That doesn’t prove anything. If I asked you to recite your own life story I could cross check it with your family and friends and it would be riddled with false memories, inconsistencies and plot holes.
I’ll save you some hassle. You can’t prove it but that doesn’t mean it’s true or false. It just means you can’t prove it. If someone makes a wild claim that some magic man from 2000 years ago could reach into the very fabric of physical reality and convert atoms from one element to another with nothing more than his mind, the onus of proof should be on the person claiming it to be true, not the person who is reasonably skeptical. Look for this in bad faith arguments, it happens often. I don’t think people mean to do it for any malicious reason they just don’t realise they gaurd and protect their beliefs rather than question them.
I am an ordinary person so the standards of evidence for my existence are very low. Even a minimum historical Jesus is an extraordinary claim that requires a precise sequence of events with multiple unrelated groups acting unusually. This is a big claim and needs more evidence.
Additionally if you asked me to tell my life story I can bring forth evidence of my claims. I have a birth certificate, a license, a diploma, a marriage license, utility bills, etc. So here I am a very insignificant person in human history and I can produce mountains of evidence for my existence. While your Messiah we only know about because of liars writing decades citing dreams as their source.
I will save you some time. All the Gospel writers were copying Mark and Mark was coping Elijiah and Paul. And Paul was having weird dreams about a celestial being. A copy of a copy of a copy with no original.
Nah I understood your humor. I just find the whole situation amusing. We have less evidence of this guy than any other person whose name we can list the passed 2,500 years or so. Heck we even have a contemporary physical record of Alexander the Great.
So much effort has been spent on trying to find him and we are in the exact same position we are in when old Albert started it a 100 years ago. All these digs, all this text analysis, all these counter arguments and yet we got nothing.
The greatest grift in human history. We got atheist scholars who reject 99% of the story but clutch for dear life the remaining 1% unwilling to just rip the band-aid off and admit that they have been had.
Interesting that the only possible way the origin story could have any truth to it is if Mary cheated, had sex with Joseph before marriage or was raped. And here we are 2000 years later, billions of hard core followers, people 100% convinced that god made a sperm, fully arranged DNA and all, appear out of nothing and inside Mary’s uterus next to or inside her egg, which if it were true is technically god raping Mary. And the religion comes with genius verses like “if the whole world believes a lie, it is still a lie.” Got to give that one some credit. I can only imagine the author giggling to himself and thinking he’s so clever or possibly drank the koolaid which is also scary
That doesn’t prove anything. If you tried to tell me about your own life I could cross check it with friends and family and it would be riddled with false memories, inconsistencies and plot holes everywhere.
I’ll save you any more hassle, you can’t prove anything. That doesn’t mean it’s true or false. It just means you can’t prove it. When someone makes up a wild claim that some magic man 2000 years ago could literally reach into the very fabric of physical reality and interact on an atomic level to convert atoms from one element to another with nothing but his mind, the onus to show real evidence should be on the person
No one can keep the facts straight about his life and evidence that should be there is missing.
That doesn’t prove anything. If I asked you to recite your own life story I could cross check it with your family and friends and it would be riddled with false memories, inconsistencies and plot holes.
I’ll save you some hassle. You can’t prove it but that doesn’t mean it’s true or false. It just means you can’t prove it. If someone makes a wild claim that some magic man from 2000 years ago could reach into the very fabric of physical reality and convert atoms from one element to another with nothing more than his mind, the onus of proof should be on the person claiming it to be true, not the person who is reasonably skeptical. Look for this in bad faith arguments, it happens often. I don’t think people mean to do it for any malicious reason they just don’t realise they gaurd and protect their beliefs rather than question them.
I am an ordinary person so the standards of evidence for my existence are very low. Even a minimum historical Jesus is an extraordinary claim that requires a precise sequence of events with multiple unrelated groups acting unusually. This is a big claim and needs more evidence.
Additionally if you asked me to tell my life story I can bring forth evidence of my claims. I have a birth certificate, a license, a diploma, a marriage license, utility bills, etc. So here I am a very insignificant person in human history and I can produce mountains of evidence for my existence. While your Messiah we only know about because of liars writing decades citing dreams as their source.
I will save you some time. All the Gospel writers were copying Mark and Mark was coping Elijiah and Paul. And Paul was having weird dreams about a celestial being. A copy of a copy of a copy with no original.
I think you missed my point but I agree with you
Nah I understood your humor. I just find the whole situation amusing. We have less evidence of this guy than any other person whose name we can list the passed 2,500 years or so. Heck we even have a contemporary physical record of Alexander the Great.
So much effort has been spent on trying to find him and we are in the exact same position we are in when old Albert started it a 100 years ago. All these digs, all this text analysis, all these counter arguments and yet we got nothing.
The greatest grift in human history. We got atheist scholars who reject 99% of the story but clutch for dear life the remaining 1% unwilling to just rip the band-aid off and admit that they have been had.
Interesting that the only possible way the origin story could have any truth to it is if Mary cheated, had sex with Joseph before marriage or was raped. And here we are 2000 years later, billions of hard core followers, people 100% convinced that god made a sperm, fully arranged DNA and all, appear out of nothing and inside Mary’s uterus next to or inside her egg, which if it were true is technically god raping Mary. And the religion comes with genius verses like “if the whole world believes a lie, it is still a lie.” Got to give that one some credit. I can only imagine the author giggling to himself and thinking he’s so clever or possibly drank the koolaid which is also scary
That doesn’t prove anything. If you tried to tell me about your own life I could cross check it with friends and family and it would be riddled with false memories, inconsistencies and plot holes everywhere.
I’ll save you any more hassle, you can’t prove anything. That doesn’t mean it’s true or false. It just means you can’t prove it. When someone makes up a wild claim that some magic man 2000 years ago could literally reach into the very fabric of physical reality and interact on an atomic level to convert atoms from one element to another with nothing but his mind, the onus to show real evidence should be on the person