Its a shame because they’re prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don’t understand the point of targeting a person you don’t like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don’t like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)
Unsurprising, that user is a power-poster and power-mod that constantly tries to shit-stir. Figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
Bruh… cowbee talking about shit stirring… i only know we’re in a glass house cause you started throwing stones.
I pretty plainly admit to focusing on correcting misinterpretations of Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, I spend very little time power posting, and I don’t own and moderate drama communities. I also don’t downvote troll people, or stalk them and post about them on drama comms.
I’m certainly opinionated, and have my own political views I don’t shy away from, but I think it’s pretty clear that this is a fundamentally different situation.
Meh, like I guess, but honestly when someone lifts you out of the bucket of shit you’re stirring, the shape of you is obscured by the fact you are also covered in the shit you stirred along with this loser.
Don’t really follow, are you just saying that because I’m opinionated and like to talk about Marxism, I’m the same kind of shit-stirrer that constantly posts memes trying to provoke a response, and mods a bunch of drama communities specifically about snooping on people for screengrabs? I can’t say I agree.
Removed by mod
Okay? Strange behavior on your part, you might want to look into a mirror.
I’m in the glass house with you.
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this JOKER made a community to WHINE about their Ls
edit because i forgot to post the LINK!
And it got banned by the admin so he made a new one on lemmy.world! Holy shit he’s just refusing to consider he’s being weird.
Deeply unserious behavior.
Holy shit this is hilarious, my God. Terminally online behaviour.
“nEoLiBeRaLiSm WoN”
Hey yacht boy, what are you doing hanging out with us tankies?
“nEoLiBeRaLiSm WoN”
Hey yacht boy, what are you doing hanging out with us tankies?
… what.
Lmao I thought you were joking for a second
Shout out to PJ who embodies the “fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting” mentality
Doesn’t dbzer0 literally have a ‘disengage’ rule because the default experience there is "“fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting”?
That is the experience on most of the instances
He tends to get into a fight every single time I see him post and somebody says something that’s even slightly controversial, which results in an easily hundred long comment thread.
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
If this is a Lemmy, anarchist instance, full of a bunch of super lefties, they’re not gonna appreciate a Radlib coming in trying to start shit up and downvoting a bunch of people. They’re probably just gonna block him like they have.
I think the recommendation here is if you’re gonna downvote people, you probably want to just stick to downvoting people directly in the thread you’re engaging with and not go in that person’s profile and downvote every single thing they’ve ever done. Or claim that every single thing they’ve ever done is something you disagree with.
Unfortunately, he’s a prolific proster, and some of his stuff is funny 🤷
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
And when you call him out on it, he’ll make a new community to shame you for not liking him.
It’s really funny that I called him out for it, he said he doesn’t do it, and then make a community that got banned that’s all about doing it.
I went and browsed that community and it’s just full of gold.
And he claims everyone else is weird about him when he is doing shit like this.
The first one was banned by the admin, so he made a new one on .world
Hahah pifed wants none of that smoke. Man that’s hilarious
He tends to get into a fight every single time I see him post and somebody says something that’s even slightly controversial, which results in an easily hundred long comment thread.
I dread to think of what you consider only ‘slightly controversial’.
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
lmao, what.
If this is a Lemmy, anarchist instance, full of a bunch of super lefties, they’re not gonna appreciate a Radlib coming in trying to start shit up and downvoting a bunch of people. They’re probably just gonna block him like they have.
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I’m literally a DemSoc, and I’m quite open about this. Sorry that I don’t fit your convenient stereotype for “Bad Poster”?
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They literally haven’t blocked me.
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If you count “disagreeing with someone without commenting” or, as accused elsewhere, “disagreeing with someone and commenting once when your name is mentioned” as “starting shit up”, I question what level of disagreement you think is appropriate.
I think the recommendation here is if you’re gonna downvote people, you probably want to just stick to downvoting people directly in the thread you’re engaging with and not go in that person’s profile and downvote every single thing they’ve ever done. Or claim that every single thing they’ve ever done is something you disagree with.
Again, as pointed out in our conversation, and, for that matter, by the admission of the person being discussed here as ‘harassed’, none of that is true.
But I guess backpedaling admission in order to peddle blatant falsehoods in a new comment chain is all you have at this point. You already backpedaled twice in that comment chain; gotta get a new thread out for exposure of repeating the same bullshit talking points, huh?
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
You don’t care, of course.
SocDem is not a marxist or an anarchist.
Liberal does not count as a lefty. I’d much rather deal with anarchist comrades than liberal comrades.
Please keep posting that screenshot. If people actually read it, it does not say what you think it means.
No, I don’t care. I think you should go touch grass. I think this is fucking hilarious. I think you’re a whinger for having to go create your own community just to go whine about this.
Liberals can be lefties. They can’t be leftists.
PJ has claimed to be both an anarchist and a liberal when we were arguing, that’s why I blocked the guy, lying about his positions as a rhetorical tactic. Since I assume he’s the blocked guy swinging in the comments I also assume he’s now claiming to be a DemSoc, which is funny.
On the other hand, maybe he’s just figuring stuff out as he goes along like everyone else :)
He could be figuring stuff out but man they are abrasive.
He gonna grind through a ton of people before he figures anything out
SocDem is not a marxist or an anarchist.
DemSoc. Holy fucking shit. Literally read theory.
Please keep posting that screenshot. If people actually read it, it does not say what you think it means.
I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or if your literacy is legitimately at that level.
This crashout is fucking legendary, I’m really enjoying the back and forth between you and the dude who talks exactly like you, bucket guy. I’m not saying your the same person or anything, it’s just amazing another one of you exists!
I mean, I was getting attacked by him earlier, but it seems that Philip isn’t quite the same as Pug. He’ll step back occasionally and try to reach out to your better side.
PJ is basically just an attack dog.
Was reading things a little too fast, my dyslexia was getting me.
I think I’ve done okay so far.
What.
Chicken butt.
DemSoc is not Marxist and hasn’t been since before the fall of the USSR.
No, it’s just clear your comprehension isn’t where it actually needs to be and you didn’t read that screenshot carefully enough to see what it actually says.
I bet the whole reason you don’t read Marxist theories is because you literally don’t understand what they’re saying.
DemSoc also just bugs me as a label, all socialism is democratic. What DemSocs should really label themselves is reformist socialists, but because they can’t help but attack Marxists, they stick to cold war slander against AES by pretending reformist socialism is the only democratic form of socialism.
DemSoc also just bugs me as a label, all socialism is democratic.
Oh, so the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist, you agree, then? And neither is the PRC?
Nah, the PRC is democratic, and so was the USSR. Both are examples of socialism in the real world. I really don’t know what you’re trying to do here, I think you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit because you seem to have been here for hours now.
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This the same guy that calls POC perspective of colonisation “melodramatic”.
I would love to read that context if you have it somewhere.
Based on the conversations I’ve had with him, it’s gotta be gold.
It was in response to me linking readsettlers.org it was on my lemm.ee account
Bummer. Will have to go read the links
I’ll never understand people who argue and fight beyond the initial disagreement. I mean, even that should be civil (though I’m often not when I feel attacked by someone misrepresenting my point). I’ve got way too little free time to try to chase someone around the internet.
Happy to be on Lemmy, though, where my interactions have been mostly positive. Sometimes it’s good to know when to sign off and take a break. Think I’ll get back to the show I was streaming.
I’ll never understand those that hate toxcisity to this degree
Upvoting just because it’s good to know this can happen.
Huh I just got banned from that Community a few days ago cuz I got an argument with one of the mods on a completely different community. Wonder if it was the same guy.
edit I understand the mod in question has responded to this comment. But as I blocked him for repeated harassing private messages I’m not going to engage.
He goes out of his way to private message you? 😅
You were banned for mass-downvoting innocuous shit in comms for no reason other than that we’d gotten into an argument. I even tried to contact you to figure out if there was a reason you were downvoting swathes of historical artifacts with no apparent similarities, but you gave no response. So I gave you a ban, at which point you blew up and accused me of banning you for not liking a Braveheart meme.
But as I blocked him for repeated harassing private messages I’m not going to engage.
(It was more than four, across multiple comms, and they weren’t duplicates)
Dbzer0 mods temp banned me for trolling recently. I was actually taken aback because on Reddit my sarcasm would be pretty mild. Can’t argue with the premise, glad our mods are trying to make Lemmy less toxic and I learned a valuable lesson actually. Just disengage and move on.
I wasn’t banned for any comments, though. I was banned because, apparently, it’s unlawful to downvote comments you disagree with if it’s a commenter the dbzer0 admins like.
Yes, mass downvoting things for no reason is different from downvoting things you disagree with. If you go down a page and downvote every artifact there, and then illustrations, and then ruins, at some point it becomes apparent that it’s not because of a very eclectic and specific aesthetic preference. I’m sorry if that’s too complex for you to understand.
I mean, if you’re downvoting everybody’s page, and claiming that you just disagree with everything they post, then yeah, I can see why they would ban you.
Unfortunately for you, you’re not exactlu sunshine and rainbows, so I can imagine people aren’t exactly willing to just take you at your word.
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
I mean, if you’re downvoting everybody’s page, and claiming that you just disagree with everything they post, then yeah, I can see why they would ban you.
Except it wasn’t everything they posted, even by their own admission, in this very comment thread, no less:
Unfortunately for you, you’re not exactlu sunshine and rainbows, so I can imagine people aren’t exactly willing to just take you at your word.
