Meanwhile Windows; Hi, you saved a file earlier? Let’s search for it. Nope, can’t find it, do you want to search Bing? No? [A few minutes later] Ooo, so sorry you’re offline and can’t download it. Too bad.
Ios; you want to open the file in an app? OK, click 7 buttons and we’ll make a local copy stored in the app’s specific folder you didn’t know existed.
Chrome; what’s a file?
Linux; which file browser would you like to use today?
Windows is more like, oh that file you saved earlier? Yeah we moved that to OneDrive. You want it back? Sorry didn’t pay your OneDrive subscription fee, so you don’t actually have that file anymore. Hope it wasn’t something irreplaceable like your kid’s baby photos or anything lol.
I use Windows and have never encountered what you are describing.
none of my files have ever been ‘moved’ to OneDrive and none of my files that are on OneDrive have ever been locked behind a paywall.
If you save some files on the desktop or documents, and OneDrive activates it’s backups later, it will forcefully move your files to the cloud.
And if you’re not a paying customer and have gigabytes of data, it will shit itself midway to bark at you to pay up because your free 5Gb is up.
Now, a normal, regarded dumbass (the target audience) would just pay the tax, but if you have an IQ above that of average coral reef you can take your data back by quitting onedrive, copying everything back, and disabling onedrive backup.
Well we all know OneDrive cost money but like you get 5 or 10GB free, and even then if you go over I’m 99% sure those files just stay on your PC.
But the moving files thing feels real. I remember testing out Fedora one time with a classmate who was trying to convince me to switch, and for some reason, even though I direct all downloads to the download folder, it was in my OneDrive somehow. So when my VM tried installing the iso, it was taking a million years to pull it from OneDrive.
Similarly, I didn’t realize my Documents folder was backed up on the Cloud, so I had to find the dumbass settings to turn off backups for documents and other shit besides pictures. This is one of those moments where I understand why Linux users love a CLI, because Microsoft’s menus are stupid to navigate sometimes.
The worst offender that I never managed to figure out was my ShareX files. It would save locally, but then switch to OneDrive for no reason, so my config and shortcuts would be lost, and the auto backups would also be lost. I fought with that thing for months, and only gave up cause I moved to Fedora Silverblue, in which Linux unfortunately has no app that is nearly as good as ShareX.
I often see people saying stuff like this that I never run into. I wonder if the difference is whether your OS is tied to a Microsoft account or not. I used an exploit to bypass the account requirement when I set up Windows 11.
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You are just making shit up 🤣
Just pathetic stuff, missing up stories to simp for an OS.
Linux:
ls
cd directory
ls
cd directory2
ls
cd directory3 …
Oh boy do I have a
treeto sell youOn linux you don’t search, you
findThat’s a good one :)
Linux
the default one that comes with every distro and opens by default when i want to find files.
its only a problem if you fiddle with installing more file browsers
Use a system indexer like Listary or Everything and you never have to worry about finding a file ever again, just type its name and it’ll be the first result
Everything is fantastic. Plus it can be integrated (somewhat) into Classic Shell’s search.
Funni, cause the comment below from AstralPath and lightnsfw tells a different story
Not my fault they choose to Linux on hard mode :p
I really do wish that more packages on Linux had installation paths clearly noted in a readme.
I’ve been using Linux daily for over a year now and I still have a hard time tracking down config files and install paths. Its just not one of those tasks I do regularly so I always forget best practices when trying to find stuff. The CLI always gives me the best results but getting the commands right can be tedious.
I’ve started saving useful commands in a note on my desktop.
i just give up after a couple of minutes if it isn’t somewhere obvious and then search my whole system with grep lmao.
how wonderful to live in a world where compute is so cheap.
Amateur. I read the source on GitHub to see where it’s saving that shit.
Which readme?
The one on the github that has out of date instructions and tells you to check the discord?
The 6 year out-of-date one on your distro’s wiki?
or The gnu-info/manpage that is only for the original upstream and doesn’t tell you where all the files have been moved or that half of the software isn’t actually installed since it was split out into extra packages for justdebianthings
To be honest, sounds like you aren’t using arch btw. Jk I have the same issues on arch
Do I really need to remind this is free software made by benevolent developers? I get it it’s infuriating but it’s still in some way a gift you were given and seem unhappy with.
If you give me a 1000 piece puzzle for free, but without the instructions or a box picture to go off of, you’ve done a nice thing by gifting me something but have also failed miserably as I’ll never fuckin solve that puzzle
Terrible analogy honestly. Feel free to not use this software, nobody will ever force you to use it.
