Your fault, bro. Just install Linux. I use Arch, BTW.
petition to rename Arch to btwOS
I use btwOS btw doesn’t roll off the tongue tho
You have to pronounce it like “Buh-twoss”.
Butt twos
buttOS
BTW I use butt floss.
Yeah it rolls off the tongue.
what about breaking the naming convention and calling it OS-btw
OSbtw
btwFS is so good btw, so much btr than Btrfs
My favorite part of Arch is reinstalling it over and over again. That first successful boot after the install gives too much dopamine.
My favorite part of Arch is that my install from 5 years ago still works perfectly and I didn’t have to do any major version upgrade that breaks everything.
Just had to reinstall arch 3 times yesterday, since the installation script fucked up the partitioning.
Reinstall nr1(manually, since the script didn’t work): I forgot to add users and couldn’t log into my machine Reinstall nr2(manually): my mirror lists was so fucked up that I couldn’t install or update packages(there also were some missing databases) Reinstall nr3(script) : finally everything worked.
Don’t use the script. Ezpz problem solved
Agreed. I’ve been installing it manually since 2012, never had an issue I couldn’t quickly fix. I attempted to use the installer about 6 months ago and couldn’t get past the disk partitioning step because it wouldn’t allow me to do the things I needed to do, then I think it crashed.
What’s the point of installing Arch if you don’t do it manually
Good boy!
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ysk (you should know) that i use
voidlinux
use linux mint of you’re coming from windows
Nah… I’m on Arch (BTW)
rocky linux supreme
I am a pretty heavy “Fediverse user” (Mastodon + Lemmy/Kbin) and my feeds have VERY little Linux talk. There is an incredibly diverse set of folks on the ‘verse but admittedly discoverability is hard. If the only people in your circle are Linux nerds then that’s all that might be boosted into your timeline. Put some effort into finding other folks and unfollow some of the Linux-only voices :-).
Maybe people aren’t used to curate their own feed anymore.
That’s the biggest thing. My Mastodon is very curated as is my subscribed feed. Put work in, get quality out.
How do you curate your mastodon feed? How do you find interesting people to follow? I haven’t created a mastodon account yet because I honestly not sure how to do this.
Here’s some tips for discoverability and building out a Mastodon follow feed - https://shellsharks.com/notes/2023/08/17/mastodon-discoverability
Here’s some tips for paring a feed gone mad down… https://shellsharks.com/notes/2023/08/10/curating-mastodon-feed
Happy Fediversing!
404 on first link…
Edit: nevermind, it’s just that you included a dot at the end of the link.
Thanks! Some of the tips are certainly not obvious to people not familiar with mastodon like me (follow a lot of people first to discover stuff they boosted then prune it later, follow people that boosts a lot).
Yeah you have to follow hashtags on mastodon and it helps to find good curators with similar tastes to you.
At least with lemmy the situation is simpler, all you have to do is join /c/Risa to fill your feed.
I think it’s mostly people viewing the “All”/“Community” feeds. Which I feel like you have to do in general as the niche communities haven’t really gotten to a self sustaining point where you can check your “Home” feed and not run out of stuff to doom scroll.
Not to mention that if you happened to mention certain things in communities that are tangentially related (Windows/Nintendo/Apple) then it usually starts another off topic discussion on linux/piracy/whatever.
Honestly the linux stuff doesn’t bother me as much as every topic seemingly turning into a critique of capitalism.
I’m a huge Linux geek and I rarely see Linux on my feed.
I think a good and easy way to discover new people is to follow hashtags.
I follow couple local pets work-related hobby and urbanism hastags, and I was able to discover new conversation and new people in these space quite quickly.
what is lemmy/kbin you meant lemmy and kbin
And the other 25% is star trek memes
Well yeah but nobody complains about the frosting on a cake
I wonder why?
The Q continuum is messing with us?
Not if you punch first.
Getting really tired of this “the fediverse needs to cater to normie interests because we’re here now and it’s what we deserve” attitude. If you can’t find a community to click with, you can always create one, join one you don’t know much about with an open mind, or don’t use the fediverse if it doesn’t have the content you like. Sorry to say it but you’re not special and no existing users on any social media platform is obligated to go out of their way to make you feel comfortable on the platform.
