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The Picard ManeuverM to Facepalm@lemmy.world • 2 months ago

What a privacy nightmare

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The Picard ManeuverM to Facepalm@lemmy.world • 2 months ago
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  • yeehaw
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    2 months ago

    Ah yes. “Muted”.

    If you should be aware of anything, it should be that if you have an Internet connected microphone the only way to truly know it’s muted is to remove it from power.

    • @kautau@lemmy.world
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      And now they don’t even give a shit about pretending to hide it

      https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/03/amazon-disables-option-to-store-echo-voice-recordings-on-your-device

      • sp3ctr4l
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        14•2 months ago

        Yep, was gonna post this.

        Good luck, this hospital’s IT department, good fucking luck.

    • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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      9•2 months ago

      Some of them have hardware switches

      • @breadsmasher@lemmy.world
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        19•2 months ago

        but that could simply be wired to an LED and nothing else

        • @wischi@programming.dev
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          9•2 months ago

          By that logic these devices can have internal batteries too.

          • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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            6•2 months ago

            And ones without internet can have secret antennas

            • trogon
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              10•2 months ago

              These companies don’t even have to go to that much trouble, since people seem to be just fine connecting everything to the internet willingly.

              • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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                8•2 months ago

                This. They don’t give a shit about the tiny, infinitesimal percentage of people like me and my fellow privacy-conscious lemmings that understand what’s going on, care about it, and refuse to participate.

                • @wizblizz@lemmy.world
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                  4•2 months ago

                  This is why regulations to reign in corporate bullshit exist, expecting the average person to have even the faintest idea why this is important isn’t reasonable.

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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            1•2 months ago

            So do phones.

        • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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          6•2 months ago

          The first-gen echo devices at least actually had a board that listened for the activation word only that then powered on the main device. It’s why you couldn’t name them whatever you wanted, but had to choose between “Echo”, “Alexa”, “Amazon”, or “Computer.”

          • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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            2•2 months ago

            I chose “Not Available At This Residence”.

    • @actionjbone@sh.itjust.works
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      7•2 months ago

      Preferably, by throwing it out a 6th-floor window

    • GreyBeard
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      6•2 months ago

      I had a few Google Home devices, they had a switch to turn off the mic. I assume it was legit switch, because the thing literally yelled at you and had bright red lights any time you muted it. It literally said “The mic is turned off” every time it booted up in a voice that reminds me of a child tattling on their sibling.

    • @stupidcasey@lemmy.world
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      3•2 months ago

      You could always get a multimeter and check the voltage outgoing the ADC if you are skeptical.

  • @hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    99•2 months ago

    This sign implies they’re fully aware of how unsafe it is to have a device like that. SO WHY THE FUCK DO THEY HAVE ONE?!

    • @pneumatron@sh.itjust.works
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      Oh they’re so cool and convenient!!

      /s but sadly not /s

      I hate this place

      • @Delphia@lemmy.world
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        As a enthusiastic home cook being able to set timers without using my hands is a godsend. Thats 90% of what my google nest hub does.

        • @pneumatron@sh.itjust.works
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          7•2 months ago

          But your phones already do that

          • @Delphia@lemmy.world
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            5•2 months ago

            I disabled voice assistant on my phone. My wife wanted a google nest for home, after the novelty wore off its basically a timer-setter and sometimes turning the tv on when I cant find the remote.

    • @silverlose@lemm.ee
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      3•2 months ago

      I guess it’s a tele-health thing? Otherwise yeah wtf

  • @apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    51•2 months ago

    Please remember to unplug and throw the echo out of the building. Preferably into a woodchipper.

  • @ceenote@lemmy.world
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    46•2 months ago

    Only acceptable if their mute button is a hammer.

  • @dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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    30•2 months ago

    I worked for a couple years at a residential school where a lot of the kids had significant medical issues (to the point part of our training was on HIPAA). Tons of kids had echo devices, and I spent a significant chunk of my time there trying to get anyone to take seriously the huge privacy risk those things posed.

    • @frog_brawler@lemmy.world
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      3•2 months ago

      Is it more of a risk than your cell phone?

  • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    29•2 months ago

    Pull the fuckin plug, holy shit. It’s not that hard.