That’s legitimate.
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
But as pointed out, the two situations are different - including by the account of the ‘harassed’ user I’m being accused of victimizing.
I kinda think you made your own bed.
I kinda think you made your own bed.
I apologize for the crime of downvoting comments that I disagree with. I’m sure this is from a place of utter detachment, ‘just pointing out the hypocrisy’ of something you can no longer claim to be hypocrisy. Now it’s just a generic “You deserved it”, lmao.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like. This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
As I pointed out, the claims of harassment are untrue (unless downvoting comments one genuinely disagrees with is harassment), and the commenter in question has a long history of obsessing about me, in a negative way.
Seven months of obsessing about me, and that was just gleaned from a quick search of my name from their account.
I stated a fact. I don’t get into the drama and I don’t care about the details . There is way too much drama dragging us down from being supportive human beings and that shouldnt be happening. I’m not even looking at your images - just saying more or less we should get over it and agree to disagree. You may be right … .you may be crazy, I have no beef with anyone. Take a step back … maybe reach out and apologize and understand your adversary and see what happens. I too have been affected by making a comment on reddit and having someone downvote my every past comment. This behavior is bad though. I ( until I quit reddit ) used to help in a lot of the electrical and tech subs and there’s no reason to downvote something I said to help a guy fixing his washing machine 5 months ago that deserves a downvote because you don’t like my recent opinion on something unrelated. Lets all be adults and cool to our fellow humans.
just saying more or less we should get over it and agree to disagree.
I’m being accused of being a harasser, a transphobe, and a genocide supporter, and your response is that I should just… sit down, shut up, and agree to disagree?
Beg your fucking pardon?
this is the internet - it’s a social media site… I’m sorry it’s that serious for you but I’d say “fuck you mate and I disagree” and move on. Your real life is not being affected.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like.
Thank you! Yeah, I 100% agree with all of this.
This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
Wait… do you mean PugJesus, or the person that banned him? I was 100% on board when I interpreted it as “the person that banned him,” yes.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
You mean his documented actions and the consequences for his actions?
Pig is currently on a week long temper tantrum. He’s currently being a massive asshole to people. Ask me how I know.
Also weird how you’re not responding to the people who’ve proven you wrong here.
I saw that comment of yours about me not replying before, I just stopped caring before I was able to track it down since Piefed doesn’t have very good thread-navigation ability in big threads yet.
I was wrong about PugJesus being drama-free. It seems like some aggressively wrong people have baited him into extensive slap-fights about politics, and he may even have moderated some people from time to time about it. I said as much, the instant someone pointed it out to me, and then I moved on.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Clearly you have no problem replying to other people, so it’s just odd you didn’t reply to others.
And no, pug just does that. Unless you’re just blind to his comments. Like how you said you’re unaware of him modding any communities while you’re active in the ones he moderates.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
It’s not, it’s how he does it. You can adovate for good things but do it in such a way that no one wants to fight by your side.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Oh just the admins who have replied and not gotta anything back.
My guy lol
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
Edit: Wait, are you talking about unruffled’s message to me? I ignored it because it was shouty and there wasn’t much to actually respond to, and PJ already had stepped in and answered it and I was happy to let the two of them duke it out if they really wanted to. Was there some kind of question in it that you wanted me to respond to? Like I say, I think the “it’s this way!” “no, it’s this other way!” back and forth would be of limited usefulness even if both sides of it hadn’t had an extensive airing in this comments thread at this point.
How is it shouty? No caps just a rebuttal to your claims.
But hey, just keep digging your grave. You seem so cool and rational, siding with the abusers and not the abused.
It’s just a wild coincidence that you don’t respond to those who prove your wrong.
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
It’s not, it’s how he does it. You can adovate for good things but do it in such a way that no one wants to fight by your side.
Like by spending 7 months falsely calling someone else a transphobe and Zionist? Or maybe, like some of your comrades here, one of your admins included, denying sexual assault verified by the UN?
Oh, but I’m the REAL villain here for downvoting you. That’s the real crime.
Using lemvotes, I’ve noticed a pattern of at least 3 users downvoting 90℅ of everything I post and I just want to say: If you don’t like me, block me. But I know at least one of those users is a drama creating bully with accounts on seemingly every single instance. Surprised they don’t use all their accounts to downvote. I guess then it would be too obvious. 🤷♂️
I think I will be blocking db0 after all.
What are the accounts? You can bring it up our admins and they’ll take care of it.
Edit: All I did was ask to help them?
Edit: and they downvoted me wanting to help them, ironic.
I am not sure it is really an instance specific phenomena. I have two or three users who do the same to me. One of them appears to be a german user I have never interacted with on Lemmy in any capacity that I know of. It’s just internet things.
I didn’t “spam their post with downvotes”, but the dbzer0 admins love to asspat the commenter in question who is utterly obsessed with me, and especially with lying about me:
Seven months of accusing me of bizarre things like being a transphobe and an Israel defender.
That’s not even including removed comments mentioning me or the times I’ve been referred to without using ‘Pug’.
While I think lemmy is great compared to reddit I still don’t like the whole upvote and downvote system. As it’s mostly based on people who agree with something and they will downvote you if they disagree with you. There should just be commends and replies to comments imo. At least downvoted posts don’t get hidden from view I guess.
I disagree with you. I’d never want to go back to the old defaults in forums, of un-threaded conversations where every comment is equal (and generally sorted by timestamp). Some comments are just better than others, and a user interface should prioritize the better comments.
Comments that are interesting, funny, or informative can be read by more people when they’re shown earlier in the page.
Comments that are rude, factually incorrect, off topic, etc., can be de-emphasized in the user interface, even if they don’t technically break any rules. I’d rather it be a community driven decision than a mod-driven decision of the harsh consequences of comment removal or user ban.
The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they’re generally better than individual mods.
And a naive “newest first” sort algorithm just prioritizes frequent posters and incentivizes “bumping” threads, which also detracts from the overall quality of a forum.
The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they’re generally better than individual mods.
Agree with most of this with the * that you don’t need to respect the communities collective opinions in every way. Sometimes its okay to think different, know you’re saying something many won’t like out of sheer difference in principle, and post it anyways. Its okay to be downvote bombed and shuffled down the viewing priority as long as you aren’t being outright censored in scummy ways. I feel genuinely bad for actual adults with such thin skin and need for internet community validation who get salty at a bad ratio of up arrows to down arrows to the point of reflexively editing their comment to talk down to strawmen.
I’ve been on lemmy a few years now even though I genuinely do not like a lot of the communities prefered topics and conversational archetypes, because I feel respected enough as a user to say and post what i’d like within the bounds of community rules without getting shadowbanned for talking about the wrong thing or having 15 automods tell me im not allowed to post a meme without 15 upvote points. Its a decently struck balance.
All it really does is prioritize herd mentality though, like if you don’t think like the others then you get downvoted and your comment hidden. I think this is just bad and was the main thing I hated about reddit.
Why does this matter? If I disagree and dislike something, why not give me a “don’t like that” button?
You can just say it instead.
I disagree and do not like your comment.
Because they’re awful methods of communication that lead to bad community feel? Seems straight forward to me.
Why do you feel that way? Seems like a fair way to contribute to a discussion without adding an entire comment to barely add anything.
Yeah, disagreements should not be buried.
(Upvoted because I agree with you 😅)
ESH
Good on the admins for not tolerating this.
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How many downvotes exactly are we talking about here?
Is it, like, two hundred? Or is it, like, ten?
Edit: Wait, what the fuck? I got bored and checked it more. How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban? As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat. I didn’t even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.
checks profile to see if he actually did confess to mass-downvoting dozens of votes at some user or some other sin that, while objectively not “abusive,” might have been at least arguably not ideal or something
One of the first things I found was:
The only reason it’s “Vote Blue no matter who” is because right now, in America’s FPTP system, the Dems are the only real alternative in most areas to the GOP. It’s a pithy saying, not a political essay. The lesson is not “LOYALTY TO COMRADE BIDEN”, but “Don’t throw your vote away on a symbolic action; preventing fascism is more important than virtue signaling to no one, especially since ballots are secret”
Ooooohhh… oh. Oh.
Good fuckin’ God man. dbzer0, we love you, quit trippin’. Just relax. Not everyone you don’t like or agree with is “abusive.”
Check out PJs LW modlog, it’s not all rainbows and sunshine. I know you love to do that anyway.
Nobody accused him of “mass downvoting”, that’s a strawman. What he was accused of was harassing one of our users, looking him up for the specific purpose of downvoting past posts/comments and to leave salty comments and reports on old threads like a goddam stalker, because he’s an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats to defeat Donald Trump. There is plenty of evidence for all of those things.
At the very least, his behaviour around this has been petty and childish, not great qualities in a mod. And if he was even a slightly reasonable person, he probably wouldn’t have quit our instance in a huff, and started up a personal grudge community to stir up pointless drama all because of a 7 day temp ban. Like just how fragile is his ego, anyway? We’ve all copped short bans without going into a full breakdown about it.
And it’s pretty well known by now (except for you it seems) PJ has a bad temper, and that he’s been losing his shit more and more lately. He even states as such in his profile. While I do feel empathy for the fact he lives in chronic pain, that’s no excuse for harassing one of our users in this manner.
