• ivy
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    Lol you clearly don’t understand what I’m saying. Yes, and there are other meta-analyses of aphantasia studies which explore how bad the data is. You can also have a meta-analysis that says “wow, look at all of this data, isn’t it amazing?” you only want to do B. Our whole definition of a healthy individual is flawed. When testosterone levels drop nationwide, that becomes the new normal threshold for people administering testosterone therapy, for instance. Everyone has sleep problems from a sedentary lifestyle nowadays, starting in school, and that’s when they get diagnosed with ADHD.

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      and there are other meta-analyses of aphantasia studies which explore how bad the data is.

      Multiple of the studies (including ones I linked) suggest that there isn’t as much data on the subject as there is on other disorders since mental imagery has only recently started being explored in-depth, but where exactly do you see any that suggest that aphantasia isn’t real or that the lack of data establishes no consensus on the existence of aphantasia? Because a “debunking” would do that, but all of the meta-analyses I’ve come across still accept the existence of aphantasia as a chronic disorder.

      Pretty funny how you make these grandiose claims but never have a source. Your only source is Reddit threads on people saying it’s not real lol.

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        it’s fine for the data to be dogshit and ethereal because the science is new

        wow just like string theory. the enshittification of science has been going on since the 90s man

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          Much of the data is good. It’s good data with good methodology that is very clearly explained. It is literally just not as high in volume as most other disorders.

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            It’s about as interesting as studies on what people’s favorite color is. I find the whole shebang embarrassing, glad everyone justified their paycheck, sincerely, people shouldn’t have to do that and should be free to research cool shit

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              Well what you think about things isn’t important because you have no say in the matter and can’t find a source that agrees with anything you say.

              You made a claim that “ADHD and aphantasia are caused by living an unhealthy lifestyle”. You’ve been pretty loud about how you want better evidence, so where’s your evidence for your claim? This is clearly something that would need real evidence on for you to state it as a fact. Where is it? Why do you think you’re exempt from having “good research” proving that X claim is true? You keep talking about this “debunking” but you have not even a singular source that affirms anything you’ve said here.

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                If you’re seriously asking me whether healthy eating and sleeping are on the front lines of treatment against ADHD then I think that’s itself an admission you have zero familiarity with these things save for your wikipedia reply guy binges.

                The fact that treatment is coming around more to working on environmental and behavioral factors (rather than throwing random stimulants at kids to see what happens and how much money we can make pharma monopolies) is proof that it’s just a product of unnatural pressures being placed on kids. We just need more education funding instead of tax cuts for pharma executives. Kids need better lesson plans, more engaging education, a structured environment, there are a lot of positive examples we can look to for treatment of these issues rather than pretending diet, exercise, sleep and boredom don’t exist.

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                  If you’re seriously asking me whether healthy eating and sleeping are on the front lines of treatment against ADHD then I think that’s itself an admission you have zero familiarity with these things save for your wikipedia reply guy binges.

                  LMAO caught in your lie you dumbass. First you said that ADHD is caused by poor eating habits and lack of exercise, and now that you get confronted on that you shift your tone of voice and argument to “improving your lifestyle habits is used to treat ADHD”. No shit sherlock, I’ve said that in this thread.

                  The fact that treatment is coming around more to working on environmental and behavioral factors (rather than throwing random stimulants at kids to see what happens and how much money we can make pharma monopolies)

                  You can have both, having both is actually extremely effective at treating ADHD compared to just one, psychiatry researchers know that medicine isn’t a cure.

                  is proof that it’s just a product of unnatural pressures being placed on kids.

                  Yeah no you’re bullshitting so hard right now. You keep nagging me for different evidence, hoping I don’t provide it, yet when you make outrageous assertions like this you don’t actually have a source backing you.

                  We just need more education funding

                  Plenty of people with ADHD are extremely well-educated, do you think people with ADHD just can’t be healthy or educated? Some of the most successful people on the planet have ADHD, Bill Gates included.

                  instead of tax cuts for pharma executives.

                  This is just something that’s generally true, not specific to ADHD.

                  Kids need better lesson plans, more engaging education, a structured environment, there are a lot of positive examples we can look to for treatment of these issues

                  Plenty of people with ADHD have this. They still have ADHD. This is literally part of how ADHD may be treated in many cases my guy, you’rr acting like ADHD treatment doesn’t exist or that people who undergo it stop having ADHD.

                  rather than pretending diet, exercise, sleep and boredom don’t exist.

                  Except ADHD isn’t caused by a lack of a good diet, excercise, sleep, or boredom, it is well established in psychiatry literature that these can present as symptoms, and that laziness doesn’t “cause” ADHD; and you clearly know your claims are bullshit too since you have no source.

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        prove aphantasia doesn’t exist

        Prove god doesn’t exist you little weasel

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          I don’t need to prove that “God doesn’t exist” if there’s no scientific proof that God exists. But there is much scientific proof which draws the conclusion of aphantasia existing.