An Australian museum excluded men from an exhibit to highlight misogyny. A man sued for access and won.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/mkwF8

  • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    -13
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    I think the reasoning is that since having a job is essential for almost everyone, by making it illegal to have a job in which one may refuse to deal with members of a protected class, the government is effectively compelling everyone who needs a job to deal with them, which might be seen as a form of forced labor.

      • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        -3
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        From the libertarian point of view, being compelled to do something is bad even if that thing itself isn’t all that difficult or unpleasant. I’m a pretty stubborn, libertarian-leaning person myself and I would resent doing even all my favorite things in the world if the government were making me do them.

        I still wouldn’t make the comparison to slavery myself, but I think that most people are missing how much anti-discrimination laws actually do restrict freedom of speech and of association because most people weren’t going to engage in that sort of speech/association anyway. I would compare them to laws against boycotting Israel.

        • @zaph@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          28 months ago

          I still wouldn’t make the comparison to slavery myself

          You’re the one who made the comparison to it being slavery? There are plenty of things you’re not allowed to say, why are you fighting against this instead of the right to make bomb threats?

          • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            -3
            edit-2
            8 months ago

            No I’m not, @quindraco@lemm.ee is. As for bomb threats, the violate the non-aggression principle in a way that simply choosing to peacefully opt out of interacting with a person or group of people does not.

            (And, for the record, I think that the Civil Rights Act in the USA is, on the whole, a good thing. I just don’t think it’s costless.)

            • @zaph@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              28 months ago

              I replied to you because you defended their position. So yes you are.

              Who do you propose should enforce this non-aggression principle? And why do you think it’s okay to tell someone what to say just because you find it aggressive? Just admit you’re fine with limiting my freedom of speech you just think racists should be allowed to say what they wish as long as it isn’t your definition of aggressive and move on.

        • @bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          18 months ago

          how about having to wear out body and mind to earn money to not be excluded from the wealth society has produced? Or is that the part you gladly submit to?

          • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            -18 months ago

            Libertarians don’t see it in those terms. Wealth doesn’t belong to society, and therefore there’s no implication that all members of society are entitled to it. Not having any wealth sucks and so does having to do onerous work in order to survive, but it’s easy to imagine how if you were rich, you wouldn’t want your money taken away and given to the poor, and so it’s hard to fault the rich for feeling that way too.

    • @wahming
      link
      English
      48 months ago

      I’m not seeing a problem with ‘treat people as people regardless of their skin colour’.

    • @Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      18 months ago

      Jobs having responsibilities is nothing new. If you don’t like the responsibilities of a particular job, get a different one.