I believe that Eugene was sincere in his complaint, and he was very upset by the situation. PJ has all the power in this situation as a “power mod” and very active poster. Eugene is just a random user who was targeted for his political stance. And the fact you are defending PJ here instead of believing the victim is concerning to me. Much like the “believe women” slogan during the #metoo movement, my default position is to believe my upset users, not to side with the person bullying them. That’s just how we roll at dbzer0 and I’m not gonna apologize for it.
I mean, what’s the difference between your position here and something like, “Harvey Weinstein has made lots of great movies and nobody else has complained about him, so that woman must be lying”? There is no difference. PJ is just busy trying to launder his bruised reputation imo, and you are helping him with that project.
Phillip somehow claims he doesn’t have the time/energy to respond to this, but has been replying to everything else for hours.
I think he just wants to ignore you and say he wins.
Edit: a few days now and he still refuses to. Almost like he’s acting in bad faith!
Lol who knew he was such a pugjesus fanboy?
Anyone who can read.
Nobody accused him of “mass downvoting”, that’s a strawman. What he was accused of was harassing one of our users, looking him up for the specific purpose of downvoting past posts/comments and to leave salty comments and reports on old threads like a goddam stalker, because he’s an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats to defeat Donald Trump. There is plenty of evidence for all of those things.
Truly bizarre take, especially considering that what was expressly stated was that I didn’t expressly look them up, and that the only ‘salty comment’ I left was when I was literally and explicitly mentioned by name, but thanks for confirming that this is all over you throwing a shitfit over my politics because I feel like getting murdered by Nazis is a bad deal. Sorry that my anger makes you uncomfortable over your bootlicking of Nazis.
At the very least, his behaviour around this has been petty and childish, not great qualities in a mod. And if he was even a slightly reasonable person, he probably wouldn’t have quit our instance in a huff, and started up a personal grudge community to stir up pointless drama all because of a 7 day temp ban.
“If you were a truly reasonable person, you would have sat down and meekly taken it from the Authorities like a good anarchist would!”
Sorry for not agreeing with you playing bizarre asspat games over my apparent biggest fan getting pissed that they get downvoted when I disagree with them?
And it’s pretty well known by now (except for you it seems) PJ has a bad temper, and that he’s been losing his shit more and more lately. He even states as such in his profile. While I do feel empathy for the fact he lives in chronic pain, that’s no excuse for harassing one of our users in this manner.
It’s not chronic pain which causes me to dislike people who simp for Nazis and comments which reinforce that.
PJ has all the power in this situation as a “power mod” and very active poster.
What.
How does being an active poster give me power in this situation.
For that matter, how does being a mod give me power in this situation? So far as I know, my biggest fan doesn’t even post in any of the comms I mod?
Are you just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks? lmao
I believe that Eugene was sincere in his complaint, and he was very upset by the situation.
… they’ve been upset for seven months now, then, considering that they bring me up at every opportunity to bitch about me when we rarely interact.
Like, Ghost is out here blatantly lying on things that I can (and have) literally quote to disprove, and you’re pretending they’re the victim. Because I’m a ‘turbolib’ for not wanting to get murdered by Nazis.
But hey, I get it, you need to asspat Nazi enablers like yourself, while people who are going to die because of the Nazis you ushered into office can fuck off. That’s what true solidarity means over at dbzer0, it’s quite apparent. :)
And the fact you are defending PJ here instead of believing the victim is concerning to me. Much like the “believe women” slogan during the #metoo movement, my default position is to believe my upset users, not to side with the person bullying them. That’s just how we roll at dbzer0 and I’m not gonna apologize for it.
So a seven month campaign of falsely calling me a transphobe and Zionist is okay, but downvoting someone is harassment?
Wew. You aren’t even trying to pretend to have any standards, are you?
I mean, what’s the difference between your position here and something like, “Harvey Weinstein has made lots of great movies and nobody else has complained about him, so that woman must be lying”? There is no difference. PJ is just busy trying to launder his bruised reputation imo, and you are helping him with that project.
Y I K E S
How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban?
Assuming you’re not a PJ alt, I was surprised by your comment. It got me thinking.
I’m beginning to wonder if PJ has a psychological disorder. They have stretches of being a nice, helpful person, interspersed with being a melodramatic, rage baiting, borderline troll shit stirrer. They tend to delete many of their shitty comments, showing they know the behaviour is wrong, but are still known and disliked by many for that behaviour.
Exactly, tell me you look at Pug’s comment history and their moderation history and tell me he’s “drama free”.
Notice how Phillip didn’t respond to this.
They tend to delete many of their shitty comments, showing they know the behaviour is wrong, but are still known and disliked by many for that behaviour.
Fucking what
When was the last time I deleted a comment of my own?
Oh, I don’t like engaging with him or any of his posts because he tends to be a loudmouth radlib but he is a power user and his posts on other communities are just fine.
It’d be nice if I could, like, put a comment on one of his political posts, though, without it turning into a gigantic, massive thread arguing about the specifics of electoralism and lesser evil and all of that nonsense.
he tends to be a loudmouth radlib
Okay, so now we’ve got “loser,” “twat,” “loudmouth,” has a psychological disorder, “zio,” mental issues, the whole nine yards.
And, somehow, that’s not abusive. PJ giving downvotes and arguing about politics, though, is.
Good to know.
He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib who thinks it’s fun to spend his day insulting people who bring in Marxist/anarchist theory.
By the way, radlib is not an insult. It describes his political position 🙄
Finally, he even admitted that he is a loudmouth (tangentially), so I don’t know what you’re going on about here. Someone who will argue with you for 100 plus comments I would consider to be a “loudmouth”.
And, somehow, that’s not abusive. PJ giving downvotes and arguing about politics, though, is.
It would be insulting to describe what he does as debating or arguing. He spends most of the time using falicious techniques in order to try and point score the best he can, so that he doesn’t actually have to engage with anything you say, and then when you bring up something specific, he’ll just ignore the point.
It’s also entirely inappropriate to follow a user around to small communities that you’re not a part of to downvote when the voting system is supposed to be whether or not a post matches the tone of the community.
It’s unfortunate you’re unable to view nuance.
He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib who thinks it’s fun to spend his day insulting people who bring in Marxist/anarchist theory.
LOL
By the way, radlib is not an insult. It describes his political position 🙄
Radlib is when DemSoc.
It would be insulting to describe what he does as debating or arguing. He spends most of the time using falicious techniques in order to try and point score the best he can, so that he doesn’t actually have to engage with anything you say, and then when you bring up something specific, he’ll just ignore the point.
Bruh, last time I remember arguing with you all you did was spit out the names of logical fallacies without understand what they meant. You played apologist for Russian genocide and then got upset when I was no longer interested in playing games with you.
It’s also entirely inappropriate to follow a user around to small communities that you’re not a part of to downvote when the voting system is supposed to be whether or not a post matches the tone of the community.
Which small community was I not a part of, by the way?
You know something? I actually double-checked my profile after we had that conversation. I hadn’t said shit about Russia. You made wild accusations based on my instance and my profile.
I then corrected you when I said that Russia is not committing a genocide in Ukraine because they aren’t killing roughly 500 people a day like Israel is. That’s not to say Russia isn’t committing their own atrocities. There are plenty of mass graves in Ukraine that show the ferocity of Russian occupation.
Since a dem soc is literally the most radical position a liberal takes, you’re a radical liberal. It’s almost like you don’t understand political terms.
No idea, simply repeating the argument that you posted in the screenshot from that eugenevdebs
I hadn’t said shit about Russia.
This you, Nazi?
I then corrected you when I said that Russia is not committing a genocide in Ukraine because they aren’t killing roughly 500 people a day like Israel is.
“Only the FASTEST genocide at any given time counts!”
Keep bootlicking Nazi.
Since a dem soc is literally the most radical position a liberal takes, you’re a radical liberal. It’s almost like you don’t understand political terms.
Legitimately laughed.
Are you exposing yourself as a mod of the politics community where you deleted my accurate comment that Russia isn’t committing a genocide?
And you’re pissed off about other admins abusing their power.
Alright, you little removed, since you like to whine about the Russian genocide so much, why don’t you link something from the UN claiming about how Russia’s committing a genocide? Maybe some other NGO?
Hey, you know what I found that’s really fucking interesting about this topic?
The ICJ found that there was no evidence before the court to substantiate Russia’s claims of genocide and that it was doubtful the Genocide Convention allows one country to use force in another based on alleged genocide, according to the court’s ruling.
Weird that the ICJ found probable cause in Palestine, but didn’t find anything in Ukraine.
Zionist loser says what.
It’s unfortunate you’re unable to view nuance.
Lol
Okey dokey
Radlib is when you want to abolish capitalism, and the more you want to abolish capitalism, the more radlib you are.
Abusive is when people stack up two hundred and thirteen comments freaking out about what a terrible person you are and insulting you personally, and you start replying to them
These are battered posters here, subjected to my relentless cruelty of downvotes for repeating shitty unsubstantiated slander and defending myself from easily disproven accusations that I can back with literal screenshots (which is honestly not something I often have the pleasure of doing). Press F to pay respects.
They’re the real victims here. After all, someone ambushed them and started talking about politics, which they have clearly specified in their profiles as something they don’t consent to speaking or hearing about.
Don’t even get me started on the idea of someone doing moderation about a political topic. On Lemmy.
https://lemmy.ml/post/33527767
Yeah, this had put a target on his back in any lefty instance.
Also, following a user from tiny community to tiny community that you’re not a part of just to downvote their posts that you disagree with personally because you got into an argument with somebody is a bit extreme and I agree with the admins that they did the right thing.
