By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26
Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.
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And people are mad at IDF for not doing a cease fire when Hamas is literally stopping humanitarian aide to the people they claim to represent for their own purposes.
Are you under the impression that people like Hamas? We can be mad at both of them.
This incident among others highlights exactly why IDF and Israel as a whole can’t commit to a cease fire for the same reasons Ukraine couldn’t just try to make peace with Russia. The agressor in both situations is only going to be satisfied when they wipe out every trace of the others existence, would you agree to a truce with someone you know is only going to use the ceasefire to find another opportunity to kill you? Hamas entire reason to be is drive a wedge between the Israeli and Palestinian people and prolong any suffering by Palestinians to justify carrying out war crimes against their neighbors with zero regard to the safety and well being of anyone not fighting for them.
The scary thing is that Israel also has a direct and clear interest in wiping out/exiling all palestinians. It’s the only way they can reasonably have access to all of what they say is their promised land. It would be ignorant of the circumstances and ignorant of history to not take this into account: Israel’s actions since its establishment have shown overwhelming disdain for the Palestinian people’s existence and to that end they have committed similar atrocities to Hamas, but with orders of magnitude more victims.
You’re leaving out the part where all of Israel’s neighbors attacked them when the country was founded. Don’t make it seem like Israel started all this shit as soon as they showed up. Part of the problem here is that Palestinians aren’t completely innocent victims—they’ve hated Jews since long before Israel was a country.
None of that justifies Israel’s war crimes, but people advocating for the Palestinians tend to portray them as completely innocent victims of Israel’s aggression, when the truth is that they have been supporting Hamas for a long time. Sadly, there aren’t really any “good” sides in this war.
I actually have the impression. It’s always “yes hamas is bad BUT…”
We’re mad at all the propaganda blaming Israel for decisions not made in a fucking vacuum.
Doing nothing has progressively made the situation worse over the past 17 years every time. Limited engagements have lost them the information war and produced severe international backlash and still not eliminated Hamas. Large scale combat operations were always going to be this bad on civilians. It always is. This isn’t counter insurgency. They are fighting a full on war and it took a massively resourced and foreign supported terrorist attack on civilians to get them to commit to it.
Additionally, they are very much an apartheid state and are overwhelmingly responsible for the meat grinder that is now Gaza.
It’s almost half an hour of fuel. For a hospital.
It’s a useless gambit by Israel to make a point.
Half hour of fuel to run every light and machine in the hospital. For critical care and high priority only its several days worth of fuel, to say nothing of how Hamas proved the IDFs point by plundering it and doing nothing for the hospital
I think the overall point that could be made is not about how useful the help is on an absolute basis, but rather how petty it is compared to the devastation that Palestinians have been subjected to for decades, regardless of the presence of terrorist activity.
The overall injustice that Israel and the IDF represents over the whole timeline is staggering. Pogroms, massacres, bulldozing homes, murder of peaceful protestors, monetary contributions to Hamas, apartheid style laws, and not to mention the now extremely prejudiced bombing of Gaza where they are cut off from resources, and cannot even freely evacuate.
Israel has historically, and now quite directly, placed the Palestinian people into an absolute meat grinder. In the context of this, sending fuel to a hospital is clearly bad faith, even if it was guaranteed to last a week instead of a day.
You can either turn the generator on or leave it off.
As someone who has worked (and sometimes still does work) in hospitals, this is not at all how it works. Critical systems have priority, and furthermore have UPS built in. This means that even half an hour of power to the hospital could allow these devices to operate for far longer.
It was probably a test run to see if it would make it to it’s destination. Would half an hour of fuel go to the hospital or would a days worth of fuel go to Hamas. Looks like the test was a success and further humanitarian efforts will be scrutinized further just thrown out the window.