This is not software to entertain you. It’s a tool that you don’t understand how to use and choose to blame the people building it for free.
It’s a tool that you don’t understand how to use and choose to blame the people
building it for freefailing to properly document their tool.Ftfy
Just because it’s provided free doesn’t mean you’re off the hook for not telling people how it works, dumbass
dpkg -L package-nameOr the inverse
dpkg -S /usr/bin/somefileFor apt based distros, obviously.
I just tried this with Samba (so
dpkg -L sambaanddpkg -S samba, and I also tried addinggrep "smb.conf"and running it with sudo) and I was unable to find the share config file.It’s located under
/etc/samba/smb.confbut that command was returning a path under my local user. This is on UbuntuYou might want to look into the locate package (it might be called mlocate) if you can’t find a file. It can be helpful.
dpkg -Srequires a full path like the example I gave.dpkg -L sambashould work fine. What is the error you got?No error or anything, but it just doesn’t have the
/etc/samba/smb.conffile. Just doesn’t have it.dpkg -S sambadoes find/usr/share/samba/smb.confwhich isn’t the right file either.You’re confusing the command again
-L, --listfiles package-name... List files installed to your system from package-name. -S, --search filename-search-pattern... Search for a filename from installed packages.dpkg -S /my/file/pathFinds which, installed, package installed the file.
dpkg -L samba | grep .confGreps through the list of files installed by a given package.
If the file you want isn’t in there then it wasn’t installed by the package itself (could be created on the fly by the binary for example), in which case obviously the package system can’t track it.
Oh I see, this command didn’t really do what I wanted it to do then. I just wanted to be able to see the locations of any files associated with a program. If I knew the file path I could just find them haha
dpkg -L PACKAGE_NAMEdoes what you want. In my initial reply I mentioned thatdpkg -Sis the inverse.
I’ve started saving useful commands in a note on my desktop.
Great idea
hard time tracking down config files
Usually under ~/.config/<app> or ~/.local/share/<app>
Often also in /etc/
Or ~/.<app>
As a long time linux user, I think all programs should have a config gui. (Not all, but you get what I mean)
I think it should be GUI config or detailed man page/readme. The amount of assumed end-user knowledge by devs is way too high.
I usually start inotifywatch with read events, open the program, close it and see what inotifywatch dumped.
Every time I touch a config file/setting I document it in my notes. I would be lost without it.
Suprised nobody said to use whereis xyz
Can’t get the save file from some android games anymore. 🤷♂️
One of these days, they’ll add a censorship chip into every consumer electronic.
you likely can with another file manager like Amaze
You still can’t write into it, which means you can’t continue off a save file from another phone.
I suspect this is to make piracy harder. A lot of paid mobile games (Ported from PC) seems to want you to use Google’s cloud these days.
The only exception is like Stardew Valley, where they put the save directory in a normal folder. Every other game make it impossible to move your saves.
Heck, Into The Breach is even locked to Netflix. You need a fucking Netflix subscription for that. No thanks lol, I’ll enjoy my illegal download. (I have to type in a cheat code to unlock the stuff every time I set up a new phone, but its a roguelike, so not much data is lost anyways)
I think you can use ADB to access those folders
I can find files just fine on my Android phone, BUT when saving files on my iPad this meme would be true.
I was editing a document on my iPad, saved it in a folder labeled ‘documents’, searched with the files app and the document folder wasn’t on my iPad or iCloud.
Come to find out the app itself made a folder named documents within itself. So in order to get it on my iPad itself i had to share the file to dropbox then redownload it 🤨
Yeah, developers can’t access those folders without some super specific permissions, so most just use the dedicated app folder.
I have learned the horrors of Apple since getting this thing. Like it for drawing and 3D sculpting, but that’s about it.
You should see how much developing for apple hurts when using a multiplatform ecosystem.
In Flutter for example, there are entire documentation sections on “Apple is incredibly stupid and needs special care”
Ohhhhh yes. Flutter + Apple has tested my will to live multiple times.
I can only imagine how painful it is for those developers
Oh, so you are a grass trainer? Why, I often roleplay as a Shaymin
How many gym badges you got??
Why would I have gym badges?!?
Home puter is a Mac which I only use for the Logic DAW but they have a primary app called Finder which has never found anything I asked for. Its a Finder that doesnt Find.
F
Don’t you know? Users being told the exact location of a file is not user-friendly!
There are not files. There are only vibes. If your surf the vibe ocean well enough, you will find what you were looking for.
