In theory. In reality you’re bringing feather dusters to a nuclear bomb fight. A handful of hobbyists hosting instances with how many users? Couple hundred thousand? Against a 100 Billion dollar company with 3 Billion people? Yea good luck with that.
How do you think this works? Yes, Meta will partake in the Fediverse. No one is trying to stop that. That chart won’t get to 100% and no one cares if it does. People are just ensuring that there’s a place where Meta won’t be, and you don’t need billions to do that.
Look at a pie chart of “internet users of x type platform” from pre fediverse. If original internet dies and fedi does take off, it will be the same chart but they will be instances instead of www sites. There are still plenty of those prefacebook, premyspace forums on the www, it’s just only a few people use them.
What are we competing on exactly? Profitability? We’re not a company, we’re just a bunch of people talking among ourselves. This is like saying your casual Friday hangout with your buddies is no match for the likes of Rogers Telecom Combined International Userbase - like, by wtf metric? It’s not even a competition. They’re a company, and we’re a community.
We’ll just keep doing our thing, and if threads gets annoying then I’ll pressure my instance to block them, and if they don’t I’ll just move to a nicer place. 🤷
If it’s no big deal why the immediate talk of defederating? And if they get annoying, every one of the instances I happen to follow something on has to defederate to keep the community at the same engagement level. I can personally block instances which is great, but that’s not helpful if the community starts posting there. It’s already sometimes difficult to keep topics together across who knows how many instances, with random defederation it makes it more difficult to experience lemmy with users on different instances.
It’s just my opinion, but the reddit backend wasn’t the important part that we lost, it’s the content and community. If my instance goes to shit I can move somewhere else, but I’m disconnected from my posts, follows, etc. that’s what I care about. Not the tech. I try not to, but I can’t help but be pessimistic on the idea when I feel like the point is being missed entirely.
Nah you’re just attached to the old idea of the One Big Marketplace of Ideas, where all the saints and sinners of all the world gather 'round and hash it out. I get it. But it didn’t work out, specifically because corpos put profit over community well-being, so that’s why I’m here.
I’m sure there will be bridging or collating tools for people like you who don’t want to give up precious content just because it comes from a problematic source. Personally, I think wanting it all misses the point of real community.
What are you talking about? There’s nothing stopping corporations from coming here and doing the same exact thing they’ve gone covertly on Reddit. If Lemmy becomes popular enough it will happen. Arguably it already has from certain interests and people here are extremely naive if they think it’s not.
I think the fediverse in general has a better chance because it’s built on an anti-corporate philosophy, from the software, maintainers, admins, moderators, and much of the community (though increasingly less so, as it becomes more popular).
If you have a problem with corporate influence on Reddit, then your ability to act on it ends with your subreddit’s moderators. To the admins and owners of reddit, that kind of influence is a feature.
Hell they can even monetize it, bake it right into the DNA of the back-end, give the corps a nice little API to poll, maybe some webhooks…
That is not something I see happening on the fediverse as long as its open source and run by the community.
In theory. In reality you’re bringing feather dusters to a nuclear bomb fight. A handful of hobbyists hosting instances with how many users? Couple hundred thousand? Against a 100 Billion dollar company with 3 Billion people? Yea good luck with that.
How do you think this works? Yes, Meta will partake in the Fediverse. No one is trying to stop that. That chart won’t get to 100% and no one cares if it does. People are just ensuring that there’s a place where Meta won’t be, and you don’t need billions to do that.
Look at a pie chart of “internet users of x type platform” from pre fediverse. If original internet dies and fedi does take off, it will be the same chart but they will be instances instead of www sites. There are still plenty of those prefacebook, premyspace forums on the www, it’s just only a few people use them.
What are we competing on exactly? Profitability? We’re not a company, we’re just a bunch of people talking among ourselves. This is like saying your casual Friday hangout with your buddies is no match for the likes of Rogers Telecom Combined International Userbase - like, by wtf metric? It’s not even a competition. They’re a company, and we’re a community.
We’ll just keep doing our thing, and if threads gets annoying then I’ll pressure my instance to block them, and if they don’t I’ll just move to a nicer place. 🤷
If it’s no big deal why the immediate talk of defederating? And if they get annoying, every one of the instances I happen to follow something on has to defederate to keep the community at the same engagement level. I can personally block instances which is great, but that’s not helpful if the community starts posting there. It’s already sometimes difficult to keep topics together across who knows how many instances, with random defederation it makes it more difficult to experience lemmy with users on different instances.
It’s just my opinion, but the reddit backend wasn’t the important part that we lost, it’s the content and community. If my instance goes to shit I can move somewhere else, but I’m disconnected from my posts, follows, etc. that’s what I care about. Not the tech. I try not to, but I can’t help but be pessimistic on the idea when I feel like the point is being missed entirely.
Nah you’re just attached to the old idea of the One Big Marketplace of Ideas, where all the saints and sinners of all the world gather 'round and hash it out. I get it. But it didn’t work out, specifically because corpos put profit over community well-being, so that’s why I’m here.
I’m sure there will be bridging or collating tools for people like you who don’t want to give up precious content just because it comes from a problematic source. Personally, I think wanting it all misses the point of real community.
What are you talking about? There’s nothing stopping corporations from coming here and doing the same exact thing they’ve gone covertly on Reddit. If Lemmy becomes popular enough it will happen. Arguably it already has from certain interests and people here are extremely naive if they think it’s not.
I think the fediverse in general has a better chance because it’s built on an anti-corporate philosophy, from the software, maintainers, admins, moderators, and much of the community (though increasingly less so, as it becomes more popular).
If you have a problem with corporate influence on Reddit, then your ability to act on it ends with your subreddit’s moderators. To the admins and owners of reddit, that kind of influence is a feature.
Hell they can even monetize it, bake it right into the DNA of the back-end, give the corps a nice little API to poll, maybe some webhooks…
That is not something I see happening on the fediverse as long as its open source and run by the community.