I like ep7 honestly. It has problem, but it’s also…fun? Ep8 is pure nonsense(carpet bomber in space…? Jedi leia?) and it makes me drop the whole franchise. I heard ep9 is even more nonsense.
Jedi Leia has some formerly canonical basis. She should have already been a full Jedi well before ep7 even if you throw out the entire EU, as Disney did.
Resetting canon to only include the movies and shows was criminal in my opinion, since they would have literally had decades worth of scripts in those books.
that is a much more coherent opinion, and one I share completely. They absolutely should have had Leia training Rey in some capacity first, although I have to assume Fisher’s age, if not her health, may have influenced their decisions on where to take her character.
It’s long-established established canon that Leia is force-sensitive (Luke outright says as much in TLJ), and that force-pulling can be done without training (though I’m sure she picked some things up from Luke over the years). If Leia using the force caught you off-guard I’m sorry but like that was like my first expectation when I heard Leia would be in the sequels.
Also it’s so strange to me that people say it looked like Mary Poppins to them. have you never watched video of people in microgravity? it was honestly a pretty realistic depiction of how things behave in vacuum and zero-g, and I found the scene breathtaking.
My theater broke out in laughter at the scene. The problem isn’t that Leia can use the force. The problem is that it’s the only force use that moves the user, at least it’s depicted that way. There’s also the lack of vacuum in the whole scene, or did Leia also give herself a force spacesuit while being blown away?
exposure to vacuum doesn’t cause people to explosively decompress, that’s a hollywood myth and it was refreshing to see it subverted. the human body simply isn’t that pressurized, it’s feasible to survive that long in vacuum provided you get immediate care.
also, 1) the ship is massive and she’s tiny, it would look the same if she was pulling the ship towards her, 2) physics doesn’t care about the distinction because it depends on frame of reference, and 3) exerting a force on an object exerts an opposite force on you, per Newton’s first law.
you should really broaden your horizons, it was a spectacular scene and I’m sorry you aren’t literate enough to appreciate it.
The force doesn’t follow physics, if it did Yoda would have been crushed several times. If the ship did move to her, I would expect the people on the ship to notice the sudden change in direction, and all the fighters should notice as well, but no one calls it out. There’s also people just standing I’m what should be a vacuum on the ship where she lands, and those people are just fine.
The whole scene is a great example of style over substance. The repeated use of these scenes makes the movie worse.a
I’m just gonna leave aside your nonsense understanding of physics, and the way realistic physics are both good and bad for the movie accoring to what you want to nitpick next, and focus on that last bit.
When has star wars ever NOT been style over substance? When has any of it ever made good sense, or been consistent? It’s a cheesy franchise about space wizards that has been 100% Rule of Cool top to bottom since the very first installment. I think you just want to hate the movie because you were told to hate the movie.
In fairness, all the space combat in Star Wars is nonsense. It’s modeled on WW2-era dogfighting (hence the bombers), and none of it makes any sense in space.
Anything before makes some sense, but a sloooooow moving carpet bomber that only works when on top of other spacecraft? I find it hard to believe it’s mass produced, that’s where i have to suspend my logical sense on top of my disbelieve for it to make sense, and it’s only one small part of the problem.
Personally I don’t think it’s any worse than anything else in Star Wars.
Like the “blockade” formation in TPM - that would never even kind of work to shut down traffic, planets are BIG and incoming ships could simply go around the blockade ships.
Or Jango Fett’s bass bombs in episode 2 shattering asteroids with shock waves - how are they propagating with no medium to propagate through?
Or the trench run in ANH, and luke’s torpedo turning 90 degrees on a dime to go down the vent - why were they approaching from that angle in the first place? How does the torpedo just, suddenly change direction?
Or primitive teddy-bear aliens using rocks and sticks to absolutely ROFLstomp a galaxy-spanning empire armed with high-tech sci-fi superweapons in RotJ - imagine if the US failed to invaded Sentinel Island. Is that even distantly believable or realistic?
Or the way ships apparently have gravity at all times no matter what - in fact explaining it away with “artificial gravity generators” would lend itself to bombs dropped into that artificial gravity well making some kind of sense as a tactic, no?
Or lightsabers being lasers that just… stop. and are semisolid, somehow… lightsabers don’t make a single lick of sense but they look wizard af.
Or like a billion other things in Star Wars that are nonsensical but visually fantastic, because you’re not meant to think that hard about it, and most people who do seem to do so selectively based on whether they want to like the movie.