I miss when computers did what you wanted them to do and not what the corporation wants you to do.
We call it Linux.
Android is built in the Linux kernel. That’s actually some of what causes this - Android’s permissions model takes the Linux model and amplifies it. Apps are treated like users to prevent them from messing with each other’s files. If an app uses Android’s downloads manager it can write to the downloads directory, but it can only see the files that it put there.
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Bit by bit? The move to mobile was like getting hit in the face with an inaccessibility bat. I hate mobile OSes with a passion. Unfortunately, they’re overwhelmingly the way through which people interact with the Internet or do any kind of tech stuff anymore. I do a lot of audio work, and Android lacks even simple routing software. It just uses the last audio device plugged into it. Never mind you only want to use the mic on that and not the output. Forget using multiple devices. It’s infuriating. You’ll pry my desktop away from me through my cold, dead hands.
Sounds like you should install Ubuntu touch on your phone
Doesn’t work on all devices though
Then install linage OS or get a fair phone 4
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It’s almost as if this is a computer architecture designed for idiots who don’t know or care what a file is or for what purposes their data is being harvested. Everywhere I hear people falling over themselves to declare that the tablet smartphone was apple’s golden gift to the world. Try to do any serious work on one, it’s fucking annoying.
Whenever we make technology accessible to stupid people it becomes irritating to use and a privacy nightmare.
It’s almost as if this is a computer architecture designed for
idiotshuman beings whodon’t know or care what a file isinteract with computers on a non-file oriented basis or have been lied to and systemically unsupported in their education for what purposes their data is being harvested.No hate. No useful conversation starts with calling large swaths of people idiots, is all.
Opens the files app which shows all files that were recently downloaded from any app to the file system.
That’s like piling all your paperwork on your office desk in a giant tower in the order they came in and arguing that’s just as good as sorting them into files and putting them in the cabinet.
There was a legend I heard of in an engineering office. There was an engineer at this company I worked at, long before I was there. On the first day of work, he created his first file, file 000001. He pulled out a notebook, and wrote the file number and the document title. Later that day, he moved on to file 000002. And so he continued. For many years, one document after another, all in sequential order. No one ever bothered to inquire about his numbering system. He simply sent files off when needed, renaming as necessary. No one ever needed to poke through his work computer. Then, one day, he got laid off in a company downsizing… He simply took the notebook with him, took it home, and burned it.
Is this your first file system? It literally does sort it into “videos” if I have a video or “images” if it’s an image. What do you crack heads want it to do?
Exactly the fucking following: put my fucking files in the directories I fucking created for my fucking files, show me the fucking file system the way it fucking looks when traversed by fucking
lsI literally do this on my Android, what are you people on about. My download go into my Downloads folder. I can browse my phone just like a computer…
Good for you lol
I’m sorry I don’t know how to traverse the FS by fucking. Can you show me ;)
took me a while to understand what you had written. Had a good laugh :)
I’m sure there’s a VR headset mod out that allows just this…In both solo and partner modes!
You thought I was making shit up?
Tell me you don’t understand what you’re talking about without saying you don’t understand what you’re talking about.
I’m sorry you’re android illiterate.
Oh, so I am not alone. Good to know, but damn what a crap of “software”
It literally does show up under recent for me. I used the screen recorder built in stock and it shows up as a recent file. Did you even try to do this exact thing?
It’s an audio recording app, not a screen recording app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.recorder
That’s why I said look under audio instead of video.
Ok I see the confusion, on your end. You assume this file is being saved to the global FS and this app has its own resources. So to save it globally you have to share it to the files app. i get that’s confusing to normies. But it took me 20 seconds to figure it out. I’m guessing chatgpt didn’t give the answer.
Ok I see the confusion, on your end. You assume this file is being saved to the global FS and this app has its own resources. So to save it globally you have to share it to the files app. i get that’s confusing to normies. But it took me 20 seconds to figure it out. I’m guessing chatgpt didn’t give the answer.
I’m sorry, did you or did you not say the files app just shows everything? Does the meme imply that finding files on Android is difficult? Did you not just explain something extremely counterintuitive that’s contradictory to your own first post? 🙄
I def did not say the “files app shows (everything)” . I hope the reading skills improve. If we are being pedantic.
You said “shows all files that were recently downloaded from any app to the file system”. I pointed out that the meme you were replying to specifically said save not download and that the Files app definitely does not do that.
mine doesn’t do that. also, what if you’re looking for a file that’s older than three weeks old? should I go fuck myself then?
