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His original post , titled I can’t sleep, is some brilliant writing. When we talk about the chilling effect that criticism of Israel creates in industries everywhere (including ours) this is what that looks like.
Does someone know if anyone maintains a list of companies or organizations where this kind of bullshit has gone down, with link to sources? Could be useful to keep track.
I can’t believe how quickly we went from pretending we thought murdering civilians was a bad thing to concluding it’s merely a matter of killing the right civilians.
There’s a conversation going on in that Mastodon thread where one dude is proposing a static site fueled by a fact-checked list, but that’s the only thing I’ve seen other than BDS.
Thanks - here’s a direct link to the conversation, for anyone interested.
Shit, I’m on the phone over the holidays, will keep an eye on this. Thanks!
I will preface this by saying that there are risks to being openly involved.
There are people work to avoid taking actions that may benefit Israel:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions
https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
Definitely doesn’t help that most of the damn US has some form of Anti-BDS laws. Because everybody knows Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism right guys?
The US ““free market”” - Where if you choose not to do business with somebody they make it illegal not to.
Anti-Zionism and antisemitism are not the same thing, but neither are they mutually exclusive.
Anti-fascism and anti-semitims are also not mutually exclusive. Anti-communism and anti-consumerism are not mutually exclusive. Anti-war and anti-liberalism are not mutually exclusive. Anti-abortion and anti-gay rights are not mutually exclusive.
Hell, few things are mutually exclusive. You had a handful of god-damn Jewish Nazis and one fucking honorary aryan during the war. So not even Semitism and anti-Semitism are mutually fucking exclusive.
Things not being mutually exclusive is a pretty fucking moot argument.
It’s not an argument.
So what is it?
It was a statement. Why do you find it so upsetting that something antisemitic might also be called anti-Zionist?
Anti-Semitism is used for people who dislike Jews, anti-Zionism is opposition to a political ideology. One of these is deplorable, the other is vital to any non-totalitarian society, whether you agree with it or not.
By blurring the line between the two you are at best either legitimizing anti-Semitism or pushing towards a totalitarian mindset where political ideologies cannot be challenged. In reality you’re doing both. And even worse, I think you know what you’re doing.
Grear idea! I’m curious if theres an equivalent for BLM that can be forked
You are gonna want to clarify that.
If you want a precise list you need to precisely define the bullshit you’re referring to. You want a list of companies that have done what exactly?
Did we used to conduct war in a way that was safe for civilians? I’m not aware of that history. The war in Gaza looks like war to me. The same way we have been practicing it since we picked up our first sticks in anger. Murdering civilians is a consequence of war. The “good guys” fire bombed Dresden and nuked Japan.
I would give more examples but being honest I am straining to think of other wars in human history that were worth fighting. I am drawing a blank. All of it is pointless slaughter. At least in Gaza you can understand that the Israelis were provoked to war. Can’t say the same for the US in most of our wars.
The circumstances of Gaza seem to warrant them attacking their captors. I don’t support any attacks on civillians, but Israel being attacked seems to be a result of a failure on their part to make peaceful change possible.
When we start making excuses for violence we abandon any hope of a peaceful world. There is always some slight that requires reprisal which will begat further reprisal. No party in this conflict has the strength to resist. No part has the moral high ground.
Might as well hunt down Churchill and Truman’s descendants and murder them to avenge their grandfathers casting the first stones in this conflict.
No.
The Israelis say they are prosecuting a war against Hamas.
How many members of Hamas have been killed? How many remain?