Three men were arrested Saturday after the gang rape of a Spanish tourist on a motorbike trip through India's remote east with her husband, local media reports said.
Designate India as an “unsafe” tourist destination and suggest people travel elsewhere instead. Advise businesses to avoid sending staff there for any reason and recommend (not mandate) that they look at reducing trade and presence there.
I’m no economist, so I have no idea how blunt that instrument is or how it would affect domestic or Indian economies, but it’s an idea…
“Foreigners, especially women traveling alone or in small groups, are occasionally affected by violent, including sexual, attacks, including in tourist centers. Drugs or knockout drops are sometimes administered through drinks.”
Isn’t that essentially what articles like this are? They’re spreading awareness of the dangers. Without getting into international politics, which is a murky thing
It’s easy for the rest of the world to do something about Japan’s whale killing. You send your ships out into the international waters where it was happening to protect the whales. (And, for what it’s worth, “the rest of the world” didn’t do all that much about it. Independent organisations did so in a legally grey act of essentially vigilantism.)
It’s much, much harder to do something about what’s happening within a country’s own territorial boundaries.
I mean, people certainly should do what they can, and those trying should be commended for tehir effort. It’s just that the ability to have any meaningful impact is inevitably going to be very limited, so you shouldn’t expect it to have much of an effect.
It’s not an unpopular opinion. What’s unpopular is the idea that I as an Australian, or you as an American, can do anything meaningful to change this. Or even that our governments can. They can and should provide some political pressure (possibly in the form of not doing photoshoots with India’s Prime Minister*—which should frankly already be the case based on a whole host of other human rights abuses), but when a country has such a huge internal cultural issue, you can’t expect external pressure to actually fix the problem. That has to come from within.
I’m very disappointed that this person deleted all of their comments because I am quite curious to know what bizarre arguments they were trying to make based on your responses.
Genuinely, I’m also disappointed that @Mastengwe@lemm.ee deleted their comments. But not for the reason you might think.
I have enormous respect for the argument they were presenting. It wasn’t one that I entirely agreed with, but it was coming from a good place, and honestly it helped me refine my own view and I ended up in a place that’s probably better than where I started. From memory, their tone might have been a little more argumentative than strictly necessary, but that’s hardly the worst thing in the world.
That is something that has the possibility of being immensely helpful, provided the cooperation of a substantial portion of the Indian population and the entirety of the Indian government. I truly wish there was something that could be done about from where I stand, but the problem is extremely ingrained and, in some ways, endemic to that culture.
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What measures would you propose the rest of the world to take?
Designate India as an “unsafe” tourist destination and suggest people travel elsewhere instead. Advise businesses to avoid sending staff there for any reason and recommend (not mandate) that they look at reducing trade and presence there.
I’m no economist, so I have no idea how blunt that instrument is or how it would affect domestic or Indian economies, but it’s an idea…
Can’t speak for other countries, but Germany explicitly warns about the danger of sexual violence: Ausländer, insbesondere allein oder in kleinen Gruppen reisende Frauen, sind vereinzelt von gewaltsamen, auch sexuellen Übergriffen betroffen, auch in Touristenzentren. Dazu werden teilweise Drogen oder K.-o.-Tropfen über Getränke verabreicht.
“Foreigners, especially women traveling alone or in small groups, are occasionally affected by violent, including sexual, attacks, including in tourist centers. Drugs or knockout drops are sometimes administered through drinks.”
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Isn’t that essentially what articles like this are? They’re spreading awareness of the dangers. Without getting into international politics, which is a murky thing
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It’s easy for the rest of the world to do something about Japan’s whale killing. You send your ships out into the international waters where it was happening to protect the whales. (And, for what it’s worth, “the rest of the world” didn’t do all that much about it. Independent organisations did so in a legally grey act of essentially vigilantism.)
It’s much, much harder to do something about what’s happening within a country’s own territorial boundaries.
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I mean, people certainly should do what they can, and those trying should be commended for tehir effort. It’s just that the ability to have any meaningful impact is inevitably going to be very limited, so you shouldn’t expect it to have much of an effect.
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It’s not an unpopular opinion. What’s unpopular is the idea that I as an Australian, or you as an American, can do anything meaningful to change this. Or even that our governments can. They can and should provide some political pressure (possibly in the form of not doing photoshoots with India’s Prime Minister*—which should frankly already be the case based on a whole host of other human rights abuses), but when a country has such a huge internal cultural issue, you can’t expect external pressure to actually fix the problem. That has to come from within.
I’m very disappointed that this person deleted all of their comments because I am quite curious to know what bizarre arguments they were trying to make based on your responses.
Genuinely, I’m also disappointed that @Mastengwe@lemm.ee deleted their comments. But not for the reason you might think.
I have enormous respect for the argument they were presenting. It wasn’t one that I entirely agreed with, but it was coming from a good place, and honestly it helped me refine my own view and I ended up in a place that’s probably better than where I started. From memory, their tone might have been a little more argumentative than strictly necessary, but that’s hardly the worst thing in the world.
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That is something that has the possibility of being immensely helpful, provided the cooperation of a substantial portion of the Indian population and the entirety of the Indian government. I truly wish there was something that could be done about from where I stand, but the problem is extremely ingrained and, in some ways, endemic to that culture.
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I’m doing my part by never going to that shit hole.