This is an opportunity for any users, server admins, or interested third parties to ask anything they’d like to @nutomic@lemmy.ml and I about Lemmy. This includes its development and future, as well as wider issues relevant to the social media landscape today.

Note: This will be the thread tmrw, so you can use this thread to ask and vote on questions beforehand.

Original Announcement thread

  • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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    421 year ago

    The instance list is fine as is. Think about it like this: do you want racists to join a single instance so they are all in one place? Or do you want them to spread across all different instances, causing moderation problems everywhere?

    • @Menu@slrpnk.net
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      371 year ago

      Yes, I think it would be best if they would all gather on one instance that can get defederated. Right now they attract users on join-lemmy with “Use humor and facts to hold the ruling class accountable”, no other info.

        • @BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          I think you got downvoted because people were not looking for a way to make it ok for the racist instances to stay on join-lemmy.

          I am not really familiar with shadowbannig, but users could just check their posts from another instance and find out about the ban.

    • Gaywallet (they/it)
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      1 year ago

      And if the racist is here to cause problems rather than commiserate with fellow racists, they now know exactly which community to avoid, thus restoring moderation problems everywhere. I don’t think anyone is asking you to moderate every instance to ensure they are sticking to your TOS or your viewpoints, but it’s a very minor ask to not showcase off the racists and transphobes and bigots on the ‘join this platform’ page.

      • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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        41 year ago

        There are plenty of other instance lists across the internet. So its not even a real solution for your theoretical problem.

        • Gaywallet (they/it)
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          1 year ago

          I don’t think the people raising this as a concern are trying to solve the problem of bigots on the internet; they are just asking for you to change the advertising you provide to remove the bigots from a place of visibility.

          • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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            41 year ago

            And then we should block lemmygrad, lemmy.world, hexbear and hundreds of other instances? Thats not gonna happen. If you want to block instances, do that on the beehaw side.

            • Gaywallet (they/it)
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              I’m not here to proselytize about what we decide to block or not. I’m explaining what the person above is requesting - not a block, but a conscious decision about what shows up on the join-lemmy list.

              • Metal Zealot
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                -11 year ago

                I’m new to the fediverse, and even I can tell you’re missing the point.

            • @heavyboots@lemmy.ml
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              11 year ago

              This brings up an interesting point. On Mastodon, besides Block User, there is also a Block Instance option. Will we ever see that on Lemmy? Seems like an easy way to resolve what has been a big issue for me (and obviously other people too).

              Aka, you don’t really want to start over on another instance (hey, not migration tools yet!) but you also don’t really want to see posts from a specific server any more. Rather than people having to lobby the server admins about whether or not to defederate, wouldn’t it just be easier to allow user-level instance blocking? (I know I say “just” while knowing zip about how hard that as in the back end, but yes, from a logistics perspective, seems like you could make a lot of spam-level requests leave the admin’s plates by implementing this.)

      • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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        51 year ago

        Thats fine, they can provide their own list of instances where users can choose from.

        • @Menu@slrpnk.net
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          1 year ago

          They are on your list (which is seen as the official one by many and has most visits) to guide transphobes and fascists to their fitting community?? Exploding-heads is not labeled as transphobe and fascist on join-lemmy. So that does’t make sense.

    • stebo
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      151 year ago

      i would rather want the racists to not be able to go anywhere at all

      • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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        211 year ago

        It doesnt really matter what you want. The software is open source so anyone can use the software freely. No way to prevent it.

        • stebo
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          321 year ago

          yea sure there will always be racist instances but they shouldn’t be promoted on sites like join-lemmy.org