If you are ever asked this question, or any variation of it, by someone who supports Israel, do not dignify it with an answer.

It is nothing but an attempt to distract from the obvious fact that for the best part of a century the Palestinian people have been living under the boot of an oppressive apartheid regime that is guilty of crimes that far exceed anything Hamas could ever even dream of committing.

Do not give the zionist fucks an inch.

  • supafuzz [comrade/them]English
    65•2 years ago

    I don’t denounce a god-damn thing

    Israel says that the Palestinians are “human animals;” that’s exactly backwards. Animals are what they want. Docile cattle who will allow themselves to be penned up, half-starved, whipped, branded, and culled by ol’ Farmer Zion.

    Standing up, breaking the fence, and fighting back is exactly what proves the Palestinians are still human, despite Israel’s best efforts to the contrary.

  • bestagoner [none/use name]English
    50•2 years ago

    A little bit to my surprise, ol’ Norman Finkelstein, in his media appearances since this latest development in the occupation, has refused to condemn Hamas. In his interview with Chris Hedges yesterday, he explained this decision with reference to slave revolts in the US, John Brown, and the Haitian revolution. I think it’s a sound comparison.

    • Poogona [he/him]English
      40•2 years ago

      Yes yes I bring up the slave revolts whenever I get asked this. Feels like a perfect comparison to me. Most libs will admit that they think slaves freeing themselves was justification for violence, and they did kill innocent people in more than one uprising.

      The most common response I hear is that “this is different, Hamas is getting funding from the real bad guys who just want to attack Jews.” During many of the slave revolts, there are records of voices claiming “this isn’t an honest rebellion, they are the unwitting stooges of the French/Spanish who just want to attack Brits!”

      • Tachanka [comrade/them]English
        26•2 years ago

        During many of the slave revolts, there are records of voices claiming “this isn’t an honest rebellion, they are the unwitting stooges of the French/Spanish who just want to attack Brits!”

        in the American War of Independence, the British offered freedom to slaves who fought against colonists. Many joined up with the “Ethiopian” regiment of the redcoats for that reason. So the lesson here is even if they are working for a foreign power… So fucking what!!! Don’t enslave them and maybe that wouldn’t be their only option! Where else are they gonna get guns and training?

          • Tachanka [comrade/them]English
            5•2 years ago

            I wouldn’t call it a Bri’ish W. It was opportunism. They foresaw the loss of their colonies and so decided to use a bunch of black men as human shields in a desperate attempt to keep those colonies. It was less driven by an ideological sympathy for abolitionism than it was driven by a desire to keep their colonial holdings. The British also opportunistically supported the confederacy during the civil war because they benefited tremendously from the American cotton market in their textile industry. Had the British held onto colonial America, it is very possible they would have betrayed the Ethiopian regiment at the end of the war and put them back in chains, or even more likely, just keep using them as cannon fodder until they all died.

        • Poogona [he/him]English
          12•2 years ago

          That’s a great clip, very succinct. And thankfully (for my own sake) it’s gentle to the guy saying he hates violence. For me, at least growing up in America, “nonviolence” felt like a radical position because it was contrary to the infuriating common American ethos that sometimes you jus’ gotta grit yer teeth and do the deed. (the deed being dropping white phosphorus on brown town)

          Another case of reactionaries figuring out how to be the most annoying pieces of shit in the world

        • bestagoner [none/use name]English
          11•2 years ago

          I love how the questioner in that clip just smiles, nods and walks away instead of further replying, like ‘damn, you got me’. He doesn’t seem mad about it either— he looks like maybe it’s really given him something to think about.

        • Venus [she/her]English
          10•2 years ago

          Fucking brutal, I love it. He didn’t waste any time destroying that poor kid’s worldview

      • SerLava [he/him]English
        8•2 years ago

        A couple weeks ago he tweeted something absolutely cutting and accurate about the early responses from AOC and Ilhan Omar, but decided to start the tweet off with some bizarre boomeristic Dumb Woman shit

        • bestagoner [none/use name]English
          9•2 years ago

          He’s on a half-informed anti-idpol/politically incorrect kick for the past few years, and combined with his tendency to really stick it to people and actions that he feels lack integrity, it sometimes leads him to engage in insults and boomerisms that ultimately undermine his valid points. It’s a real shame because he still has a lot of value to say and he’s getting in his own way when he does that.

  • micnd90 [he/him,any]English
    49•2 years ago

    Yes, I denounce Hamas for not fighting hard enough. Death to America, there was no WMD in Iraq, Great Satan cope and seethe

      • Adkml [he/him]English
        26•2 years ago

        Yup that was the point I got to “I’m going to enjoy watching this dying ember of an empire fizzle out”

        Britain deserves everything that’s happening to it.

        America deserves all the same things to happen to it but we didn’t vote in a referendum for literally “we should be able to do whatever we want and also everybody else should also have to do whatever we want” without at least having a military budget that’s 20x what it should be.

    • bestagoner [none/use name]English
      7•2 years ago

      Sorry, haven’t really followed this. Is the idea of ‘the long Corbyn’ that somehow he’s responsible for alleged anti-Semitism outside his tenure or time in leadership?

      • Awoo [she/her]English
        11•2 years ago

        Corbyn is responsible for everything bad that has ever happened. Despite not even being in the party anymore and mass purges of literally anyone that even mildly expresses opposition to starmer or left wing support JC still rules it with an ironfist.

    • Staines [they/them]English
      6•2 years ago

      long-corbyn

      I swear someone just makes this emoji slightly longer every time it’s mentioned.

  • star_wraith [he/him]English
    44•2 years ago

    “No and I don’t denounce the IRA either”

    It’s all pretty much the same argument about the IRA, religious ideological differences with Hamas aside. Yes of course I support the IRA. Innocent people losing their lives is a tragedy, absolutely. And 100% of the blame falls on the UK colonizers, not the IRA though.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]English
    40•2 years ago

    I denounce HAMAS for always picking Mr. Game and Watch, he’s a bullshit cheap-ass character whose side-B is broken

    • @Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      16•2 years ago

      Exactly this, you need to ground this type of argument in material analysis. Getting into a moral grandstanding contest with libs is an extremely pointless waste of time. Noone likes civilian (debatable how innocent you can claim israeli citizens are when they are actively participating in settler colonialism) casualties, what’s the cause? How do you stop it? By dissolving the illegal state of Israel.