It’s hilarious to me that this whole community of people is having a days-long freakout about what a big deal it is that PugJesus commits this multitude of sins (which have gradually reduced in scope from “abusive” “transphobic” “zionist” whatever else into “he’s a liberal” (allegedly) “he argues about politics and I think that shouldn’t be allowed apparently”)… while also accusing him of caring way too much and being a loser therefore.
Y’all should follow your own advice, and get a life and stop freaking out about what some other person on Lemmy did.
Y’all should follow your own advice, and get a life and stop freaking out about what some other person on Lemmy did.
Tell Pug that.
Seven months of easily disproven lies, but what’s REALLY obsessive is [checks notes] downvoting comments one disagrees with
Nah we are just enjoying all the bit of Schadenfreude.
You should be telling that to PJ who spends way too much time on Lemmy. I’m not the one who created a community just a removed about being blocked. Let them know to touch some grass while you’re at it.
Also, the irony of you saying this about a power user who posts quite literally hundreds of times a week.
Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.
Ooh, you’re gonna bust out a genetic fallacy. We’re gonna start with the fallacious arguments already?
Oh, so I’m a loser for spending any time looking at this, but he’s not a loser for talking a bunch of shit about politics that he does not understand and cannot take any criticism for and spending a bunch of time being a royal asshole to everybody who disagrees with him but I am loser.
Man, I gotta go make my own little whiny community on pifed, so then maybe the great Philip the Bucket won’t see me as such a loser.
Ooh, you’re gonna bust out a genetic fallacy. We’re gonna start with the fallacious arguments already?
Okay, fair enough. Let me click on your profile and see how anti-political you are in general, so I can be sure not to judge you because of your instance.
Oh. That was quick lol. I didn’t even have to read.
Oh, so I’m a loser for spending any time looking at this
Correct. Spending extensive time criticizing some other user for some kind of imagined sin, through a lens of purely “how can I insult this person and come up with mischaracterizations or framings of real things they did that make them look as bad as possible, or else just making up total bullshit that would have been bad if they’d done it,” is loser behavior. Yes.
but he’s not a loser for talking a bunch of shit about politics that he does not understand and cannot take any criticism for
Uhhhhh
Really trying not to reach for the genetic fallacy here lol
Okay. My main point was that, caring about politics and being impassioned about wanting to say your thing and stick up for your viewpoint, also wanting to attack the perceived opposite viewpoint, is more than anything the single defining characteristic of a lot of communities on Lemmy. I’ll say it that way. To me, that’s a good thing. I was actually really happy when I came here originally and found tankies and anarchists. It speaks to (a) people who care about politics, which speaking as a terminally online weirdo I really like (b) a diversity of viewpoints. It’s a good thing. Now you’re trying to turn it around into because his viewpoint is one you don’t agree with, he’s all of a sudden a big doo doo head because he cares about it enough to argue about it… while, presumably, caring so much about it yourself that you get impassioned and start typing all heated-up about it if someone disagrees with you.
To me, arguing about politics and having strong opinions about it is fine. It is one of the defining features of Lemmy. It sounds like you’re all of a sudden only deciding that it’s this stupid loser weirdo behavior because he has a different viewpoint than you, and because you can’t handle that, you have to try to spin around in any direction you can to find something to use to attack him with. Instead of just debating with him on the merits of whatever it is (or, alternatively, just leaving it alone like a more normal person).
How’d I do at avoiding the fallacy?
Man, I gotta go make my own little whiny community on pifed, so then maybe the great Philip the Bucket won’t see me as such a loser.
No need! Your instance will happily ban anyone who disagrees with you too loudly, so you don’t need to, the whiny little community is already created for you.
Oh shit I blew it at the end lol
Yes, I was pointing out your hypocrisy, the one that you’re still very clearly showing, where you use the same things that you’re poking at me with, that you just protected PJ for doing.
Well, it’s not imagined if he’s getting, you know, banned for it. And there’s a lot of us here to corroborate how much of a “fun guy” he’s been.
I never claimed I was anti-political, I only claimed that PJ has a propensity to attack people. I will continue to argue with somebody until I feel like my point is across, and if you continue to comment, so will I.
I don’t care about his viewpoint. He’s more than allowed to have his viewpoint. He is allowed to advocate for harm reduction. He doesn’t post sources to anything that he claims, he won’t back up anything that he’s talking about, he just gets nasty. I don’t get nasty until you’re nasty first. I give what I get.
If he would, you know, maybe respond with well meaning comment talking about it in a debating fashion, and then let it go when it’s clear people aren’t going to agree, you would have a point, but that’s not what he does, and that’s not how he argues.
For instance, I happen to know quite a lot about October 7th and Hamas, and so he’s claiming that there was a ton of sexual violence done by Hamas but when the UN investigated it, they did not find systematic evidence of sexual violence, nor did Israel work with them, which is unusual. Not only that, the report he references is one that has been discredited as a source of statistics for sexual violence on October 7th. When I point out that in other similar situations like what happened in Rwanda or in Syria that they were able to track individual people the majority of the time with less surveillance I get called names for daring to ask these questions.
That’s the epitome of the way your boy debates.
He claims there’s a Russian genocide. I point out that the ICJ did not find convincing evidence that Russia was committing a genocide in Ukraine where they did find some semblance of that in Palestine. He immediately just tells me I’m parroting Russian propaganda and that I’m a Nazi. I asked for a source and he says that I’m sealioing.
Believe what you want, but this guy is not good news, he does not argue in good faith, and while he may have people’s best interests at heart, he’s certainly not winning any hearts.
Oh, so I’m a loser for spending any time looking at this, but he’s not a loser for talking a bunch of shit about politics that he does not understand and cannot take any criticism for and spending a bunch of time being a royal asshole to everybody who disagrees with him but I am loser.
lol
Yeah, this had put a target on his back in any lefty instance.
For… pointing out that Hamas did, in fact, commit sexual violence on Oct 7?
For which there is no evidence aside from claims by Zionist Israelis, the same group that is committing genocide right now. This hasbara was put to bed over a year ago.
What actually happened on Oct. 7 was that Israelis killed and burned (in no particular order) their own civilians and then blamed Hamas. And it is the Israelis themselves who have been systematically raping… Palestinians.
Edit to add: Immediately reaching for the “⚐ Create Report,” as usual 🙄
Are you claiming that Hamas, systemically, as official policy, weaponized sexual violence on October 7th?
Because then, yeah, I think we’d have a problem.
Edit:
And it looks like you’re referring to that brand-new study that was just put out by that Israeli think-tank in their best effort to try and change what the definition of sexual violence is in order to get Hamas Blacklisted? Yeah, I remember that study. It’s already been specifically discredited by the UN and a number of NGOs.
No, I’m saying Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct 7, I didn’t realize that was un-fucking clear.
Technically the UN report only said that people who invaded on October 7th committed widespread sexual violence. They stopped short of saying whether or not it was Hamas (since a lot of people who were not Hamas also took part in the invasion and there was no real way to know who it was that did any particular thing.)
Well, to play devil’s advocate, we don’t actually know if it was a Hamas. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable, There hasn’t been any other corroborating evidence. In Rwanda and in Syria during those genocides, when those sexual assaults took place, we were able to track down individuals, where there was quite a lot less surveillance. Which is tracked by the UN.
Feels like random individual actors committed sexual violence, and then the Israeli government is blaming Hamas. Wouldn’t be the first time since they accused Hamas of being ISIS while literally arming ISIS groups in Gaza to help commit a genocide
Well, to play devil’s advocate, we don’t actually know if it was a Hamas. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable, There hasn’t been any other corroborating evidence. In Rwanda and in Syria during those genocides, when those sexual assaults took place, we were able to track down individuals, where there was quite a lot less surveillance. Which is tracked by the UN.
Feels like random individual actors committed sexual violence, and then the Israeli government is blaming Hamas. Wouldn’t be the first time since they accused Hamas of being ISIS while literally arming ISIS groups in Gaza to help commit a genocide
Jesus fucking Christ.
There’s that famous response you’re so well known for.
Wait, what the fuck? I got bored and checked it more. How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban?
He has literally said he wants to start fights online because he finds it fun, and that hell never stop harassing members because he doesn’t like them.
When did he say that? Are you sure he didn’t say some totally different and more sensible thing that you’re choosing to wildly exaggerate into that?
I can actually pretty much guarantee that that’s not what he said. I guess I missed some LW politics community drama that he was involved with, so sure maybe my side was wrong initially, but I’m pretty confident that particularly the second part of that is just some kind of trumped-up misinterpretation of what he actually said.
The first part was like ~6 months back, the second part was eariler this week.
When I called him out for stalking my profile, he responded within the hour on a thread that was 10 days old. I didn’t say his name, I just documented his actions on that single post and comment, going back to my account to downvote anything I agreed with.
He then said anytime I “said something stupid” he checks my account and goes over it to downvote me. I don’t even do that and I dislike him. Check his modlog, it was one of the things he said before a mod removed it.
He also said (According to several other users) he will never forgive the “protest voters” so he’ll fight them online.
I didn’t say his name
Except that’s also a lie
He also said (According to several other users) he will never forgive the “protest voters” so he’ll fight them online.
Literally the opposite of what I said, but I know you can’t help yourself. Without lying about your favorite poster, after all, what would you have left?
Okay, so something totally different than what you said lol.
