Sure sounds like Trump is a big threat. I may not know much but it seems like cutting off arms supply to Israel would be a bargain if it means this guy doesn’t get elected again. I’m sure some moderate will come in and educate me on why they should get to have their cake and eat it too.
Stop equivocating. There’s no tomorrow after this. Short sighted. I’m starting to despise people like you as we get closer to the election. And before you try to debate me, THIS POST IS A FORUM ABOUT THE THREAT OF A TRUMP VICTORY. No response of yours refutes the fact you’re steering the conversation. You’re working toward a Trump victory no matter what you claim your motivation for your comment.
I’m not equivocating. I’m saying if the situation is this dire then surely cutting off arms supply to Israel is a fucking bargain isn’t it?
It’s time to compromise with leftists and progressives. If you won’t do it now when “there’s no tomorrow after this” then you never will. Make a choice.
Are leftists a minor wing that’s too small to be compromised with? Because if so it’s impossible for us to hold democracy hostage. Moderates are the majority voting bloc. They bear the lions share of the responsibility for any outcome. They elected Joe Biden in the primaries, they’re responsible for how he does in the general elections.
Seriously. Purported progressives acting like domestic terrorists thinking they’re better than hippie anti vaxer moms showing up at the same rallies as nazis. I’m a fucking actual progressive. That’s why I’m compromising with Biden to keep us on oxygen. I can’t stand these fucking imbeciles…
I think Biden makes compromises. That’s the leftists argument against him. But here he’s probably weighing the cost of pissing off a Jewish block of support and leftists.
I also doubt it’s much of a choice. The leftist won’t support him regardless because he’s not bernie sanders.
Shut the fuck up about the Jews. Every American Jew I know hates what’s happening in Gaza and wants it to stop now. You’re talking to one. Stop reading fucking headlines. You sound like a right winger. Want to rub my horns to find the space lasers?
Nah don’t end the conversation now buddy. Democracy is about compromise right? I gave you an example of leftists and progressives compromising now surely these moderates compromised somewhere right? It’s not like the majority voting bloc would be so selfish and stupid as to risk losing democracy rather than give up anything? Right? Right?
People need to start hounding moderates that it’s their turn to compromise. They’ve dominated the party for so long they think they can just elect whoever they want in the primaries, refuse to compromise and blame somebody else.
The reality of the situation is that there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are progressives. They have the bargaining power. If we refuse to compromise, they can just turn to independents and moderates (overall moderates, not Democrats). So we’re left with three scenarios:
Get the best possible bargain and compromise we can, vote against the common fascist evil.
Refuse the deal. Moderate Democrats instead try to pander to the center, and if they win, they move to appease the center allies.
Refuse the deal. Democrats pander to center, but they lose. The fascists win instead and push us further right.
The only way to not move further right is to negotiate for the best deal we can, and take it. Plus, we have seen some progressive initiatives in return, like the IRA (happy to give my spiel on this) and a corporate minimum tax that eliminates loopholes.
I know this isn’t ideal. But we don’t hold the necessary power – yet. My long term strategy is continuing to work with Democrats until the Republican party is no longer a threat. It’s vulnerable, and a decisive loss in 2024 could be enough to fracture the party into irrelevance. Once they’re tiny enough that we’re safe, the Democrats and Progressives split into separate parties. Once enough Boomers die off and Zoomers are mostly all able to vote, progressives should have the numbers to rival moderate Democrats, if not eclipse them.
It’s going to take a lot of time, but I think this is the best case scenario to work towards. If we want to have serious economic changes, we need to first hold strong and defeat the party that constantly tries to fuck with social rights.
They really aren’t worth the time. They probably aren’t even a real person. If you look at their post history its literally nothing but FUD aimed at getting trump elected. Hundreds of posts every day. They either aren’t very well (unlikely), or they are an agent of some kind. Don’t feed the troll.
Actually it’s you who doesn’t matter. You’ll vote for Biden regardless of what he does. I will only vote for Biden again if he cuts off arms for Israel and promises to veto any attempts to block the rail strike in his next term.
I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be repeating this over and over right up until election day. So if Biden loses and you all are like “oh my God this is awful how could this have been avoided” there’s gonna be a pile of evidence showing how it could have been avoided and thousands of responses just like yours rejecting it.
You would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists or progressives.
Sure sounds like Trump is a big threat. I may not know much but it seems like cutting off arms supply to Israel would be a bargain if it means this guy doesn’t get elected again. I’m sure some moderate will come in and educate me on why they should get to have their cake and eat it too.
Stop equivocating. There’s no tomorrow after this. Short sighted. I’m starting to despise people like you as we get closer to the election. And before you try to debate me, THIS POST IS A FORUM ABOUT THE THREAT OF A TRUMP VICTORY. No response of yours refutes the fact you’re steering the conversation. You’re working toward a Trump victory no matter what you claim your motivation for your comment.
