First police investigation of Supernova festival also found Israeli forces responsible for some deaths.

First police investigation of Supernova festival also found Israeli forces responsible for some deaths.

  • NoneOfUrBusiness
    7•1 year ago

    And justifies the IDF bombing their own citizens because…?

    Hamas can’t be blamed for the fact that they attacked. Fighting an occupier is allowed by international law, and if that wasn’t enough Israel’s blockade of Gaza is an act of war. This means that starting 1967, and even more so since 2005, any and all military action within the bounds of international law is fair game. They can be blamed for their conduct during the attack. We know civilians were killed by Hamas, and they absolutely should be condemned for that. However, the specifics, including how many of the casualties were civilians vs IDF, how many were killed by the Hamas and how many were killed by the IDF, how many were caught up in the crossfire, those are still in fog of war territory.

    • @Syldon@feddit.ukEnglish
      1•1 year ago

      Fighting an occupier is allowed by international law,

      Slaughtering civilians is not acceptable under international law. The rest is just propaganda until you can produce data to back it up. Just stating that Israel committed blue on blue attacks is not really good enough. Even then the scale of the attacks by Hamas will have sent Israeli defence systems into turmoil. Getting confused and hitting a wrong target is pathetic, it is not a criminal offence if it is done in a national defence situation.

      • stopthatgirl7OP
        16•1 year ago

        Slaughtering civilians is not acceptable under international law.

        Please tell that to Israel, since they’re doing an awful lot of that.

        • @S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4•1 year ago

          Unfortunately you’re not a civilian if you’re dressed like one but holding an RPG.

          I’m sure you’ve seen the video of the ‘medic’, who stripped the rifle from the wounded man instead of helping him and handed it to another ‘civilian’ who was firing on something, presumably IDF forces.

          Just like the hospital losing protection once Hamas sets up in it, we’re seeing the weaponization of international laws and the complete disregard for the rules of war here and it’s fucking tragic.

          • @avater@lemmy.world
            -2•1 year ago

            Sadly this is how an this war is fought. The Hamas is no regular army, they are terrorists who can hide among civilians, but this also gives no justification for clear attacks on civilians. Israel is in a very delicate and complicated situation…

      • NoneOfUrBusiness
        1•1 year ago

        I’m not saying they’re allowed to slaughter civilians. I’m saying while we do know civilians were murdered by Hamas, and we absolutely should condemn that, we don’t know if civilians were wholesale slaughtered or not (alternatively, whether Hamas soldiers had a policy of killing unarmed civilians or not). When you include the fact that the Israeli casualties include IDF personnel and civilians the IDF killed (not accidentally, see this for more details), we need to know at least the approximate number of those people before we can assign blame. This is why I said we’re in fog of war territory.

        “Hamas attacked so all casualties are their responsibility” doesn’t check out, which is why we need to wait for the details (which still haven’t come out).

        • @Syldon@feddit.ukEnglish
          -3•1 year ago

          They created that fog of war though. Israelis would not have made any blue on blue attacks without the attack happening. We could argue all day if Hamas is directly or indirectly to blame for some of the killings, but none of them would have happened at all without the attack. It is not as if the Israelis recognised Hamas was attacking and they used it as an opportunity to kill a few more of their own is it?