I had a goth friend who would always get laid without much trouble. At some point he got a normal job and had to “become a normie”, and I learned that it wasn’t because he was a goth, it was because he was a complete asshole with women, and some women, for some reason, can’t resist assholes.
Being an asshole implies confidence.
Women like confidence.
Inexperience and young girls mistake being a dick with confidence
Also, young people often are bad at determining how impressive someone is so they go off the social cues of just believing that they’re acting genuinely in line with their status. This means someone moderately attractive treating 21 year olds like they’re just barely worth their time can often get anything from sex to unpaid overtime if they sell it well and are indiscriminately fishing.
Most people grow out of it, but some don’t. Then there’s also that the pool isn’t a representative sample of the population. The mature and discriminate are easy to miss (they filter heavily), more likely to leave low investment pools like tinder because the effort/value proposition is bad, and when they leave because of relationships will take longer to return to the pool. It’s not that all the good ones are taken, its that most of the bad ones are looking.
Certain women like asshole confidence. Typically the type to write “I’m a bitch, deal with it” in their bios
The women that like arseholes, believe it or not, are also probably arseholes.
I’ve known many women who were very nice and intelligent, who dated assholes. Usually they end the relationship thinking “ugh, why did I do that? That guy was such an asshole.”
They do this because women are human, and do the very human thing of making mistakes and regretting them.
sometimes you dont realise theyre an asshole until youre already a year plus deep
They do this because [even nice and intelligent] women are
humanhorny, and do the veryhumanhorny thing of making mistakes and regretting them.Bad/terrible people can be hot. In fact, often when people are hot they feel more free to be their natural asshole selves because they can get away with it more. This applies to both men and women in all directions.
In fact, some people want their partner to be mean to them, its more often hetero women who like that. If a guy can be mean and get away with it, that implies they’re hot shit, extremely confident, rich, and/or powerful. Those are attractive features in a guy.
There are also hetero men who want women to be mean to them, especially in the bedroom.
I can find no fault with anything you just said. Except maybe that having a thing for being abused spans all genders and sexual identities.
Damn I need to power off. I’m like how does anyone write in their BIOS? I’m pretty sure it’s just settings. 😅
It’s not that hard, the trick is using your computer after.
Look at coreboot. You can flash your bios with open source software!
implies confidence.
nope. it implies a craven amount of insecurity.
it says something though that so many people assume this, it’s certainly not just you.
Whatever. It gives off the impression of confidence. We’re trying to explain observed phenomena here, not cast moral judgements.
No. Hi. Asshole here; zero confidence.
When you say things like “some women can’t resist assholes” it sounds like red pill rhetoric. A better way to say it might be like “some assholes prey on women’s insecurities”. Keep the focus on the person who is the problem, not the victims.
When you say things like “some assholes prey on women’s insecurities” it’s incredibly condescending, especially when you consider that women can also be assholes.
Like begets like. I’ve known too many couples where both of the people in the relationship are trash.
Anyone can be a victim, condescension has nothing to do with that.
And anyone can be an asshole, assuming that all women are simply victims is 100% condescending towards women.
assuming that all women are simply victims
That wasn’t stated
Correcting ‘some women can’t resist assholes’ with ‘some assholes prey on women’s insecurities’ doesn’t strike you as assuming that these women are all victims?
Ok, sure — I’m not going to debate this any further.
Nowhere it was stated that ALL women are victims.
Saying that some people might be susceptible to certain kind of exploitation doesn’t imply that all people of that group alhave that issue, or that they’re somehow inferior
How about:
Many men, and women, and every other kind of human, often mistake confidence and decisiveness … for competence, reliability, trustworthiness, responsibility.
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This is by no means totally specific to a sex or gender, it applies broadly, in all kinds of social situations, business relationships, etc, between all kinds of genders and sexes.
This innappropriate or overweighted heuristic tendency also tends to lessen with age, as people gain first hand experience and knowledge that this heruistic, this intuition, this assumption… is actually often not accurate.
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Anybody with decent charisma, which a huge component of is an above average, but not overwhelming level of outwardly displayed confidence, stands a better chance at convincing most people of basically anything, intentionally or unintentionally.
Lots of overly confident people bulldoze into a situation, legitimately believing they were well equipped to handle it in an ethical way, only later to realize… oh, I am in way over my head, I fucked up.
Lots of overly confident people also just know they are full of shit, and intentionally bulldoze through, and then either gaslight about how they did nothing wrong, or just fucking vanish.
This again works beyond just interpersonal romantic relationships:
For every bonafide grifter con artist (crypto for dudes, cosmetics MLMs for gals), there is a well intentioned new boss or manager who basically accidentally fucks up the entire department out of inexperience and hubris…
And both of those are often aided by their natural, above average levels of confidence and charisma.
I’m fine saying “many people prey on other people’s insecurities.” I am not “making this about gender.” I was mirroring the genders I was replying to.
But you mirrored both the genders and the way responsibility flows.
Some men and women are assholes who prey on the inexperienced, some men and women are naturally more confident than most, and give others a false impression, mostly or entirely unintentionally.
You don’t seem to accept that some people can accidentally lead people on without actually trying to do that, that one person’s obvious flirting can be another person’s just trying to be friendly, that one person can never explicitly say that ‘this is a committed, serious relationship’, and another person can hear that anyway.
If you think I’m mirroring everything the other person said, why are you criticizing my words instead of theirs?