Same with the “your open source, community developed platform/client sucks! I demand you make the UX better because I the user deserve better! No I’m not going to donate to your development fund because you suck and need to be better before you deserve my money!” sentiments that I see on Lemmy more and more now. Seems like everyone just expects corporate level user experience and customer service from people developing open source software mostly for free as passion projects. Even after the numerous corporate boondoggles that drove people to the fediverse in the first place people aren’t the slightest bit willing to change their paradigms regarding how social media should be run.
Imagine complaining about Linux users instead of switching to Linux.
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Mint- great decision. Especially for a laptop. You’ll enjoy it.
except if the hardware is newish, or they want to get off xorg
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A newcomer probably doesn’t even know what X11 and Wayland are, let alone the differences between the two.
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Linux Mint has planned experimental wayland support for Christmas 2023.
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Nice enjoy amego. Mint was my second choice. Great choice of distro BTW very easy to use make sure to install flatpaks and neofetch sadly I went back to windows my pc hardware has poor driver support on Linux maybe eventually once I’ve upgraded my gpu then I’ll return to my sacred Linux mint
Based! Now you’ll have to change your username too, in Linux our programs don’t have the .exe extension :)
i guess you could just get an ELF binary and rename it to something.exe but idk why you’d do that
Wouldn’t be a good idea since it’ll conflict if you install wine.
ok this comment finally got me to download ubuntu i hope you’re happy
One of us, one of us, one of us, one of us
two of us, two of us, two of us
HELL YEAH BROTHER
Boo. Fedora! fedora! fedora!
Fantastic. Now just delete the Ubuntu iso and download mint cinnamon, so so much better and “just works”
how will Microsoft know that I’m doing well though, or if i have my photos properly backed up in the cloud 😭 they’re just concerned for my safety
Is this satire?
Unfortunately not, that’s why lemmy never took off. All the people that came here from reddit slowly left once they realized you have to be a FOSS/Socialist/anti-car/vegan. Only the ones that matched at least one of those really stuck around.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At least there is a lot less brain dead shit all over the front page without a bunch of normal people up in this bitch
I mean kinda? There’s still some brain dead shit and I honestly think the reading comprehension of the average commenter is lower than reddit.
I like the fact that it’s different brain-dead from Reddit. Then I feel there is balance: dead brains on both sides.
Of course sometimes you spot the living among the dead, but if I want genuine sense I’m a big fan of [i]rl.
I mean I would prefer the “brain dead shit”
in my opinionmost of the shit I see here is just bitching and moaning or copious amounts of nfsw. No cute puppy pictures. No wholesome memes. No actually funny shitposts. Mostly bitching and moaning,“demanding a violent revolution”lots of tankies herenfsw and heavily opionated extremely unfunnyin my opinion comedy is subjective i dont find these funny but you may domemes. All this hostility is almost certainly affecting lemmys growth heck only reason I’m here is because of lemmy shitposts and the many other nicher communities I likeYes lemmy is worse in some ways, and that’s why I spend less time using it than I used to compared to reddit. Honestly I’m happy about that though.
Well whatever works for you amego
Also older. The average Lemmy user is much older than the average reddit user. Which I would love if it stuck just to averages, but I don’t think we’ve got a very wide range here; we need some new blood/youthful energy if we want this to thrive and grow. But as it is now, I think Lemmy is a kind of a haven for FOSS old heads for a bit but doesn’t have a lot of fuel in the tank for the future, unless we see a bit of a cultural shift here.
Lemmy almost certainly needs a “cultural shift” it’s way to toxic. It’s probably more toxic than heroshima. one thing I’ve noticed myself is there’s way way to many tankies. And some members of the linux community aren’t so welcoming to people whom use other operating systems
Are there tankies? Yes, absolutely. That being said, is the term “tankie” being thrown around way too cavalierly and dismissively on Lemmy? Ab-so-fucking-lutely.
I thought reddit was into assigning labels to people dismissively, but holy shit it’s on another level here on Lemmy.