I like ep7 honestly. It has problem, but it’s also…fun? Ep8 is pure nonsense(carpet bomber in space…? Jedi leia?) and it makes me drop the whole franchise. I heard ep9 is even more nonsense.
I fell asleep watching ep1 lol.
Jedi Leia has some formerly canonical basis. She should have already been a full Jedi well before ep7 even if you throw out the entire EU, as Disney did.
Resetting canon to only include the movies and shows was criminal in my opinion, since they would have literally had decades worth of scripts in those books.
The ridiculous Mary Poppins scene was not the way to introduce Jedi Leia.
that is a much more coherent opinion, and one I share completely. They absolutely should have had Leia training Rey in some capacity first, although I have to assume Fisher’s age, if not her health, may have influenced their decisions on where to take her character.
It’s long-established established canon that Leia is force-sensitive (Luke outright says as much in TLJ), and that force-pulling can be done without training (though I’m sure she picked some things up from Luke over the years). If Leia using the force caught you off-guard I’m sorry but like that was like my first expectation when I heard Leia would be in the sequels.
Also it’s so strange to me that people say it looked like Mary Poppins to them. have you never watched video of people in microgravity? it was honestly a pretty realistic depiction of how things behave in vacuum and zero-g, and I found the scene breathtaking.
My theater broke out in laughter at the scene. The problem isn’t that Leia can use the force. The problem is that it’s the only force use that moves the user, at least it’s depicted that way. There’s also the lack of vacuum in the whole scene, or did Leia also give herself a force spacesuit while being blown away?
exposure to vacuum doesn’t cause people to explosively decompress, that’s a hollywood myth and it was refreshing to see it subverted. the human body simply isn’t that pressurized, it’s feasible to survive that long in vacuum provided you get immediate care.
also, 1) the ship is massive and she’s tiny, it would look the same if she was pulling the ship towards her, 2) physics doesn’t care about the distinction because it depends on frame of reference, and 3) exerting a force on an object exerts an opposite force on you, per Newton’s first law.
you should really broaden your horizons, it was a spectacular scene and I’m sorry you aren’t literate enough to appreciate it.
The force doesn’t follow physics, if it did Yoda would have been crushed several times. If the ship did move to her, I would expect the people on the ship to notice the sudden change in direction, and all the fighters should notice as well, but no one calls it out. There’s also people just standing I’m what should be a vacuum on the ship where she lands, and those people are just fine.
The whole scene is a great example of style over substance. The repeated use of these scenes makes the movie worse.a
I’m just gonna leave aside your nonsense understanding of physics, and the way realistic physics are both good and bad for the movie accoring to what you want to nitpick next, and focus on that last bit.
When has star wars ever NOT been style over substance? When has any of it ever made good sense, or been consistent? It’s a cheesy franchise about space wizards that has been 100% Rule of Cool top to bottom since the very first installment. I think you just want to hate the movie because you were told to hate the movie.
In fairness, all the space combat in Star Wars is nonsense. It’s modeled on WW2-era dogfighting (hence the bombers), and none of it makes any sense in space.
Anything before makes some sense, but a sloooooow moving carpet bomber that only works when on top of other spacecraft? I find it hard to believe it’s mass produced, that’s where i have to suspend my logical sense on top of my disbelieve for it to make sense, and it’s only one small part of the problem.
Personally I don’t think it’s any worse than anything else in Star Wars.
Like the “blockade” formation in TPM - that would never even kind of work to shut down traffic, planets are BIG and incoming ships could simply go around the blockade ships.
Or Jango Fett’s bass bombs in episode 2 shattering asteroids with shock waves - how are they propagating with no medium to propagate through?
Or the trench run in ANH, and luke’s torpedo turning 90 degrees on a dime to go down the vent - why were they approaching from that angle in the first place? How does the torpedo just, suddenly change direction?
Or primitive teddy-bear aliens using rocks and sticks to absolutely ROFLstomp a galaxy-spanning empire armed with high-tech sci-fi superweapons in RotJ - imagine if the US failed to invaded Sentinel Island. Is that even distantly believable or realistic?
Or the way ships apparently have gravity at all times no matter what - in fact explaining it away with “artificial gravity generators” would lend itself to bombs dropped into that artificial gravity well making some kind of sense as a tactic, no?
Or lightsabers being lasers that just… stop. and are semisolid, somehow… lightsabers don’t make a single lick of sense but they look wizard af.
Or like a billion other things in Star Wars that are nonsensical but visually fantastic, because you’re not meant to think that hard about it, and most people who do seem to do so selectively based on whether they want to like the movie.