You’re welcome to dig up the actual statements and show them to me, to shed some more light. If you don’t feel like doing that, then I don’t feel like doing it on your behalf and we can conclude things there.
I’ll try to go through his account of thousands of comments in the last few months, and if I find something before I leave for work I’ll let you know. Is there a way to search someone’s entire account without just Ctrl+F?
Search
- type: Comments
- creator: him
- search field: something you remember him saying
Thank you, I’ll try to do that once I’m done prepping my crockpot and if I have time before work.
Already sourced the one from months ago that you claimed - in fact, I even used the crop you used when talking about it previously (of course, it didn’t actually say what you claim it did), so all you have to do is find the more recent comment. :)
of course, it didn’t actually say what you claim it did
I’m shocked
I’m really not trying to get drawn into giving this whole nonsense more energy than it deserves, but it is absolutely wild to me that it’s so common within this thread to think:
- PugJesus downvotes, gets mad about politics: WAR CRIMES
- People call PugJesus direct personal insults or make up literal nonsense to accuse him of to stir drama, also get mad about politics: Fine, all is well
Like if you’re starting from first principles and picking the one that should be complained about I know which one I would pick.
I didn’t even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.
They’re a mod for MeanwhileOnGrad of all places and you’ve regularly engaged in the same debates they get embroiled in. This feels like some strange feigned ignorance.
You are dead on. I hate that shit, but it’s mega popular here, especially these chronically online weirdos who think they’re in a holy war against eachothers opinions.
The dudes who have the time to get in fights and document them, or spend their precious minutes digging through mod logs for evidence. They are telling on themselves.
The dudes who have the time to get in fights and document them, or spend their precious minutes digging through mod logs for evidence. They are telling on themselves.
And Pug is doing that right now, he made a community dedicated to doing it.
Seven months of bitching and lies about some internet rando who lives rent-free in your head is impressive.
Yeah it’s feigned ignorance, he knows what he is doing.
They’re a mod for MeanwhileOnGrad of all places
Only because I can’t leave. Check the modlog.
I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean but the modlog shows you actively mod there.
Any moderating by me done on MeanwhileonGrad is if I mod coming straight from my inbox without checking the comm. I’m uncomfortable being a mod there.
Then don’t be a rubber stamp and leave it for goat to handle.
Then don’t be a rubber stamp and leave it for goat to handle.
I see, unsurprisingly, you didn’t read my comment.
Any moderating by me done on MeanwhileonGrad is if I mod coming straight from my inbox without checking the comm.
As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat.
Nobody’s perfect.
Yeah. I missed some drama because I tend to avoid lemmy.world politics forums because they are unbearable. Point taken.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49556709?scrollToComments=true
The guy denied sexual assault by Hamas during Oct 7, got upset when I called him out for it, and then immediately downvoted a bunch of anti-fascist posts, for which I banned him from the comm that he did it in. In that thread, for that matter, there are all sorts of people falsely calling me a transphobe and saying I refuse to use neopronouns.
Man, you definitely were running some major hostility towards world at one point. I’ll concede that the comment was probably overstating the point, and definitely unnecessarily hostile, but it also wasn’t unprovoked.
He was also involved in the 196 forced migration attempt: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35965565?scrollToComments=true
What
Man, I will be the first to admit I’m abrasive and do a hell of a lot more than ‘post about cool stuff and chat’, but my only involvement in the 196 migration was that when the mods did move (or try to move) 196, months after I’d stopped using Blahaj entirely, I started using it on .world.
The guy denied sexual assault by Hamas during Oct 7, got upset when I called him out for it, and then immediately downvoted a bunch of anti-fascist posts, for which I banned him from the comm that he did it in. In that thread, for that matter, there are all sorts of people falsely calling me a transphobe and saying I refuse to use neopronouns.
They denied “systematic sexual abuse by Hamas,” which is a specific claim in the report made by the Dinah Project, and which the UN has been unable to find evidence for in its own fact-finding missions (partly due to the Israeli government’s obstruction of their investigation). The UN’s own reports find some individual cases of sexual violence committed against Israelis on Oct. 7, not sexual violence committed against Israelis by Hamas as a systematic tool of war. That you refuse to acknowledge these are separate claims is the issue at hand here.
drama-free of all possible Lemmy users
That’s… not how I would describe the user.
They’re banned from blahaj lemmy for repeated and ongoing gatekeeping and they’ve got a mile long modlog…
Specifically, he said (among other similar things):
There’s an argument to be made for neopronouns in the following cases: - People who don’t like ‘They’ as singular - People who believe there should be a neopronoun(s) that is not simply neutral/neuter, but explicitly for NB identities To the first, I will die on this grammatical hill, but I also acknowledge that it’s a matter of taste. If you want to push for Xe/Xim or whichever as gender-neutral-singular, that’s fine, and I’ll respect your pronouns, but I really do think that ‘they’ is perfectly serviceable as-is and we should just expand usage of it. If the cultural zeitgeist goes against it, though, it’s whatever, if Xe/Xim becomes the new norm, I’ll swap to Xe/Xim. To the second, I understand the argument, but I find it non-intuitive. I’ll respect the pronouns of people who want a dozen different new pronouns added to the lexicon, but I’ll also vehemently argue against the practice. Pronouns are meant to streamline communication, and gendered language itself is something of a relict.
“Gatekeeping.” Ban.
This whole thing is stupid. I don’t even want to step into or bring up the other big relevant issue that caused strife because it’s even stupider than that.
You guys are fuckin’ with this guy because he did downvoting, and because he expressed what overall sounded to me like pretty reasonable opinions honestly.
People aren’t hating on you here. It’s fine. You don’t have to turn everyone into an enemy.
am I misunderstanding the definition of gatekeeping? It sounds like he doesn’t like neo-pronouns because the complicate language and he sees them as pointless but will still use them?
Is from when blajah was bending over backwards to defend drag?
Specifically, I wasn’t banned for anything regarding pronouns - I was banned from Blahaj, MONTHS after I’d stopped using Blahaj (because I wasn’t interested in stirring up trouble breaking another instance’s rules) for saying, on dbzer0, that I didn’t believe in dragons
Drag is banned from blahaj. Gatekeeping people’s identities and pronouns is still against the rules.
Wait wtf why? I thought blahaj was in support of marginalized communities
Yea and the dragon person constantly mocked trans people.
Even beyond the transparent transphobic trolling they were displaying in the first place, even after Ada got reports that they were actively encouraging other users to harm themselves and other objectively rule-breaking behavior, she was still going to bat for them and refusing to take any action (and still taking action against anyone who criticized them), and basically explained that it was because she felt bad that they were getting so much abuse so she was willing to overlook their misbehavior. Eventually, they did something to Ada, and at that point, she suddenly realized they were bad, and evicted them.
Everybody makes mistakes and misjudgements. It’s fine. But I feel like Ada has probably experienced things in her life that make it feel like pronouns are the most important thing, for example more important even than kicking out an obvious troll or making a safe space for queer people who are looking for a place to be but don’t 100% agree with or obey her stance on certain things. I think it makes her susceptible to viewing every situation through that singular lens, and thinking anyone viewing it through any other lens at all must be being evil on purpose (and then going on the attack against them). Q.v., comments elsewhere in this thread.
I have no idea. I tried to talk sense into her elsewhere in these comments, got nowhere, and oh well.
Drag was a prolific troll, drag just has a right to their pronouns ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’ve perma-banned me from 11 communities on blahaj.zone for ‘Racism/Bigotry’. Care to point out which posts or comments of mine caused you to activate the banhammer?
I haven’t banned you from any communities. I instance banned you. Which I did, because you implied that Arab folk are all sexist.
Which comes on the back of previous comments removed for transphobia, insults and posting swastikas.
I’ll be instance banning you again now.
Still waiting
Still waiting for receipts.
Unlike other mods who either removed my comments or temp banned me from specific communities, you’ve permabanned me from one instance and are saying you’ll do it for another.
Let’s see how horrible my posts/comments were to merit such drastic action.
you implied that Arab folk are all sexist.
Which comment? Also, implied? Are you sure that’s not you reading too much into something because of your own biases?
transphobia
Which comment?
insults
Seriously?
posting swastikas.
I’m a Hindu guy from India. You’ve got a problem with that?
Nazis called their symbol Hakenkreuz (Hooked Cross). I wonder why Anglos chose a word associated with Eastern religions when translating that.
Gatekeeping is when you don’t think what I want you to, so I have to remove you from my community because you didn’t think what I wanted you to (edit: means YOU were gatekeeping, obviously, in case somehow it wasn’t clear)
Abuse is when you downvote people I say you can’t downvote
Ban is okay though, for someone I say it’s okay for. That’s not abuse like downvotes are. Obviously.
Get with the program
/s
And if it was a single comment, you’d have a point, but it was ongoing, repeated and deliberate arguments in a space that had explicit rules against what he was doing, rules that he understood. And rather than following the rules, or posting in other communities, he brought it up over and over again, arguing that he has the right to decide other people’s identities.
And when banned for it, he made sure to keep adding flames to the fire.
Whatever else he is, he is not drama free.
Is blahaj drama free?
People have pointed out some times when he intersected with some drama that I wasn’t aware of, so sure, fair enough. I guess my point is even when I look at those he definitely was not the source of the drama in the situation. He was banned from blahaj for literally just showing up and saying reasonable things. If that’s against the rules of your instance, then sure, you can do that, but don’t try to flip it around where the person showing up saying reasonable things is all of a sudden an asshole somehow.