Just like how not everyone who disagreed with you on Reddit was a Nazi, not everyone who says something you dislike on Lemmy is a tankie
edit: small typo
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to communists who express support for one-party communist regimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie?wprov=sfla1
I see way to much stuff which fits in the “tankie” category.
in my honest and earnest opinionI think these people are entitled to an opinion I also believe that these people are able to express that opinion but so are the hundreds of other communities that these people may not like I see some of these tankiesnot exclusively tankiesvictimising some of the Christian communities here on lemmy this is an example from a little research and speaking to some these people from these communities I’m sure there’s many more examplesEdit : this was on top page on ml not surprising considering its an ml domain but still
https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3bd8dae8-ba7b-45b1-8eff-f9bba4d69f51.jpeg
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1de75854-4f98-4789-927d-3c8ef639dd43.jpeg
I agree there absolutely is toxcity here, particularly if you go against the majority and popular views. Lemmy users often claim and post about being so much better than reddit users when they’re the fucking same
Yup exactly I agree with this. I think people are entitled to an opinion and that includes tankies. But the way alot of “lemmings” go about discussing there views and opinions is worse than reddit in my opinion for an instance there’s alot of folk
assholes in my opinionraiding Christian communities downvoiting them and commenting on them I’m not Christian myself but I personally see this as despicable behavior. Especially considering there people consider themselves to be the “tolerant” one’sEspecially considering there people consider themselves to be the “tolerant” one’s
Where does this come from? Because the only people I’ve ever heard use the term “tolerant left” were people on the right.
This is all just decorum tone-policing, a way conservatives and those in the status quo quiet dissent by holding oppositional voices to a higher standard than they hold themselves. As a leftist, I believe in equity, I believe in free expression, and I believe in not judging others by their intrinsic and immutable qualities such as skin tone, familial background, and appearance. But I also absolutely believe in judging people on the defining characteristics they choose for themselves: their words, their actions, and their beliefs. I’m left as fuck, but I’m not going to tolerate hate, or exploitation, or evilness; don’t call me fucking tolerant.
To that note, you’ll notice religion (in terms of belief, not background; there are some cases where this muddy) falls squarely in the “what I believe” section, meaning that is the kind of thing we should judge a person’s character based on. And tbh, since Christianity, especially Western popular evangelical Christianity isn’t exactly a neutral or non-impactful influence on the world, why should it be spared legitimate criticism? If we leftists believe in building a better world by repairing or tearing down and replacing broken systems for the sake of the betterment of mankind, why is that particular system (which again, is not neutral on non-impactful in influence) supposedly off-limits? Why are you okay with us raging against all of the other machines oppression but that one? Why are you okay with the righteous work of changing minds and educating others against governmental structures but not religious ones?
Somewhere down the line conservatives tricked leftists into thinking that “don’t judge people for their skin and background” should stretch to “don’t judge people for the literally insane shit that they believe despite the fact that the insane belief will literally inform all of their choices, both legislatively and personally,” and it is absolutely fucked that so many leftists have fallen for it.
Don’t judge people for what they are; do judge people for what they do, what they say, and what they think.
Thanks for deciding for me.
Hey mate just wondering still is this satire
It is, we’re in the Linuxmemes community dude. But also, what if it wasn’t? I didn’t know this was such a controversial statement lol
@Jezebelley@lemmy.zip You want to tell them? 😂
We need moar Linux memes!
Seriously, more Linux memes please.
What about Linux Tech Tips?
I say… bring them!!
cat is actually used to concatenate files so if you have two files that you want to merge into a third one you can do
cat file1 file2 > file3
Especially useful for cracking old games
Especially useful for cracking old games
what?
HE SAID IT’S ESPECIALLY USEFUL FOR CRACKING OLD GAMES!
I’ve used cat to actually concatenate files a lot to re-assemble old Wii games once they were copied to a SIM card, less than using it to see inside a file though. Maybe cracked isn’t the correct word I’m not English lol.
Always remove the French language pack
never execute “sudo rm -r / --no-perserve-root” because you whole sytem will be gone edit i forgot the directory
the
-deleteoption infindgoes AFTER the expression.find -delete [whatever]will delete EVERYTHING in the current directory and below, likerm -rf *Huh. I wonder if GNU find should be modified, so that
-deleteonly works when explicitly given a directory.
