At this stage the whole Lemmy project feels like a CIA experiment, part of some as-of-yet unknown group of experiments / operation given a vague name. All the content is on the extremist-side, enforces attitudes perfect to embolden class wars and young people (no doubt the majority of people here) aren’t worldly enough to know the difference. It’s full of AI-generated political memes and comments.
Where’s the trove of knowledge? The awesome positive hobbies? If it’s around, it’s all drown out by the manipulative noise.
This could be easily fixed in the coding of Lemmy, but… it hasn’t.
I’m becoming very di-senlightened by Lemmy, Let the abuse and downvotes ensue.
Not that I entirely disagree, but…
This could be easily fixed in the coding of Lemmy, but… it hasn’t.
I’m not sure how this could be fixed on the software level? Care to elaborate? Or even better, write up an issue + PR which proposes the “easy fix”.
if (content == political) {
content.censor = true
};It’s like you don’t want this.
Shit sorry,
the CIA told me not to point outI forgot that all content already automatically carries thepoliticalflag if it contradicts OP’s political biases, and thus all we need to do is check for that and censor accordingly.It isn’t that it contradicts any political biases. But, it’s like, ok, enough, we get it, yawn, now for positive stuff like hobbies, fun stuff, not the same whinging circle jerk over and over again.
Yeah, sorry, I was being a bit catty with that reply. But algorithmically identifying something as “whinging circle jerk” is really difficult unless you wanna throw away the baby with the bathwater. I think someone elsewhere in the thread recommended creating a second account just for the hobby communities, if you wanna avoid the political memery. If the hobby communities feel quiet, well, you have the power to change that by posting something there.
Don’t worry. As a little experiment, I’ve found time and time again across a whole range of social media sites over years, that having a username that some people could perceive as aggressive will get you blocked / banned faster than you would believe. The people of Lemmy are not as different/open as they think they are!
Unfortunately, when I open groups, I get called out that it should be merged with a sort-of-similar group, and then of course, empty groups are hard to start.
Having to take the effort to block all the politics in the first place mean 90% of people won’t do it and will get tied up with giving their asshole to each post rather than perhaps what they wanted to come here for in the first place. I believe that doesn’t create an overall diverse community.
Don’t worry. As a little experiment, I’ve found time and time again across a whole range of social media sites over years, that having a username that some people could perceive as aggressive will get you blocked / banned faster than you would believe. The people of Lemmy are not as different/open as they think they are!
You get banned for having the username “catty”? Seriously?
Unfortunately, when I open groups, I get called out that it should be merged with a sort-of-similar group, and then of course, empty groups are hard to start.
I mean is that a bad thing that groups get merged? Lemmy ain’t reddit, and if you wanna follow niche (or even not-so-niche) hobbies here, it’s usually better to have one group with 10 people in it rather than 5 groups with 2 people in it. If you wanna hang around in your 2-person group, no one’s gonna ban you for doing so.
Having to take the effort to block all the politics in the first place mean 90% of people won’t do it and will get tied up with giving their asshole to each post rather than perhaps what they wanted to come here for in the first place. I believe that doesn’t create an overall diverse community.
If you joined an instance where 90% of the default communities offend you, maybe you should consider joining another instance?
Sentiment analysis is an old and established form of ai that would be useful here.
You’d use sentiment analysis how, exactly?
You live with the privilege of focusing on things that make you happy. Other people are stressed AF rn.
Sure, I’m thinking controls for a better feed that doesn’t give voice to the constant political crap, more control over it, better blocking of post bots and AI slop generating bots.
Honestly, I’d rather just look for a better server with less politically outspoken nobodies.
Since according to you this is an easy coding issue that no one’s bothered to implement, how would you from a technical standpoint implement those improvements?
Decent shitpost, cheers
Is the resident Lemmy population becoming too easy to troll?
Hello lemmings are you all left wing because you are CIA and racist? Also if you go outside you will not hate car
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You should block a lot of people and communities, it helps with the ai nonsense. As for the radicalism, Lemmy was developed by communists. It is a niche free open source semi-decentralized platform that is free of ads. It’s gonna attract the type of people who have a lot of problems with capitalism. Radical leftists didn’t come here to radicalize people, they were here first. If it isn’t for you then it isn’t for you but as one of those radical leftists I do encourage you to give our world-view a fair glance. Read the manifesto or watch a youtuber like secondthought. Maybe listen to a speech from Parenti. It changed my life permenantly and it could do the same for you.
sounds like a skill issue to me, but then again i doubt any of those hobbyist communities spread across the fediverse are nearly as active as on reddit.
Also I don’t think inviting people (especially the young, most propaganda is probably taught in schools) in on the class war is a bad thing. Capitalists are the enemy of the people.
There should be no class war. A community that fosters it is not helping.