Nothing in the comment I quoted is “adding flames to the fire.” It’s not “repeated and deliberate arguments.” Nothing is transphobic, nothing is denying anyone else’s identity. That’s why I quoted some of the actual words, to make it clear how ultimately reasonable he was being however you want to spin it into some kind of hate crime. A lot of people feel like, if they think something reasonable, they’re allowed to say it, and it’s weird and controlling for some other person to say that opinion is the incorrect opinion and demand that they not say it within certain spaces.
I get that you’re interpreting it as some kind of deliberate naughty disobedience, but you’re not his boss, you’re not his parent. The whole “moderator” / “ban” paradigm has brought in this nutty thinking where people who run an instance can be the boss of what opinions are allowed or not allowed on that instance. It’s weird. In my opinion.
Blahaj policy is very explicitly that it’s a safe space, and transphobia and transphobia-adjacent content (and other forms of bigotry) will be removed. It’s supposed to be somewhere people can go and have it taken as axiomatic that their neopronouns are valid, and therefore they won’t have to debate them, so while it’s pretty reasonable to say that you’d prefer people grew to be happy with they and neopronouns didn’t become a permanent feature of English because they’re awkward, it’s not Blahaj-friendly, so can’t be said on Blahaj, especially if you’re going to repeat it a lot.
It’s perfectly reasonable for people to like crisps, but it doesn’t mean I have to let people keep adding them to my cake when I’m trying to eat cake.
Blahaj policy is very explicitly that it’s a safe space, and transphobia and transphobia-adjacent content (and other forms of bigotry) will be removed. It’s supposed to be somewhere people can go and have it taken as axiomatic that their neopronouns are valid, and therefore they won’t have to debate them, so while it’s pretty reasonable to say that you’d prefer people grew to be happy with they and neopronouns didn’t become a permanent feature of English because they’re awkward, it’s not Blahaj-friendly, so can’t be said on Blahaj, especially if you’re going to repeat it a lot.
But not only did I explicitly say that I was willing to use neopronouns, but my ban from Blahaj was over something said OFF of Blahaj entirely, long after I stopped using Blahaj. Namely, I said that I didn’t believe that dragons were real, and for that reason, Ada was summoned, and thought that was a great reason to instance ban someone who hadn’t even used Blahaj in months.
Yeah. The whole thing is stupid. I’m moderately confident that this is either:
- People ganging up as a very organized effort to try to bully you out of the space as they did FlyingSquid, when you (I think with every righteous reason) decide this bullshit is unpleasant and unfair and you don’t feel like putting up with it anymore. I’ve already semi-abandoned the political spaces on lemmy.world, not even because I was getting bullied with any level of success, but just because the overall flavor of the interaction is so toxic and fact-free.
- People who are just operating on pure tribalism. It’s fine for them to accuse you of all kinds of stuff you objectively didn’t do, call you a twat and a loser, all kinds of stuff. It’s not fair for you to argue about politics or downvote people, those are evidence of toxicity and sins. Because they’re on the “right” team and you’re on the “neoliberal enemy” team, so they can do what they want, you can’t. Reminiscent of a popular political viewpoint in the US…
Honestly, I wouldn’t even stress about it. I get the impulse to try to defend yourself vigorously from this stuff but they’re not going to listen to anything sensible anyway, and they’ll be able to cherry pick instances of you getting upset to use later as proof that you’re some kind of monster. If you want my advice about how to look at it.
Yes. That’s one of the problems with the “I am lord and master of this domain, and all will obey me and my nutty definitions of words like ‘transphobia’ into some wild alternate reality” model. Human interaction doesn’t need to work that way, even if it gets more comfortable when you’re aligned with the lord and master to do it that way.
Personally I think that two things are going on here: One, the whole Lemmy model where people are divided into the lords who must be obeyed no matter how arbitrary their rules, and the people who must obey, breeds and normalizes some toxic models of interaction. And, two, basically 100% of Lemmy is already queer-friendly and trans-friendly, and so an instance that wants to “stand out” as a particularly queer-friendly instance has to keep ratcheting up the level of overt queer-friendliness of the rules of their instance until they’re again in a position of giving other people a hard time for not being queer-friendly enough. And so the inevitable conclusion is that the rules have to include things like “dragon is a gender!” and “questioning certain things I say is transphobia even when it’s not!”
Like I say, in my opinion, the whole thing is fuckin’ ridiculous. I have heard the same from queer people who have been drummed out of blahaj for exactly the same reasons (basically, having and stating opinions that aren’t the official lord-and-master opinion.) In my opinion that makes for a bad model for an instance. It’s got nothing to do with the identity of the people who are making the rules that way for the instance, it has to do with the nature of the interactions that it causes.
That’s one of the problems with the “I am lord and master of this domain, and all will obey me and my nutty definitions of words like ‘transphobia’ into some wild alternate reality” model.
Ah yes, defining what is and what isn’t transphobic to a bunch of trans people. Always a good look. I look forward to your panel on teaching black people what is and what isn’t racist next.
This is literally how Reddit works. There are ground rules that Reddit made, and the mods for each subreddit are free to make their own on top of that and enforce them as they please. If you want some open floor of debate, Twitter is right there. Blahaj was made by trans people, for trans people. You are in our home by our grace, like a straight man at a lesbian bar. You can’t be surprised when the owners take umbrage with you repeatedly coming in and trying to debate “what is and isn’t homophobic” with the lesbians. And this isn’t some crazy demand - it’s literally just asking you to call people what they want to be referred to by. I shudder to think how you handle nicknames when Frederick wants to go by Rick instead of Fred. Regardless of how silly you or I may think “drag” is as a pronoun, you still should refer to drag as such because it’s simply basic human decency. Respecting people isn’t some reward you can dole out to the worthy like a lord in his fiefdom.
And the reason that Lemmy seems so queer-friendly is because of the constant battle of the mods and admins across the instances to keep it that way. There are right-wing chud instances out there that you and I have never seen because the rest of Lemmy refuses to federate with them.
You act like the majority of us on Blahaj don’t agree with these policies. Like it’s a dictatorship that we’re being subjected to against our will. Queer, and trans, people aren’t one homogenous block of opinions, there are going to be plenty of disagreements and that’s okay. Blahaj just isn’t for them, like Blair White wouldn’t fit in either and Blahaj is better off for that.
It’s a feature, not a bug, at least when they’re upfront about it. With non-federated platforms, you’re still subject to the domain’s lord and master, but you can’t pick who that is or maintain access to your communities if you upset them.
While Blahaj isn’t the right instance for me, it’s no problem that it exists side by side with other instances, and people who want to use social media with no risk of running into things they’re already fed up with can have a place for that. If you get banned from somewhere, it’s because it wasn’t the right fit for you, and nothing’s stopping you from finding or making a place that is. It’s not like the has to be only one 196, it’s just that the one where all the cool people are is the one where everyone agrees to give everyone the benefit of the doubt on all things gender and sexuality.
Is blahaj drama free?
I hope not.
We’re an explicitly protective, safe space for a minority group that is actively targeted by governments, political institutions, churches, and bigots in general
So of course we create drama. Bigots will make sure of it.
He was banned from blahaj for literally just showing up and saying reasonable things. If that’s against the rules of your instance
Nah. He was banned for repeatedly, deliberately, and knowingly breaking the rules. Whether or not you think gatekeeping someones identity is acceptable, blahaj.zone has rules against it, and his response to it was to deliberately break the rules and stir up shit.
A lot of people feel like, if they think something reasonable, they’re allowed to say it, and it’s weird and controlling for some other person to say that opinion is the incorrect opinion and demand that they not say it within certain spaces.
Tough shit. When someones “reasonable” opinion involves positioning themselves as the arbiter of other folks validity and identity, they’re doing harm. When they choose to repeatedly and deliberately do that in a safe space for those folk, they’re repeatedly and deliberately doing harm and breaking the rules.
All of which to say, even if you’re a gatekeeper like him, who thinks that you have the right to tell other people their own identities, if you come in to a blahaj community and do it, you’re breaking blahaj rules. If you choose to knowingly and repeatedly do it, whilst then complaining about it in various meta spaces, then you’re breaking rules and stirring up drama.
I did it again, typed a bunch of tit-for-tat stuff and then deleted it. Here’s my attempt to get to the heart of the matter (partially from elsewhere in this thread):
If blahaj admins would just be straight-up about it, and say “Listen. This dragon person is clearly a troll, and we’re banning them for that reason, but we don’t want to allow people to decide pronouns on a case-by-case basis. In this case, the rule produces a stupid result, but that’s the rule we settled on and we have good reasons not to bend it in any circumstance or have to have long debates about this stuff every week, so please respect it or we will ban you,” I don’t think there would be any kind of issue. That’s a decent and human-to-human interaction that gets across the point and still respects the good reasons for the rule. To me (and maybe you may disagree with this), it seemed like instead of that they said “HOW DARE YOU MISGENDER THIS PERSON YOU TRANSPHOBIA ADJACENT BIGOT” and then went on to (as in the current post) continue to whine about how horrible it was that anyone was trying to point out that (a) the user in question was clearly a transphobic troll (b) blahaj going to bat for them was ridiculous. And, you still constantly talk about how those people were wrong, and bigoted, and shouldn’t be talking that way even off the blahaj instance.