This shouldnt do anything since you didn’t gave it a directory to start with.
oh yeah i forgot a /
Let’s do it right here!
Sway is a Wayland i3 implementation and you really should be using Wayland instead of X.I would love to but 1. I love my simple awesomeWM setup 2. Nvidia shenanigans.
:(Nvidia shenanigans
i know that feel bro :(
Is Sway nice?
Sway is rice
Yes
I might be swayed to try it out
The Sway implementation (not Wayland as some DEs seem to run really smoothly) sadly is still completely hit or miss depending on your exact hardware setup. I have two device (both even with nvidia grphics *sigh*) and one of them is just a buggy and flickering mess.
Sway devs don’t support NVIDIA graphics
I know they officially don’t. And I didn’t try to say that Sway was bad in any way or that it is their fault. I was just stating facts about state of it with NVIDIA graphics (that kept me -as a long-term i3 user- from switching to Wayland).
I disagree. Sway is extremely high quality software. Nvidia is a known terrible player with FLOSS software. I hope they will continue their path of recent improvements.
No, you only should be using Wayland if you need some of it’s features. If you don’t need mixed refresh rate/mixed scaling you’re fine using X.
X is abandonware and full of security issues probably time to switch to maintained aoftware
This sentence works really well for twitter too
This is FUD. Here’s a security fix from a month ago: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commit/541ab2ecd41d4d8689e71855d93e492bc554719a
Abandonware my ass…
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Sure, activity in the repo and new versions don’t prove the project isn’t abandoned… Maybe you just don’t know what abandonwere means?
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No one stops you from moving to Wayland. It has it’s uses. But the FUD you’re spreading is stupid and boring. X is fine, it’s exactly what a lot of people need and it doesn’t make sense to move their DEs to Wayland only because it’s ‘new’. The fact that it took Wayland 10 years to reach any sort of usability shows just how little does it offer to an average user.
X’ architecture is insecure. There’s no isolation between windows, and each process can spy on your input. That’s just one example.
Wayland is necessary.Yet no known active exploits use this insecure architecture to cause actual harm. It’s just another FUD.
I’d hardly call that an exploit. There’s no protection.
For a while I would have agreed, and I used sway for years. But recently I switched back to i3 (i3-rounded) due to display issues with my AMD GPU. I started doing most of my development in the TTY, and found that switching from TTY to Wayland takes half a second and can sometimes break my GPU (until I switch between TTY and display a few times). With X11 it’s instant and without issue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Hoping that gets fixed down the road, or that it’s specific to my GPU.
Counterpoint, Wayland is still undercooked and not ready for proper daily use.
Counter-counterpoint: Wayland is perfectly fine and production ready and has been for several years now, as long as you’re on AMD or Intel GPUs. The nVidia drivers are still undercooked and not ready for proper daily use.
My desktop crashed three times so far after updating gnome, linux kernel and nvidia driver two days ago. Not sure who’s the culprit, but I’ll blame nvidia by default.
Does multi-monitor sets work yet? Does it still randomly crashes when logging out? Does it have support for touch monitors already? Is Pipewire support ready? Is the Compose key still broken? Does it handle internationalization better now? Does accessibility software like on screen keyboards and screen readers already work on it?
I love Wayland, BTW, the more secure ecosystem is a net positive. But we can’t pretend it isn’t a lot of effort for something that has no tangible difference or immediate advantage for the end user, is extra work for developers and currently has a higher potential for errors, malfunctions and missing features that are taken for granted. Again, it’s a worthy endeavor to improve something that already works, but that also means there’s no rush. We can afford to wait.
Does multi-monitor sets work yet?
Yes.
Does it still randomly crashes when logging out?
It hasn’t done that for the 1.5 years that I have been using it for.
Is Pipewire support ready?
Yes. It’s so ready that even ubuntu uses it with wayland by default.
Does it have support for touch monitors already
Yes. It, in fact, has better support than x org.
Does it handle internationalization better now?
I don’t know about the problem with i18n but I don’t think this will affect most users.
Onscreen keyboard is still a pain to run but maliit works on kde+gnome/wayland. When was the last time you used wayland dude? I am not trying to sound this argumentative. If I do, my apologies but I have been listening to these same points being regurgitated over and over again when they have been fixed long ago.