Sure it should not but it sure is needed and does exist whether you engage in it or not.
Who doesn’t pay appropriate taxes?
Who helps the community?
Who destroys the climate in the pursuit of profit?
Who denies you healthcare/youth care/eldercare when you need it?
Who engages in wars in which they don’t fight the enemy?
Who can’t do anything about it?
Have you met Mr. Molotov?
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No war but class war.
There’s your problem, by denying the need you are helping the opressors.
Ok, problems not denied… So, everything’s fixed, right? The people are essentially powerless - politics aside - and arguing such things is moot and a distraction to a happy life.
Man, what a defeatist attitude. “If I can’t fix everything, why even bother to make small changes for the better.”
Edit: Oh, I see. This is a shitpost. Nice b8 m8, then. Ya got me.
What should be and what is are two different things, and pretending like something doesn’t exist just because you don’t want itto exist is a detriment to you more than anything else.
Leaves echo chamber ahhh WTF!
I post hobby stuff I’m working on. Everybody seems to care very little. I try to say stop being assholes and people hate for it.
Bias here seems typical for tech geekigarchy. After 2 years on Lemmy – echo chambers are also self selecting and self filtering.
echo chamber
Thanks, I guess that’s the phrase. You have to have the same mentality as everyone including the mods otherwise you’re banned. Challenging opinions isn’t allowed. In my feed I want to see projects, hacks (in all different kinds of hobbies), things I could do, or other things people enjoy doing, not constant memes about Trump / America that are probably being paid to be put there. If I want the latter, I’d go to facebook.
Keep posting your projects and show it off. If the community resents it, let them go to their silly elitists groups.
I am really confused by the community this was posted in. Is it a genius shitpost or someone not understanding how social media works?
This is by far not the first time aswell. I’ve noticed that there are a lot of people that seem to interpret this community as “a place to post your random shit to”.
If your feed has lots of ai i would also recommend blocking some posters, though in my experience lemmy has way more anti ai and downvoting of annything ai then whatever is left of the mainstream networks.
Another recomendation is to join a smaller instance you align with, you will have a much better experience.
Yes we do go rather hard left. Especially when it comes to the only war that counts, the class war, ruling elites versus the exploited masses. Its part of what makes this place so refreshing because corporate media heavily dislikes the need for global change. Causing people that agree to flock here.
And yes you can easily get radicalized here, another thing which is refreshing is how up front and not secretive people are about the fact we do alot of self propaganda for our personal flavor of ideals. After all lemmy is not for children (suprisingly many older people) you have to form your own opinions and people tend to be (on average) more respectfull towards diversity in idealogy. You don’t get insta downvoted as much as you get honest replies of someone wanting to discuss it.
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The devs are communists.
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Using Lemmy over Reddit is already an ideological choice for many of us, ergo you will find people with a stronger ideological backbone here.
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Conditions in the English-Speaking world are getting more dire. The US Empire is struggling to prop itself up, billionaires control more and more of the wealth while working class folks control less and less, and more people are getting involved in reading theory and organizing.
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Many leftist subreddits were shut down and fled to Lemmy, the same has not happened to the same degree for right-wing subreddits.
It’s as simple as that, really. I suggest you start reading some leftist theory, I made a Marxism-Leninism Beginner Reading List to help people who want to start doing that (comes with audiobook versions, too).
Also, your insinuation that those of us more politically active must be young and not worldly is infantilizing bullshit.
And yes, I know what community this is in, this is more for others to see if they genuinely have the same questions.
your insinuation that those of us more politically active must be young and not worldly is infantilizing bullshit.
Ahh, spoken like a true unworldly young person. I hope you understand in twenty years.
Spoken like a teenager pretending to be an adult lol.
People with actual experience don’t assume someone’s disagreement means they are inexperienced. But assuming as much is a good indicator of someone being actually inexperienced, though.
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Hmmm, the CIA is against class warfare (in the sense that you are using it here).
Different servers have different communities. You should look at the local timeline of various servers to find a server that perhaps suits you better than lemmy.world
You should also subscribe to communities on various servers to see the kinds of things you enjoy. Like cats or aww. Various birds always seem to have a lot of engagement across the Fediverse.
Class warfare exists whether you engage in it or not. When capital gains is taxed less than salaries for labour, that’s class warfare. When the success of a government is measured by the gains of investments like stocks and real estate rather than the economic circumstances of the majority of the people, that’s class warfare.
PS the Fediverse in general skews a bit older. It’s generally the more tech savvy people that have become exhausted by big tech platforms.
Precisely. I’m a millennial, and this place has a decidedly millennial vibe. Linux nerds, privacy advocates, people seeking an alternative to the slop of mainstream social media. I would imagine people under 25 are a rarity here.