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I’m not equivocating. I’m saying if the situation is this dire then surely cutting off arms supply to Israel is a fucking bargain isn’t it?
It’s time to compromise with leftists and progressives. If you won’t do it now when “there’s no tomorrow after this” then you never will. Make a choice.
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Are leftists a minor wing that’s too small to be compromised with? Because if so it’s impossible for us to hold democracy hostage. Moderates are the majority voting bloc. They bear the lions share of the responsibility for any outcome. They elected Joe Biden in the primaries, they’re responsible for how he does in the general elections.
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Seriously. Purported progressives acting like domestic terrorists thinking they’re better than hippie anti vaxer moms showing up at the same rallies as nazis. I’m a fucking actual progressive. That’s why I’m compromising with Biden to keep us on oxygen. I can’t stand these fucking imbeciles…
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Sounds like you’d rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists.
I think Biden makes compromises. That’s the leftists argument against him. But here he’s probably weighing the cost of pissing off a Jewish block of support and leftists.
I also doubt it’s much of a choice. The leftist won’t support him regardless because he’s not bernie sanders.
Shut the fuck up about the Jews. Every American Jew I know hates what’s happening in Gaza and wants it to stop now. You’re talking to one. Stop reading fucking headlines. You sound like a right winger. Want to rub my horns to find the space lasers?
“Want to rub my horns to find the space lasers? “
Pretty sure there’s an OF niche market for that.
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You think Joe Biden won the 2020 general election without the help of leftists and progressives?
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yes, even a so-called third party has a remote chance.
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Are you under the impression Biden won the 2020 general election without the help of progressives and leftists?
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So you are aware progressives and leftists compromised and voted for Biden in the 2020 general election.
Surely that means it’s time for moderates and Biden to compromise yes?
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Nah don’t end the conversation now buddy. Democracy is about compromise right? I gave you an example of leftists and progressives compromising now surely these moderates compromised somewhere right? It’s not like the majority voting bloc would be so selfish and stupid as to risk losing democracy rather than give up anything? Right? Right?
This would be the progressive dream. Not arming Israel and Trump losing is having my cake and eating it too. It’d be a dream come true.
People need to start hounding moderates that it’s their turn to compromise. They’ve dominated the party for so long they think they can just elect whoever they want in the primaries, refuse to compromise and blame somebody else.
The reality of the situation is that there are a lot more moderate Democrats than there are progressives. They have the bargaining power. If we refuse to compromise, they can just turn to independents and moderates (overall moderates, not Democrats). So we’re left with three scenarios:
Get the best possible bargain and compromise we can, vote against the common fascist evil.
Refuse the deal. Moderate Democrats instead try to pander to the center, and if they win, they move to appease the center allies.
Refuse the deal. Democrats pander to center, but they lose. The fascists win instead and push us further right.
The only way to not move further right is to negotiate for the best deal we can, and take it. Plus, we have seen some progressive initiatives in return, like the IRA (happy to give my spiel on this) and a corporate minimum tax that eliminates loopholes.
I know this isn’t ideal. But we don’t hold the necessary power – yet. My long term strategy is continuing to work with Democrats until the Republican party is no longer a threat. It’s vulnerable, and a decisive loss in 2024 could be enough to fracture the party into irrelevance. Once they’re tiny enough that we’re safe, the Democrats and Progressives split into separate parties. Once enough Boomers die off and Zoomers are mostly all able to vote, progressives should have the numbers to rival moderate Democrats, if not eclipse them.
It’s going to take a lot of time, but I think this is the best case scenario to work towards. If we want to have serious economic changes, we need to first hold strong and defeat the party that constantly tries to fuck with social rights.
thank you for doing the hard work
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Surely you can set me straight with a lecture about compromise or something.
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They really aren’t worth the time. They probably aren’t even a real person. If you look at their post history its literally nothing but FUD aimed at getting trump elected. Hundreds of posts every day. They either aren’t very well (unlikely), or they are an agent of some kind. Don’t feed the troll.
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Sounds like you think Biden can win the 2024 general election without our votes then. Good luck.
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Actually it’s you who doesn’t matter. You’ll vote for Biden regardless of what he does. I will only vote for Biden again if he cuts off arms for Israel and promises to veto any attempts to block the rail strike in his next term.
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I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be repeating this over and over right up until election day. So if Biden loses and you all are like “oh my God this is awful how could this have been avoided” there’s gonna be a pile of evidence showing how it could have been avoided and thousands of responses just like yours rejecting it.
You would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists or progressives.
he won without my vote in 2020. Jill Stein says the greens could hit 5% this year.