Counter-counter-counterpoint: I have a rtx 3050 and not enough money just lying around to upgrade to an AMD just for Wayland.
Still, 100% nVidia’s fault, not Wayland.
No offense, but your argument is exactly like “electric cars are still undercooked and not ready for proper daily use because I still have to put gasoline in mine and can’t afford one”.
Sure, but at the end of the day, for better or for worse, there are going to be tons of people who simply don’t care about whose fault it is - they’re going to want their system to work.
I was lucky enough that I was finally able to make enough money to swap out my 2080 with a 6700 XT this week (and wow what a significant difference in how the Linux desktop works with AMD cards), but I have plenty of friends who do have Nvidia cards and if they asked me whether they should give Linux a try I’d have to warn them that they’re going to get a subpar experience due to it - and all they’re going to hear despite me saying that it’s Nvidia’s fault is that Linux isn’t good enough.
So when it comes to Wayland + Nvidia, hopefully Nvidia gets with the program, but otherwise we’re (the Linux community) going to be at a crossroads of whether we want to get more adoption on Linux - Nvidia is not a small market by any means.
I don’t go and try to proselytize people into coming over to Linux, but there are absolutely plenty of people who do and the mindset of “It’s not Linux’s fault, its X (ha)” isn’t exactly going to work there.
I get it, you get it, but plenty of people won’t.
You running the proprietary drivers or Nouveau?
Proprietary because I game and I had some screen tearing issues with nouveau.
I don’t have personal experience with nvidia graphics. How does proprietary work now? I have heard it’s gotten great this last year? Or is it horrible still?
I haven’t found any issues except sometimes when I switch to another window out of baldur’s gate 3 and switch back again, baldur’s gate 3 freezes. Not sure if it’s the game not being Linux native or the driver.
Wayland is perfectly fine and production ready and has been for several years now
… for you.
I regularly do presentations for work and in Wayland I can’t play a video in a slide deck if presenting on an external display.
Remote tools aren’t working on Wayland.
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Mostly all. At work we have to use teamviewer. Remote from Wayland to others work but you can’t connect from another client to a wayland client. Tried hoptodesk, ruskdesk etc. always the same.
Wayland integration with most DEs is absolutely incomplete regardless of Nvidia support. Wayland causes a ton of bugs every time I try to use it with KDE. There are still bugs even with GNOME like wine applications not working or screen sharing not working. So no I will not be using Wayland until it’s ready for everyday usage, which it isn’t right now.
He’s a thought. Stop being a power nerd, stfu and let people use what they want.
No, unless your use case is very specific (like being an artist needing color calibration/the software you use needs to position a multi-window setup etc. And color calibration is being actively worked on should have basic support in Plasma 6 according to Nate Graham) wayland is pretty much ready for daily use. It does have annoyances but they are getting actively fixed unlike X which is barely maintained and has glaring security issues. Fedora KDE has even decided to completely remove the X server on its 40th release.
You do know that the people who make Wayland are the exact same people who made and maintained X, right? Like, they are intentionally abandoning X in order to make Wayland, and eventually X will just be actually XWayland as compatibility to transition to only Wayland.
Yeah I do know that. How does that affect my argument?
“Unlike X” doesn’t support your argument. If X11 is barely mantained, is on purpose. X11 and Wayland are not in competition, one is the rewrite of the former. They literally have no rush to push Wayland to main stage until it can do all that X11 does, including the annoying edge use cases. Because if X11 does it and Wayland doesn’t, then people would just continue to use X11. No brainer. They need more time, that’s fine, we can all do with being a bit more nicer and gentler. There’s no rush to push adoption
There is a rush because Red Hat isn’t interested in maintaining wayland anymore. Neither red hat nor Kde/gnome are interested in supporting x org in the long run. For wayland to get better and do the things it currently lacks at it needs a greater user base and that’s why there is a rush by major people in the linux community (kde and fedora for example). Right now its at that there are somethings that wayland can’t do that x org can and somethings that x org can do but wayland can’t. Since wayland is being developed actively and is the future it’s the obvious choice and x org has far more annoying use cases that are just not gonna get fixed “unlike wayland”. Majority of the users shouldn’t have any problems switching to wayland.