It’s not entirely unjustified or wrong though. Women are awful.
Women are awful.
💀
I keep the focus where I want, that doesn’t change the asshole-victim situation, and I won’t save anyone if I change the wording.
Prince will steal your girl, then steal her clothes, then steal someone else’s girl in those clothes
Can confirm.
I’ve let several women do my make up and they’re always super enthusiastic that I’m down for that.
It’s SO hot. A man in touch with that side of himself is sexxxxxxxy.
Top half, even the watch, all women’s clothes from the thrift.
DELISH.
Internalized homophobia is a hell of a thing to overcome. Some guys think those things are gay because that’s what they were told by figures of authority.
Source: was raised as one of those guys.
This depends on the guy. Some can pull it off, others can’t. I’m one of those who can’t. If I put on make up, I wouldn’t look goth, I would look like a serial killer lol
It’s not so much about looking “goth” but learning how to augment whatever natural attractiveness you’ve got and demonstrating a level of self-assuredness and self-awareness. Knowing what works for you is part of that.
“Goth” just happens to be a very bold and somewhat easier style to look decent. A more “nude” look is, counterintuitively, pretty difficult but there’s almost no masculine individuals who wouldn’t benefit from it.
That’s very well put.
Does anyone have resources they’d like to share to that end? For absolute beginners for very subtle men’s makeup.I have nothing “for men” specifically but there’s a million and a half tutorials on how to use primer, concealer and foundation. So long as you don’t start doing any contouring it should all be pretty gender agnostic.
Embrace that look and go juggalo!
What is a juggalo?
Oh, he gets butt nekkid.
Faygo addicts.
I’ve met some very pretty serial killers. You do not look that good. Sorry.
I DO COCAINE!
Guys: I want a goth girl with big boobs
Also guys: ew goth. GAY!
been low key wanting to do Egyptian pharaoh shit for years but I work blue collar in hick country and don’t dare until I can move out of the states
I was in Atlanta for the 2000 New Years celebration and I randomly bought a red and yellow zoot suit to wear, with matching shoes. I have NEVER IN MY LIFE gotten more attention from women than that night.
bawler as hell tbh
“bawler”?
Bawler is to baller as dawg is to dog.
Did you have a riot? Did you throw back a bottle of beer?
Well, there’s two ways that could go. You could be ‘that we>rdo, mike i think’ or ‘pharoah mike’.
Build a mythology about why. Tie it into local values. You lost a bet and then liked it?
bro I’m talking about queer-stomping throw Matt Shepard into the fence and kill him, country. the only way that’s going is to a bad time. I like your idea, I’m just not trying it here
It is a risk, and i dont know if youve got the privilege to shield you, it’s true.
unfortunately no. I’m already on thin ice for being autistic, that’s basically 2 degrees removed from a gay but with shiftier eyes.
but I like the pharaoh Mike thing. pray that I get out of here and get to try it 🙏
Oh shit. Yeah. Didn’t used to be, but…
Of course girl with a goth profile picture and spiders in her name thinks goth style is hot.
In the meanwhile my bald head and nike sweatpants attract eastern european girls like a lamp with moths. You catch what you fish for.Imagine if you wore a full track suit
That’s only for ceremonies
The Danes, thanks to their habit to comb their hair every day, to bathe every Saturday, to change their garments often, and set off their persons by many such frivolous devices. In this manner, they laid siege to the virtue of the married women, and persuaded the daughters even of the nobles to be their concubines.”
Nike dudes even starting to get the monk haircut.
What about blue jeans and solid colour tshirts with no logos like a cartoon character
It’s not a bad look, but it also isn’t helping you out. You’ll need to work with your body, facial attractiveness, and personality - which can do a lot. But not improving how you dress (not necessarily as a goth, but in some way that makes you look good and expresses yourself in a way that others understand) will leave a lot on the table.
Well with a beard and a second layer like a jacket I can pull off the “yes chad” look pretty easy even if it is an illusion, personality wise I’m a pretty shy guy that would rather pet a dog at a party than approach anyone but still capable of having proper conversations with random people though I have pulled an irish goodbye during one on one conversations at the end
Condition the beard and play with the dog and it’ll work. At least thats what I did before transitioning
it’s one of the only things I got going for me so of course I try to keep it looking nice and always get it taking care of when I get a nice hair cut the only other thing is if I happen to find woman into fat butts though I’d hope it was only for show
Men at some point decided to abandon style, and the result has been rather tedious. BRING BACK STYLE, EVEN BOMBASTIC STYLE
I’m too old, out of shape, bald, and too much gray hair to pull off goth. Though somewhere out in the universe is a photo of an 18-yo me dressed as Frank from RHPS. Make-up, died hair, fishnets… the whole nine.
You’d be surprised, man. Go to any metal or rock concert and you’ll see guys matching your description pulling it off.
Elder Goths hold the secret to aging successfully.
I do that but I only get 1 (one) pussy. It’s my wife’s, so it’s plenty for me.
Upvote for this guy loving his wife very much, specifically. It really is plenty, isn’t it?
(If I didn’t have that point to make, this comment would have been a “that guy’s wife’s pussy is plenty for me as well” joke.)
1 × X = X × 1. One pussy multiple times is lots of pussy!
Ohhh, that’s the reason why The Sandman always looked so tired and kinda damp all the time… He was nearly drowning. 🤌🏼