You could use a different file manager. And there’s a few places I would look for files : downloads, pictures, etc, or in a folder named for the app under one of those places
I do that with my email. Email has a search function - if I don’t know a key word in the email or approximately when it came in, how would I know that I found it if I ever found it in some other way?
just be glad you don’t have an iphone. at least on android there are easy ways to remedy this.
iPhone has an app aptly named Files. Inside here are files. Pretty sure it works the same on Android.
Pretty sure you’ve never used an Android, iPhone file managemt is locked down and dumbed down garbage, made so to make people more dependent on paying for and using the app store apps, without understanding the underlying system at all, and the primary reason I’m moving back to Android. Can’t let some shit tech company dictate how I use my own devices file system, or what apps I can and can’t install on it.
Merely just naming the app, not here for a debate. FYI I used to own a Pixel.
I don’t care what phones you do or do not use as you shouldn’t with me. Got more to worry about than which evil company we each give our money to.
Using OwlFiles pretty much fixed it for me on the iPhone. Having extensively used android for many years, and now iPhone for a couple, I think both have their pros and cons.
What’s a pro of the iOS app based file system, it’s never not been an artificially created frustrating and limiting experience for me. I had to print a bunch of documents that were scattered across a couple of folders on my gDrive recently and I thought I’ll download them to my iPhone, move the necessary docs from the sub folders into a single folder that I’ll zip and send to the printing service email, the amount of frustration I had to deal with just to do something simple like that made me want to chuck my phone into a wall. Also one time I had to send a single pdf from my android phone to my sister’s iphone, in a place with no cell signal or wifi. and that to was a god awful experience, purposefully designed so by apple so people stick to only using airdrop and Icloud. I had to basically setup a file server + wifi Hotspot on my android phone to be able to transfer that one file and because it was an android I could actually do that in the first place. So many apps I used to use can’t work on iphones cause apple just won’t allow it.
Firefox: oh you just saved 3 files to a folder, allow me to save the next one to a folder you haven’t downloaded anything to in months.
Thank the allmaker for KDE recent files.
Thank the allmaker for KDE recent files.
and GNOME recent files. I believe its even an XDG FreeDesktop spec.
damn its 23 Years old: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/recent-files-spec/latest/
/storage/emulated/0/
I really lost my shit when Firefox downloaded some Belfort & Lupin subtitles and I could not for the fucking live of me find them.
Turns out it put them in the “Movies” folder instead of “Downloads” where it actually put the corresponding video files.
sounds like your pitiful mind cant understand the unix file oriented philosophy and you should stay 10 feet away from all information technology /sarcasm
Technology and sarcasm?!?!
now look here you little… oh actually it would be nice to get away from tech honestly…
It has very little to do with unix philosophy
yo that’s the joke i was making XD
This is a real problem with young people coming into the office. They don’t know how to navigate a file system. They’ve never had to do it.
No, it’s a file system issue. It randomly makes folders and decides where to put things. A photo could be in the dcim folder, a photos folder on my outside card or a photos. It may or may not be in recents.
I’m saying that people who have grown up in the world of smartphones and apps are used to files just going into the ether and the app knowing where it is, and they never learned how to navigate a file system.
I know what you were saying.
I suppose those are the same people who make a full screen screenshot in order to share a picture.
No, they’re taking a picture of the screen with their phone.
It used to be so much simpler. I remember having a Galaxy S3 and whenever I saved a file I knew exactly where it went. There was a file explorer built in, and downloads went to the downloads folder.
Is that not how it still works? When I download a file, it either goes straight to the Downloads folder, or to an app-specific subfolder within Downloads. And there’s a Files app that lets you go through the file system (although I’m sure there are some system folders that aren’t accessible without rooting). I don’t think I’ve ever been confused about where a file is saved.
i think there’s lots of different flavors of android or something, such that different phones handle the user-facing file system totally differently. it might also be that nicer phones the devs put more effort into making UX have a more forgiving learning curve but because android isn’t truly open source those developments are inaccessible to other users
Thats my experience too.
That was Samsung doing the work of dumbing things down for you. Stock Android has always been fast and loose with the locality of saved files. Especially if you are doing anything with an image processing app. They tend to make their own dump folders and don’t bother telling you that they e made them in their own directory under the .data folder or someplace in .bin
You say ‘dumbing things down’ I say ‘that’s kinda condescending talk that implies that anything else isn’t shut when it clearly is’
My 2022 android still has a file explorer. But it seems to randomly drop files all over into multiple download folders it created
Literally exactly how it still works.