Lets apply that logic to everything in the linux eco system get rid of BTRFS,Flatpaks,Libadwaita,pipewire…
Most of those are perfectly ready for every day use without issues today. All are alternatives that bring new features and specific use cases, solving new problems, or solving old problems in innovative ways. Wayland is an active replacement to an existing technology, as the old X is expected to just not exist anymore at some point in the future. BTRFS isn’t intended to replace Ext4 wholesale, Flatpaks doesn’t intend to replace apt/pacman/etc., Pipewire does the same that Pulse and Jack but Pulse and Jack won’t stop existing. Adwaita existing doesn’t mean that you can’t use QT or GTK in your projects. That’s the difference.
As a result Wayland has the burden to actually fulfill and comply with all the features and use cases that X11 already does, with all the new security improvements on top. That’s a tall order, and until it can do so, it will be undercooked and under adopted, because they set themselves up to that bar, nobody but them is responsible for this. Is the ancient “let’s rewrite from scratch” trap that all dev teams fall on at least once in their lives. It isn’t impossible, but it always takes way longer than the optimist project managers anticipate.
Feature parity with X has never been the goal. Because most of X’s features are a legacy of the 80’ and dreadfully obsolete anyway.
I’m all for maintaining compatibility where it makes sense, but carrying over a 40 years old feature set just in case is the best way to prevent anything from moving forward.
Wayland can already do or is actively being developed for stuff that is relevant to modern systems: multi-monitor with different refresh rates and scaling, HDR etc. Stuff that X would never dream of.
Feature parity, maybe not, but use cases, definitely is the goal.
I’m just saying that if users have to run X compatibility portals to get basic functionality for every day tasks, then something is not fully baked yet. There’s nothing wrong with that. But apparently pointing it out is some sort of herecy.
I don’t think it’s heresy, but I always find it funny that an extremely vocal community shits on systemd for being a bloated tentacular monster shat should be abandoned, but praise X for being a bloated tentacular monster.
In a way, Wayland is much closer to the Unix Philosophy than X. It’s a display protocol, nothing more. Everything else should be implemented by the applications using this protocol. X has grown over the decades to include way too many features and edge cases.
Translation layers like XWayland are important and extremely useful for the transition period, but shouldn’t be taken as a sign that Wayland is not ready for prime time. If 10% the people shitting on Wayland had instead worked on adding Wayland functionality to their favorite apps (that includes you fuckers at nVidia), the transition would have ended years ago.
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When I started with Linux I used Mint with cinnamon. It’s great for people who switch from windows to Linux, but after trying kde and gnome I don’t miss it in any way.
Amin to that
*Admin
*sudo
I love Linux and playing with it and I still feel the same way. I don’t want to talk about it all day. Stackoverflow exists.
Yeah, or at least keep it to c/Linux
We don’t need all communities to devolve into Linux conversations.
I run arch btw
I prefer Fedora but SteamOS is the closest I get to Arch.
That was a joke to the comment above. I prefer, like you, Fedora (Silverblue).
OpenSuSe Tumbleweed does not get enough love
this is the future
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join fediverse
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get linux
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post on unixsocks
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overthrow capitalism er uh i mean … uh… gotta go
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Sounds like a skill issue.
hmmmm
Who’s next?
White theme flashbangNow I’m blind. Thanks for that.
You’re a monster
Your Mastodon feed will be entirely about who the people you follow are talking about, so follow different people, (or hashtags) and the conversation will change.
I subscribe to people that talk about their pets. It’s a good life.
yeah, not sure if its a mastadon thing but im coming out of kbing and I don’t see very much linux stuff and im subscribed to several magazines. Not that the linux stuff is not there but there are tons of other things to. If I was not subscribed I would likely not see it at all.
I browse All a lot and right now, without doing any scrolling and just looking at the top 6 posts on All that fit on my monitor, 2 of them are about Linux lol
Used Ubuntu Linux for a year back around '08-'09. Didn’t have a great experience and went back to Windows. Since then I’ve never had a reason to try it again. That said, I’ve nothing but respect for those that use a flavour of Linux or Mac OS. At the end of the day doing the things you need done is what matters and if a different OS than mine gets you there, that’s awesome.