Same for banning PJ. It would be fine if you said “He was kind of pushy about trying to make his point and although he clearly wasn’t coming from any hostile place, we tried explaining the rules and he kept doing it, so we banned him.” But no. It’s “repeatedly and deliberately doing harm,” complaining about him trying to justify himself off-instance after the ban like he is required to just shut up and take it instead of voicing his side of the story, “positioning themselves as the arbiter of other folks validity and identity,” all this apocalyptic stuff.
I mean… aren’t you positioning yourself as the arbiter of other folks’ validity and identity? You positioned yourself as the protector of LGBTQ+ people but you have no problem booting them from your space if they don’t adhere to your precise details of what that means. (Like, for example, protecting the space from obviously-transphobic trolls, I feel like some of them would think you should be proactive about.) When you boot them for not adhering to that, isn’t that… gatekeeping? Or no?
t would be fine if you said "He was kind of pushy about trying to make his point and although he clearly wasn’t coming from any hostile place,
He was repeatedly and deliberately gatekeeping people’s identities. I don’t know how to make that any clearer to you.
Whether or not any given person is a troll, it’s not an excuse to make people’s identities a reward for good behaviour.
If you decide that taking away peoples identities “because they’re a troll” is ok, then you’re telling the gender diverse people around you that you don’t see them for who they are, and that you’re just pretending to accept them as long as they behave in ways you find appropriate. Normalising the idea that we can decide other peoples identities is literally the goal of trolls, and so when you see a troll and decide that’s a good reason to invalidate people, you’re feeding the troll, and hurting the gender diverse folk around you.
I will respect a trolls identity, even as I ban them, because opening the door to deciding which identities are valid does nothing but hurt vulnerable people.
This was all explained to PJ, several times, and he doubled down. And tripled down. Whilst explicitly denying people’s identities.
He was coming from a hostile place, and refused to leave it, even when it was explained to him.
I mean… aren’t you positioning yourself as the arbiter of other folks’ validity and identity?
The fact that you’re equating the creation of protective rules in explicitly safe spaces as being morally identical to gatekeeping other folks identities makes me doubt your intentions. If you genuinely believe they’re the same thing, you’ve got a lot of work to do. And if you don’t believe they’re the same thing, but are comparing them to win an internet discussion, then you’re the one stirring up drama…
Over the freaking Drag troll issue. You’ll forgive us if not everybody shares the same opinion of who’s creating the drama in that particular case.
Drag, as in someone who is also banned from Blahaj? 🤨
Yeah, they finally got tired of his trolling and banned him on a technicality
(The trolling isn’t and never was the neopronouns)
I agree. And, for that matter, not only did I always make a serious effort to use Drag’s pronouns, but I never actually had a problem with Drag. I accept from the stories I’ve heard that Drag was probably a troll, but all of this nonsense about me having some grudge against Drag or something are… bizarre. I think I had one fight with Drag long after I left Blahaj, admittedly I don’t remember what about.
There’s more than that https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49571446/20253309
That seems unrelated to the Blahaj comment?
drama-free
That’s not how I would describe the user
Yeah, I was mostly just referring to the bit about being banned from Blahaj. Shoulda made that clear
Even on that, he was involved in the 196 forced migration attempt
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35965565?scrollToComments=true
They do try to gatekeep gender in other ways though.
You shouldn’t judge a user by the length of their modlog.
Ada’s idea of gatekeeping includes using “you” as a pronoun.
The other reply here, from the name I will not type, is by an instance-hopping / ban-evading spam goblin who posts right-wing propaganda and pretends he’s just a curious lil leftist who thinks it’s neat-o.
This whole thing is an ESH that may extend to everyone commenting, including me.
You’ve perma-banned me from 11 communities on blahaj.zone for ‘Racism/Bigotry’. Care to point out which posts or comments of mine caused you to activate the banhammer?
Probably this and they missed the sarcasm.
I don’t want to speculate. I want to see what they have to say.
dbzer0, we love you,
Speak for yourself. I’ve got no love for AI-bros.
We’ve got no love for your instance either. A cesspit of liberal bullshit and zio nonsense.
Both of your instances don’t even end on .nl *shakes head*
Finally. Something we can all agree on.
I’m not sure which of the two previous comments was the worst generalization or shit take I’ve seen in a while. It’s pretty ridiculous all these people that reflexively get bent out of shape around anything regarding llms or generative models. Especially considering anarchists explicitly don’t support the wealthy bourgeoisie using it to displace workers and regular people. They are just tools and can be used for good or bad.
But implying that .world is a haven for liberal zionists. Is an equally bad take. Easily disproven by just spending a few minutes there. I think anyone making this sort of accusation is probably more likely to be the problem they accuse others of.
Either way. Both are problematic and emblematic of talking past each other and not to each other. Which isn’t damning, all of us have the capability to do it. Just discouraging how frequently we all do it.
.world and most of the fediverse is generally a political leftist safe-space. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous. Go on the front page and youll see a constant stream of muh capitalism-bad, every other meme has to be about gay/trans/neopronoun stuff or a poorly veiled political commentary (often both), endless doomerism about the environment, class system and social justice imbalances. If you dare to ever point this out you’ll get hit with the ol’ “EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL HAHA WANNA CRY ABOUT IT SNOWFLAKE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE” deflection theyre probably used to being on the recieving end of.
It screams 'Social media for liberal arts students in their 20s-30s Who decided the best use of their time, financial investment, and education potential was to be formally taught drawing in-between political lessons teaching ‘straight white men bad and need to be opressed since you cant oppress the oppressor’, think they have all the solutions to societies problems because they read a book on economic theory and restorative justice for minorities theory that semester.
AI tech bros generally have no respect for the humanities or art as a creative process. Theres a non-zero amount of ai-bros who get off on the fact that artist aren’t going to be the last to be outsourced to automation like they think they were, and the work artist create arent untouchable products of creativity (that tech bros happen to not posess and thus are envious of/ dont respect as valuable). Theres a kind of art and creativity in AI with frontier researchers contributing beautiful proofs stitching together new frameworks from classical literature that are too nerdy and formal for artist to appreciate. Engineers and buisiness people see dollar signs and cost calculations, crunch the numbers, and decide its cheaper to use stable diffusion to boilerplate graphical design than hire an artist. The fact some people go out of their way to brag and rub it in artist faces while stealing their work to have a trained model copy their approximate style/likeness with none of the soul that human touch adds. Yeah its easy to understand why the liberal arts crowd and the AI crowd have some bad blood.
The artist are rightfully insulted and existentially threatened, the AI community is at best indifferent and at worst maliciously gleeful about it. The current copyright system is too outdated to appropriately protect their creative works and even if it were’t the megacorps like facebook, non-copyright respecting foreign countries, and usual internet pirates wouldn’t give a fuck anyways. The only silver lining is artist are historically gatekeepy smug pricks with emotional complexes so maybe a bit of ego shattering and reality checks could do them some good. Still, I’d rather see society respect their works as a right even if they are obnoxious assholes.
Until this tension relieves I don’t see the two sides making ammends.
Wth is going on with the db0 instance? Db0 the guy seems very chill and understanding, at least in the posts I’ve seen.
Db0 is still very chill and understanding. Seems like the person reported here is having a hard time recently
Db0 is still very chill and understanding
That has not been my experience at all
That’s because you’re an slopper constantly trolling in our comms.
an slopper
Not sure what a “slopper” is. Is that when people make note of sloppy grammar?
constantly trolling in our comms
This is what you have chosen to believe and regurgitate in spite of a lack of any real evidence or basic reasoning.
How could I be “constantly trolling in [your] comms” having blocked the instance months ago? Your whole claim immediately falls apart as soon as you apply any logic.
A while back I had made a few complaints about AI slop in dbzer0 not knowing about the secret hidden rule of that instance that you cannot make any reasonable complaints about AI or else you will get targeted and swarmed by frothing users and power-tripping admins/mods. Then, absolutely wild claims and accusations, at the conspiracy-theory level, were made by, and/or supported by, dbzer0 users/mods/admins and any cult-like followers of the such with a complete disregard for even simple logic, like Occam’s Razor. After some failed attempts to defend myself with reasoning from those insane claims and accusations, while admins participated or supported the mob, I had blocked the instance. Since then, I still get dbzer0 cult people following me around and harassing me with the same baseless claims you’re flinging at me now.
db0 did absolutely nothing but help support the mob-behavior,. They even supported the dbzer0 brigade of fuck_AI by showing up themself and acting like a typical politician making false claims and conveniently ignoring points in order to spin the narrative to support the aforementioned behavior.
So, yeah. I’m not a fan of db0 or the entire instance, thanks to shitty behavior like you’re showing here.
Slopper are assholes who go around hijacking comment threads to tell everyone about what they think of genAI “slop”. So I think you fit the description just fine.
Let’s analyze this encounter here to show how you and your like really like to act.
- Someone says “x person is chill”.
- I respond pretty simply “That has not been my experience at all”
- That is putting it nicely, even. Just simply disagreeing based on actual experiences with them.
- You reply with a needlessly rude response making wild claims with no proof or evidence.
- Trying to start shit, as your cult fam puts it. No chill.
- My response
- I start off by rebuffing your attempt at an insult. Again, you’re needlessly
- Then I point out very simply that your claims already fall flat as soon as you but any effort into thinking about your claims.
- I follow up with an explanation of my position with my experience and reasoning behind it.
- You double-down on trying to start shit. Clearly attempting to escalate.
