, let’s say a group starts attacking another group, are they allowed to defend themselves with proportional force?
Again, I’m not trying to get your views on any conflict in particular. I just like talking about these things and broadening my beliefs :)
I stand by what I said, I don’t support any group using weapons against another group. Yes, it’s quite natural for any group to defend themselves against an attack, but that doesn’t excuse the immoral corruption of killing others, whatever the reason for it. That’s my opinion, but I stand by it. And anyone who disagrees and wishes instead to dwell in a state of violence, is free to do so.
Ok, then I’ll just move into your house. But we can reach across the divide to promote peace and learning or whatever afterwards.
OP can have the spare bathroom and storage room. The kitchen, bedrooms, and central living space are exclusively ours. No cooking, utilities, or guests allowed, and OP isn’t allowed to leave through any door, but if they ask nicely they can talk from the storage room doorway.
Good luck with that. Unless you have a passcode and the gate keeper lets you in, you can’t get within a mile of my home. Not by my doing, my family’s estate is on private land that is also a nature preserve, mostly closed to public entrance. We own hundreds of acres and most of it is private, so it’s a long long hike up a winding driveway to our estate - better pack a lunch with you.
I’ll just break the gate.
Yeah sure you will, you infantile dipwad. The guards will break your head before you have time to know they even are on your sorry ass.
Whoah whoah whoah, that’s violence! Let’s talk about this like intelligent civilized people, over tea in my new living room.
That’s, frankly, dumb.
Lead and sulfur is the only cure for fascism.
I disagree. Lead and sulfur will be the facsists weapon of choice and it already is. The real cure of fascim is intelligence. Educated people are humane people. Kindness is the hallmark of a well educated person.
Yeah that’s how we beat the Nazis in ww2. We invested in their education infrastructure.
You can prevent facism from taking root with a good education sure, but once colonialism or imperialism or facism are present, violence is exceptionally good at getting rid of it.
Untrue, my friend, untrue! We didn’t invest in their education infrastructure, we went in like America always does and blasted their brains out. You can live in your world of war and violence all you want - that’s not the kind of world I want to live in.
I know, I was being sarcastic. What is your proposed solution to facists? Because if you’re pretending that you can just get rid of them, or colonial forces, or imperial forces without violence you’re delusional. Historically that hasn’t been the case. You can’t just shut your eyes and ignore the world you live in.
I know you were being sarcastic, so was I. My proposed solution to fascists is not to become one myself. I can ensure myself and my family don’t stoop to such levels of corruption, I can fight back if I have to, I can vote them out of office - but really what else can one person do without becoming a fascist themselves. I don’t close my eyes to the world I live in - I’m an avid news reader and follower of all news networks and a constant contributor to the guest editorial section of my local paper. I do voice my views and spread whatever small influence I may have.
Ok but you’re still being kinda delusional. You want to vote hitler out? You want Vietnam and algeria and Haiti to vote the French out? Sometimes you have to use violence to stop the violence that someone else is doing.
What I’m saying is in order to stop the future growth or rise of fascism, education is important. Letting kids read about the real history of oppression and violence is absolutely vital. I’m not delusional about the idea that the current fascists in office can be defeated with intellectualism - obviously that isn’t going to work. Sometimes you do have to fight fire with fire. But I truly believe that in most instances, to have peace you have to prepare for peace, by nipping fascism in the bud through early education and open discussions.