I’ve tried to switch to Linux multiple times since 2008. Usually Ubuntu. I’ve even tried Linux Mint. I can never commit to the switch, I always get buggy behavior, crashes, hardware incompatibility, lack of apps (FL Studio, Adobe, WeChat for PC, etc). There are also dozens of tiny issues, like the sensitivity of the mouse/scroll wheel that feels different from Windows, even after adjusting the relevant settings. Also, for volume adjusting, the volume slider doesn’t make a sound when you change the volume level, unlike on Windows. How is it that not a single Linux distro includes this functionality? I am totally comfortable working in a Terminal if I have to, but every time I follow a terminal walkthrough I get errors; I search the error messages online and I get reading threads talking about bugs that are a decade old, there is never a solution. I am so jealous of people who can immerse themselves in Linux, I just can’t do it. I need my stuff to work out of the box, and for 15 years and many attempts to switch, it has never been the case. I can’t tell if I’m not smart enough, or I just rely too heavily on proprietary software, or I don’t want to dedicate the time to manually fixing problems with terminal commands and scripts.
My first 4 months or so with Linux sucked. I literally broke a keyboard once out of frustration. I often find myself wanting to scream “can you just fucking work for once?” More often than I’d care to admit.
I’ve been at it for about a year and a half and I’ve learned more about computing in that time than in the 30-odd years before. I’m starting to get the hang of bash, I’ve figured out the cause of, and fixed, problems without reading anything online (Google is fucking broken and it’s not getting better so it’s often not an option anymore anyway).
It can be hard. And frustrating. But it’s freeing to realize just how fucking stupid Microsoft made me. And the privacy issues always bothered me (in the process of degoogling ATM) but they bother me more now than they ever did. It’s fucking gross. And it’s appalling that companies collect what they do.
Point being your criticisms are all valid but if windows is a Honda Civic then Linux is a rusted out Porsche in the backyard. It’s going to take some effort to get it where you want it but when you do baby it’ll purr.
Really like this. This is my exact experience just a few months ahead. Try duck duck go i found it much better for finding answers also fuck google
Try Qwant
Duck duck go is just bing and Google.
I pay $10/month for kagi. It’s really not where I want it to be but it’s the best game in town so far.
I think you brought up a good point in that Microsoft conditions people to expect a certain behavior from their PC. Some of that is ease of use at there expense of privacy, forced unavoidable updates, and individual software solutions that handles their respective updates.
The KDE desktop environment definitely plays a sound when you change the volume. I use my Logitech G Pro X wireless headset on Linux and Windows and just change the volume using the dial on the unit and it behaves the same way in both OS.
Though, to be fair, I do share some of the frustrations you mention. I’m mostly on Apple products apart from my two desktop PCs (one is Linux/Windows dual-boot, one is Linux only) which I own solely for gaming purposes and some hobbyist programming. I usually try to get non-Linux native applications running but if it proves to be too much of a hassle I simply boot into Windows or use my MacBook. I like to treat Linux as somewhat of a hobby and I totally understand that most people would rather have something that “just works”, especially when it comes to proprietary creative applications like the Adobe suite or DAWs. That being said, it’s extremely exciting to see the massive strides Linux on the desktop has made in the last couple of years. It has come a looooong way, honestly; especially for gaming. And I always support open-source projects/foundations - I’m donating to KDE/Arch/Wikipedia on a monthly basis - because I believe in the core values and advantages of FOSS and other community-driven foundations even though I’m far from a Richard Stallman.
This is the reason I have a lot of respect for people who are not in IT or Tech field, career wise, but still managed to deep dive into linux.
Even will all the ease of access that the current linux ecosystem offer, linux still is a tinkerer’s OS. You have to deep dive into the basics for some problem. That’s hard, even for someone with tech background.
I’m in and out with linux for the last few years. It really boils down what do you want to do on your PC. If you are into online gaming or you need some specialized software for your work you are pretty much better stay on windows. However for general use its awsome. I have replaced many of my software even on windows to foss tools. There is a small learning curve and you will certainly need the terminal in the beginning but overall not terrible. For me it was a pleasant experience seeing mostly everything works without effort. The two most popular desktops (KDE and Gnome) are fairly polished and you question a lot of things in windows after using them. In general using linux a bit gives you a new perspective on how to use a PC.