- You triple-down with an objectively childish response of some sort of image of a baby. The irony is unbelievably hilarious. This message was such an asshole move that the mod removed it.
Based on this alone, you have already established that you are the asshole here.
But let’s take a little walk down this road a bit and analyze this further.
Your whole position is that you are allowed to be a childish asshole to me because I make comments about my frustration with AI slop. First, it’s really only occasionally when I make a few comments here and there about AI slop, and many times it’s literally because the AI slop has been posted in a community that explicitly forbids it — I’m such an asshole for that! But, let’s assume my intention is to be annoying about it and bother people by basically saying “ugh more AI slop”, is that really a good reason to act like you have been here, let alone fucking everywhere I go where you seem to not stop harassing me about having a fucking different opinion than you?
The simple fact is: I just don’t like AI the same way you and other people do and it can be very frustrating at times. There is not some sort of shadow cabal with the sole purpose of following around AI users and working together to mob and brigade AI communities. That’s much closer to what you and many dbzer0 users are actually doing(examples: [1], [2], I had more easy links but I can’t link to them due to being deleted because a user was banned or the mods removed them). The claims of brigades is literally just because of a coincidence due to the fact there are a significant amount of people who are frustrated by AI. That’s the simplest and most straightforward explanation that you and others are conveniently ignoring.
Additionally, there are plenty of valid and reasonable reasons to have issues with AI, to list only some of them:
- The fact it’s exponentially adding to the enshitification of nearly everything by being shoved into products and services that don’t need it and driving up the costs of services with no way of declining and keeping things as they were at the same cost
- Being used as a weapon of misinformation and disinformation
- Pushing the dead internet theory closer and closer to a full-blown reality
- The profiting off other people’s work by plagiarism, copyright infringement, and maliciously scraping content creating a strain on people’s resources that they have to pay for
- People unintentionally spreading misinformation and disinformation by because AI generated content was not explicitly tagged as such
- Corporations using it to make fucked up decisions that would not have been an option without it
- The constant overhype and mischaracterization of its capabilities
- The fact it’s fucking everywhere and so much so there is literally nowhere you can go without AI having corrupted it somehow
And yet, you think it’s okay to go around acting like a wad of rotting dick cheese to people because they don’t agree with your perspective on AI because “omg people won’t stop saying they don’t like AI!”. Come-fucking-on.
I’m so fucking tired of you and the other dbzer0 nutbags.
Because you start shit and don’t like consequences.
Oof.
That’s legit. The UN report clearly found that people from the Hamas side of the fighting had committed widespread sexual assaults. Bringing up misleading talking points and blog posts to try to spin it around into the report finding the opposite is textbook misinformation.
I actually don’t agree with banning people for this type of misinformation, I think arguing back in kind is the right way in most cases. But if you’re going to ban misinformation (which most of Lemmy seems to think is okay), then this is a pretty reasonable ban.
(It’s probably offtopic to get into an extended argument about the original Hamas sexual assault claims under this post… if anyone wants to re-inaugurate my whole “debatebro” community by having it out with me there about it though let me know and I’m down a little later today.)
Db0 is still very chill and understanding.
Not really. Db0 constantly bans folk for extremely petty and inconsistent reasons, especially if they dare to express political views he doesn’t like.
I’ve never had a problem with that user either.
Not only have I never had a problem with him, I’ve literally never seen him have a problem with anyone or vice versa.
I looked back in his modlog, and pretty much what I found was silliness. I’ve said before, I really think there are people on Lemmy trying to stir up absurd drama for reasons of their own to use to attack mods especially that they don’t like and get others to bully them for being “wrong” in some kind of artificial way on some kind of various hot-button issue. This looks 100% like that.
Anyone who feels like this dude is wrong, go look at his modlog, make your own decision.
Not only have I never had a problem with him, I’ve literally never seen him have a problem with anyone or vice versa.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35965565?scrollToComments=true
I love your username by the way.
How did dbzer0 pick literally the most helpful and drama-free of all possible Lemmy users to ban? As far as I can tell, literally the only thing the dude does is post about cool stuff and chat. I didn’t even know he was active as a moderator in any real capacity.
hmm now I’m curious
>checks
AHAHAHAHA no. Funny, but no. I have that dude blocked, I can’t remember exactly why but I’ve had him blocked for at least a year and I remember his username and him being a twat, I just don’t care enough to go looking up how he was a twat.
AHAHAHAHA no. Funny, but no.
Can I do that too? I mean, I have enough respect for the people reading my stuff to explain why I think things so they can think it over, see if it makes sense, I mean they’re free to agree or disagree but I guess I was wasting my time with that when AHAHAHAHAHA means obviously I’m right and the other person is wrong…
I can’t remember exactly why but I’ve had him blocked for at least a year and I remember his username and him being a twat
Okay. Who are you? Why do I take your opinion about him seriously just because you say it and actively refuse to give any reason?
Okay. Who are you?
The same could be said of you. Why should anyone take the former admin of a presumably failed single-person instance seriously?
Lol
Because I explain the reasons for what I think, and then people can decide for themselves whether it makes sense. I don’t really have to be anybody (and, indeed, I am not) for it to sway people.
There’s a whole other contingent that likes to fall back on “but I am (this identity)!” or “well I’m the moderator of (wherever)” to justify their stuff. Or, like this person, just AHAHAHAHAHA instead of reasons. I like my way better.
You can have whatever opinion about the guy you want, I was just offering that I’ve had personal experience with someone you classify as “the most helpful and drama-free” being anything but, and if he got banned he probably deserved it. I’m very sorry I don’t feel like digging through every comment I’ve/he’s ever written to go and remember exactly why I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead, all I can remember is that I’ve interacted with him, and he was enough of an obnoxious dickhead to justify blocking him. You’re welcome to go do so if you don’t believe me.
Yeah what was I thinking looking up his modlog, quoting some of the stuff that got him banned, and weighing in on it and specifically why. I should have just said I liked him, and “if he got banned, he probably didn’t deserve it” all confident-like, and called it a day. It’s easier, too.
no, next time just don’t
suck him offmake sweeping claims of someone’s impeccable character unless you’re prepared for someone else who’s had personal experience to the contrary to pipe up. That’d be good enough.if that’s too much of an ask I can always just block you as well, though, I genuinely don’t care. Out of sight, out of mind.
edit: goodness, that’s a long reply and from just skimming the start of it, it seems you went to a lot of trouble to make a strawman. Too bad I ain’t reading allat, you take care now.
edit: goodness, that’s a long reply and from just skimming the start of it, it seems you went to a lot of trouble to make a strawman. Too bad I ain’t reading allat, you take care now.
Apology accepted, you too
So I said “Hey here’s what I think”
And so then you said “well you’re WRONG because here’s what I think instead”
So far so good
And then I said “Well I have reasons for what I think and you seem to be just shouting your opinion and only that so it seems like I win”
And then you said “HOW DARE YOU HERE’S WHAT I THINK YOU’RE BEING UNFAIR”
And then I got even more sarcastic about it and now you are hurt because of it
It’s understandable I guess. I still think that opinion + reasons is better than just OPINION OPINION OPINION even if I do grasp that you might have had different experiences than I have had and so different perspectives to bring to bear. Like I say you are refusing to elaborate even in the slightest which I feel like is a fair thing to ask you to do if you’re going to call another human being a “twat.”
All good, you’re free to block me if the sarcasm is overly hurtful, I do do that sometimes.
Good fuckin’ God man. dbzer0, we love you, quit trippin’. Just relax. Not everyone you don’t like or agree with is “abusive.”
I mean, db0 previously banned me from a comm for being a ‘turbolib’ because I argued for harm reduction on anarchist grounds.
May be this (emphasis mine):
Removed Comment
Me: “Oh look, the ghost said something stupid again. I wonder what they’ve been up to.” [clicks profile] [sure enough, more stupid things are said, including blatant misinformation] Sorry that you say stupid things and break the rules, I guess? > I recall a few weeks back he said that because I don’t call out .ml that much (funny how he ignores me calling out Hexbear) I somehow must mass downvote his posts across lemmy. lol I’m sure you can quote me. It would be awful if your memory was as poor as your ability to construct coherent arguments. AND a place of honor in your bio? That’s unironically great. Thanks for helping spread me all over the Fediverse!Maybe the admin misread? Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.
I tried to take a short look at the data but PJ has over 150k votes which probably breaks the page I use. (Admins can natively see this info in lemmy)
Or they read that and then actually checked the data and found PJ did downvote all that other users stuff or smthn.
Correct, I gave my admin over 25 links documenting it, after he said he stalks my account to do it.
That sounds a lot more justified then, thanks for the info.
For that extra certainty, was it consecutive comments and posts?
Could you have feasibly come across all of them organically if you used lemmy an unhealthy amount?For that extra certainty, was it consecutive comments and posts?
It was anything he disagreed with, so it would skip some posts.
Could you have feasibly come across all of them organically if you used lemmy an unhealthy amount?
Even for Pug, no. It was including communities for only db0 members, small communities he’s not part of, and posts going back a month.
He literally told me he saw me make one post and then stalked my account. He told me he always searches his username online for when people talk about him.
Deeply disturbed individual who needs to relax.
Because it’s rude and not constructive. It’s not a permaban offense but this kind of toxicity is part of why I left Reddit. We can do better and model positive arguments even with people we vehemently disagree with. If someone is being unreasonable, just disengage and move on.
People using report function as down vote around this here fora