There’s a fair history of security services acting as agents provocateur infiltrating socialist and trade union movements to split them apart get evidence or ‘intel’ to imprison leaders. Certainly in the UK that was a part of their union busting tactics. So it is something to be aware of.
I’m not sure that is what is happening on here though. I’m also not sure if that’s what OP was referring to.
It’s the exact thing I meant and didn’t realise I had to be explicit as I thought this would be common knowledge amongst these self-proclaimed worldly people. It happens with any extremist group, terrorist cells or potential threats to the government and where better to obtain such information than online? It’s naive to think the world’s governments don’t also have a lemmy presence with relevant operations.
Yes I think i tended towards the latter view because I just don’t see much real world action or organising going on here.
But some of the stuff posted does seem a bit sus - it’s almost a caricature. Even quite radical people usually have some ability to reason or engage in moderate discussion.
I guess it doesn’t cost law enforcement much to keep an eye on this, and I’m sure lots of the terms used will flag in their webcrawlers and such.
A few spooks and a few bots can probably do quite a lot across a lot of different social media so really not hard for them to have some presence here for minimal effort.
Lemmy is best enjoyed with a very extensive blocklist.
Can I block whole communities out of my feed?
Sure. Just go to the community and select “block community” in the sidebar. (Or go to the settings -> blocks -> and type it into the search bar).
Thanks, didn’t know that!
Do you have any evidence of major AI generated memes and comments? Sometimes I see an obvious AI image (and down vote it), and some communities are made for the purpose of AI so I blocked them. But aside from that, have you found much generative AI slop?
And if so, how would you fix that in code? Some sort of captcha? I think the volume is low enough that it wouldn’t help.
Stick around, you might learn something for once.
Indeed, scores of manipulative political memes are how one learns.
IMO Lemmy has revealed that people around the world are more left-leaning and class conscious than I thought back when I was on R*ddit.
All the content is on the extremist-side, enforces attitudes perfect to embolden class wars …
Yes, unironically and openly, I support and advocate for class war against the capitalist class. The capitalist class wages their class war against the working class every single day in every single facet of modern existence. It’s well past time we start fighting back as an exercise of our own individual and collective self-defense. Class consciousness should never have been controversial, and it is only controversial because it encourages people to challenge capitalism.
… and young people (no doubt the majority of people here) aren’t worldly enough to know the difference.
You don’t need any political knowledge to know my positions. I am literally an anarchist, and I have said so loudly and often. Like me, most of these “extremists” are open socialists and communists and will readily tell you their views and ideologies (many of whom I emphatically disagree with from their left, but I somehow suspect you would consider me just as “extreme”, namely for challenging the utility and inevitability of capitalism).
Where’s the trove of knowledge? The awesome positive hobbies? If it’s around, it’s all drown out by the manipulative noise.
Yes, it is a shame that capitalism drowns out all our hobbies, all our positive experiences, everything so completely that we need to waste so much bandwidth drowning out the manipulative noise peddled by capitalists on almost every other platform.
It’s full of AI-generated political memes and comments.
I don’t recommend completely blocking yourself off from politics forever, but if you really need to take a temporary break like everyone deserves, I recommend making an alt account with all political communities and posters blocked. But keep in mind…you might be done with politics, but politics is never done with you. In particular, capitalism is never gonna ask your permission to use and abuse you.
And really, this is a special case of the fact that you need to curate your own feed. Some other social networks do this for you in ways that compromise your privacy and, frankly, brainwash people into accepting the neoliberal monoculture.
IMO Lemmy has revealed that people around the world are more left-leaning and class conscious than I thought back when I was on R*ddit.
Not wanting to rain on your parade, but that’s what an echo chamber does.
Do you apply it for Xitter/Farcebook?
Imagine thinking Lemmy is propagandizing people into these beliefs and not just the one platform that’s not relentlessly shoving the capitalist boot down everyone’s throat and allowing for semi-genuine conversation like you rarely see in corpo social media.
Like, sure, it’s Lemmy that’s pushing the narrative of class warfare and no other platform has that kind of talk but hidden by mod abuse. Nope, just Lemmy, clearly.
Maybe this is a selfawarewolf post…
We all went through phases of “I wanna be in the known!” Hell, it’s basically UFO Obsession capitalised by the gov.
But there’s no “big secret”. People just aren’t ready to hear it and will continue to search for it.
Normally I’d say give the guy a break… But he shows zero interest to change.
Touchy subject for you huh, and you’re reading far more into it than the words that are there.
Nah, just sick of the capitalist bootlickers pretending like there isn’t already a class war that we are and have been losing for centuries.
And it’s better to agitate and busy people over theory and semantics rather than focus on the things they can do.
I’m beginning to think you’re not looking for an answer to your question and that you’re just here to proselytize to the other side.