Depends which games. I play Metal Gear Solid V, and it works almost flawlessly, aside from minor audio issues when objects in the game world move very fast (using a balloon to forcibly yank a downed enemy out of the combat zone creates a quieter than expected noise)
Other than that, it works very well :)
I’ve tried Manjaro kde and mint kde and it’s been a dumpster fire both times. Then again gnome was also a dumpster fire on Manjaro. It honk I’m seeing the common thread there.
I want to love kde… why won’t it let me?Fuck gnome though.
Self hosting, at least for lemmy, is absolute trash. I have been told a few times when asking questions that, “it is expected that you are thoroughly experienced with Linux” to be able to follow the mediocre guides. And they are trash if you are a newbie.
So people like me, who would love to use Lemmy for non Linux things, am posting almost entirely about Linux problems.
I wouldn’t expect running a publicly accessible server on the internet to be easy or a great idea for someone not familiar with the OS they’re using. Great way to learn, though.
Yeah I’ve got a proxmox cluster and I’ve been using Linux for decades but I wouldn’t dare host something that a LOT of users are going to access. I don’t know nearly enough about netsec and I can guarantee my vlan practices probably aren’t perfect, etc.
I have a solution for you. Just don’t have your Internet facing things on the same /24 as your home stuff. Why vlan if you can just separate them by network and switch.
Or: just do it anyways. I learned most shit after everything broke. Not before.
And how do you learn, then, from this project, if people are shitty about your questions?
I’m a sw engineer. I’ve been doing every kind of application management, development, and systems design for 25 years, nearly all of that in Linux, and I still need things answered about running apps in proxmox. I’m not coming to a Lemmy community for those answers, I’ll tell you that.
I haven’t tried to get community tech support on Lemmy, so I wouldn’t know what it’s like firsthand. If people are really that difficult, sure, that sucks. But it sounds like the person asking needs to work on more fundamental linux skills than something specific to running a Lemmy instance, and the internet is full of information about that.
I get that, but here we are. It’s something I want to do. I’ve been at it for 6 months and I’ve managed to get the site working twice, but am still struggling with SMTP. Digital ocean blocks smtp and send grid breaks the site.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SMTP in general is a pain to configure. I ran my own mail servers for a while and finally gave up and used a 3rd party service. Too many problems with antispam restrictions, and things like I’d finally get it configured, upgrade postfix or whatever and then it would all be screwed again.
If you never used windows before and were trying to do something complicated like self hosting on it, you would be having nothing but issues…
Not really. There’s tutorials for everything and most of them still work 20 years later.
vs you installed ubuntu 20 and now youre trying to follow a 16 tutorial.
The Linux community as a whole has a real problem with being snobs to new users.
snobs, yes. Cunts even.
The fact that Google and bing are aggressively fucking search to death doesn’t help much.
What does google and bing making search worse have to do with stackoverflow and serverfaults linux users being snobs?
Or 70% of lemmy circle jerking over how much superior linux is.I think they just meant if you’re a total Linux newbie, one who might not even be familiar with stackoverflow, trying to troubleshoot Linux via a typical search engine (a very normal thing a normal newbie who doesn’t know better would do) won’t lead to helpful results do the current enshitification of Google and Bing. I’m pretty sure that’s all they meant bro
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@Gabagoolzoo @ElCanut @ZMonster You could even use Portainer and forget about commands ( I rather use the cli as compose files are better imo )
Congratulations, you’ve discovered the struggles of learning an esoteric hobby. Often the learning curve is steep like that. And often you will encounter elitist twits trying to push you back down the curve. But they cannot keep you from knowledge. It sounds like you’re already discovering some of the rewards.
Oh yes, I’ve been using the ansible method of deploying and I have it very close, I just can’t get SMTP working. I’ve set up an account with send grid but letsencrypt keeps telling me I’ve passed the limit for certs and every time I try to deploy it says I have to wait another week to try. I would remove certs but since I’ve already wiped those out, I don’t know what they are or how to find them.
I haven’t looked into it, but I’d imagine that it’s your basic LAMP/LNMP stack.
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