I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

  • @oo1@lemmings.world
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    For me, at work it’s more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that’s possibly due to the way our IT people don’t seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won’t let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.

    W10 is mostly okay. I mean it’s slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to “right click open with” to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.

    That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just “upgraded” the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you’re a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.

    So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it’s our IT or MS itself, it’s shit.

    I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.

    W11 had better be “not worse” or i’ll probably have to quit.

  • @Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.

    Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.

  • @iii@mander.xyz
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    43 hours ago

    Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.

  • Noble Shift
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    Going from my laptops to a client’s Windows machine feels like I’m stepping back in time, every time.

    Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows ‘proper’ because of all of the modifications to make it usable.

    MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.

    (hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)

  • Mr. Satan
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    TL; DR
    My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

    I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

    From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

    Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn’t say it’s much more different from Windows.

    Now what does differ a lot is that I don’t need to fight the OS to do shit. It’s way better productivitywise, when I know what I’m doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

    • IHave69XiBucks
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      I had lots of issues on Pop. Switched over to Manjaro and its much better for me. Laptop runs cooler, doesnt slow down, etc.

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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      Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such

      Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn’t related to an update.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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    56 hours ago

    I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don’t like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn’t worth it.

  • idotherock
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    Guh. Amen to this! I’m in the same boat. Sometimes I just bring a Linux laptop with me to work just to have a break from the work computer.

  • @Routhinator@startrek.website
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    I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac’s UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.

    • It’s bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I’m glad I don’t have to use macs.

  • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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    My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

    • @vithigar@lemmy.ca
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      Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.

  • autokludge
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    It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I’m pretty sure all the non ‘classic’ apps are this way now. I’m currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

    • @IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org
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      Yeah my org is about to ban using anything but the outlook client for email access for “security” reasons, and ban all other logins. We’re on a Kubernetes cluster, so historically you’ve been able to login via Thunderbird or use the Gmail web interface as well.

      If they go through with it I will riot.

    • @flashgnash@lemm.ee
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      Personally I’ve been using outlook via pwa for months anyway

      If they’re gonna put it in an electron container anyway you be may as well cut out the middleman and just use the web app Microsoft’s ones are actually quite good now

  • @flashgnash@lemm.ee
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    I thought outlook had been electron for a while

    I’ve been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it’s causing problems for you on windows?

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    My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

    I’m consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

    Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

    I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn’t connect to anything and the tray app wouldn’t pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

    Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

    Windows on the other hand… Lets just say there’s a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

      • Lettuce eat lettuce
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        Worse, Vista you could wrestle into submission, Windows11 is so deeply embedded with ads, spyware, bloat, and spaghetti code, it’s almost impossible to get it clean.

        And even when you do, you have to constantly fight to keep it that way. The fact that Windows will change your settings for default apps and privacy preferences without your permission after a major update is absolutely insane and disgusting.

        I shouldn’t have to constantly be on guard for my OS Which I paid $200 for professional licensing to just sneak its own preferences and settings back to what it wants.

        • Norah - She/They
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          What are you talking about, Windows 8 was a complete shitshow. It wasn’t until 8.1 that it became respectable.

          • @jimbolauski@lemm.ee
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            XP had a bunch of problems early on, just like 8. The hate for 8 was mostly because of ui changes. Me and 95 were irredeemably bad.

          • @toastal@lemmy.ml
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            I stopped after 7 🤷

            The last week 10 was an easy, free upgrade, I upgraded then gave the machine to a friend to do some very, very early LLM training to never see it again.

          • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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            I think Win 8 was a YMMV release. I used it heavily for work, (CAD/CAM) and it ran very well. With no more issues than one expects to get from /windows.

  • LiveLM
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    Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
    We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

    • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
      Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

    • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

    • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn’t. So every time you drag a window across it “snags” in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

    • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
      It’s impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

    Great work Microsoft.

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    What a big pile of shit software, I swear I’m just gonna quit because of this ass smelling garbage.

    Today I discovered that C:/Users/MyUser was silently an alias of C:/Users/OneDriveBullshit/MyUser only in the explorer. So I just figured out why some documents were often disappearing for months, I’m just working on a multiverse were depending on the application the same path don’t lead to the same folder.

    Earlier this week I unzipped a file and couldn’t remove resulting files without administrator privileges.

    I’ve never lost so much time for any fucking software, let alone a paid one. And don’t even get me starting on the fucking ads they put everywhere even if you unchecked the 154 options in 42 different menus.

    • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Earlier this week I unzipped a file and couldn’t remove resulting files without administrator privileges.

      To be fair, this kind of stuff happened to me when I first switched to Linux, before I got a better grasp on file permissions.

      • @Bogasse@lemmy.ml
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        Yeah I can totally see that happening 🫣

        Here it was especially infuriating because it’s mixed with all the company policies, like the 1 month process it took me to have administrator privilege in the first place.

        These process also make some sense as I’m in a company of several hundred thousand employees, but all of this mixed together is exhaustingly anoying.

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      My current company just got bought out earlier this year, we are in the process of rolling all our stuff into their IT infrastructure.

      I was lucky enough to get to use Debian as my OS on my old company laptop because I was the only IT at this company. Last week they finally issued me my new corporate laptop, which of course is Windows because the company that bought us out is a 100% Microsoft house.

      One of their sys admins was on a call with me to get the laptop set up and working on their VPN, MFA enrollment, it was supposed to be a “quick 15 minute call.”

      I watched him as he fought remotely with my machine for almost an hour. The VPN wouldn’t work no matter what he tried, then the GUI started acting up, then RDP wasn’t working right, then MFA wasn’t working. This was a brand new installation from their golden image too on a brand new high end laptop.

      After about 20 minutes, I told him I was gunna stay on the call muted and to just let me know when everything was working properly. Then I hopped back onto my Linux laptop and spent the rest of the call getting actual work done while their new Windows machine was pooping the bed.

      He didn’t actually even get it working at the end of the hour lol. He had to remote in later that evening to finish doing a bunch of registry fixes and file purges to finally get the VPN to connect.

    • @Bogasse@lemmy.ml
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      Also, I don’t get how people just accept that any input they perform will require an average of 1s for feedback.

      But at least now I understand why macs are so popular…

      • @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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        This is the thing I hate most about windows. Did it register the thing I clicked? Is something happening? If I click again will it do the task twice? Complete opposite of how my Mac works.

      • @narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
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        I also experienced less “hiccups” since switching to Linux with KDE but I’d like to know on what combination of hardware and Windows you experienced anywhere close to an average of 1s response time to “any input”.

        • @Bogasse@lemmy.ml
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          It’s a ~5 years old thinkpad. It may be due to it not being well managed but it really disn’t up to the task. Being in a Teams call while using an external displays makes the framerate drop to ~10fps for example 🤷

          • @narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
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            That’s mostly down to Teams though (being the bloated web app that it is), and not the underlying operating system.

    • @M600@lemmy.world
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      I just dealt with my directories secretly being in one drive. It actually was only found because the system was buggy and I couldn’t find the desktop directory in Explorer.

      I had to edit the registry to fully resolve the issue.

      • @Bogasse@lemmy.ml
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        At least now I know that I’m not crazy. Also that this issue is on Microsoft and not on my company’s IT department.

        • @M600@lemmy.world
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          Yeah, Microsoft is super buggy. It’s a wonder that people think that Linux is unreliable.