  • @BenLeMan@lemmy.world
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    25•2 months ago

    Ah yes, the"mute" feature, a.k.a. “I’m not listening, pinky promise! 😇.”

  • @CrayonRosary@lemmy.world
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    Why is there a mugshot superimposed on this photo? It’s just one of those psychological tests where most people don’t see it because they expect the window to be reflecting something and they’re just reading the sign?

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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      43•2 months ago

      It’s the mugshot of Ted Kaczynski, AKA the Unabomber, who was quite famous for having an extreme aversion to technology and how he perceived its role in the downfall of society.

      • @CrayonRosary@lemmy.world
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        8•2 months ago

        Makes sense. Thanks.

      • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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        8•2 months ago

        You know shit’s bad when you start to realize Ted had a few good points.

        • @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Uncle Ted had a lot of good points, he just went about expressing them uhhhhhh

          VERY poorly

      • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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        4•2 months ago

        This person manifestos

      • 🇸‌🇵‌🇪‌🇨‌🇺‌🇱‌🇦‌🇹‌🇪‌🇷‌
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        2•2 months ago

        I mean…

    • @Pacrat173@lemmy.ml
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      3•2 months ago

      This explains it

    • @0ndead@infosec.pub
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      2•2 months ago

      Yeah, wtf. Looks like a mugshot

      • @CrayonRosary@lemmy.world
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        3•2 months ago

        Oh, I meant mugshot, but accidentally typed headshot. I fixed it. Thanks!

  • @henfredemars@infosec.pub
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    18•2 months ago

    I’m not even surprised. All your info is being sent around by shady fax-to-email conversion companies using Chinese servers. Ask me how I know–we use them.

    • @TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz
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      The US is so cooked

  • @lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
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    17•2 months ago

    I want such a voice thingy, but 100% local.

    Homeassistant is making porgress with this idea, but it’s a slow progress.

    • The Picard ManeuverOPM
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      8•2 months ago

      That’s how I feel about AI stuff too. Like, I’d love to “Ghibli-fi” my family like everyone else, but I’d prefer to run it locally rather than hand over family photos to one of these AI companies.

      • @OccultIconoclast@reddthat.com
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        3•2 months ago

        Miyazaki says AI art is an insult to life itself

    • @Tower@lemm.ee
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      6•2 months ago

      Same boat. Tools like this and Gemini make managing my ADHD sooooo much easier. Having a JARVIS-esque “AI personal assistant” would make a lot of my struggles less debilitating. I’d even be willing to pay, as long as the data stayed private.

      • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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        4•2 months ago

        Tools like this and Gemini make managing my ADHD sooooo much easier.

        Can you elaborate on this?

        • @Tower@lemm.ee
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          My working memory is terrible. If I don’t write something down, it’s likely forgotten. I’ve always tried to keep a pen and paper on me, to varying degrees of success. Now, instead I can “Hey Google, add x to my grocery list” and it’ll add it to my shopping list in Keep, or “… Create a reminder/alarm/event for…” for reminders to empty the dishwasher in 45 minutes or remember that I just agreed to plans on Saturday.

          I’m not a huge fan of Google anymore, but I still willingly use their services because the tradeoff is that beneficial to me.

          • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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            2•2 months ago

            That makes sense. Thanks!

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        I think local voice to text algorithms have gotten pretty freaking accurate. You’d need a way to activate listen, send it over the router, then receive the output signal to an Arduino/Raspberry Pi to switch something on or off. I’m sure it’s not terribly difficult to design, but I bet the subscription model is so lucrative no one with the know how would offer a local version.

    • @Ronno@feddit.nl
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      1•2 months ago

      The new update looks great! I’m yet to try it myself though.

      It includes a way to automatically have the voice assistant ask a question, so you only have to respond. E.g. when you come home it can ask: Do you want to play some music? Or when you heat up the oven, it can ask if you want to set a timer. You then just reply with what you want. This is the kind of interaction that makes it feel a lot more like Jarvis IMO.

  • @IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    • @DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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      Not even turned off… Just muted. Because that’s the same thing as not listening.

  • @Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee
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    • @miraclerandy@lemmy.world
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      His manifesto was all about technology controlling our lives. That’s my guess as to why that’s in there.

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        deleted by creator

      • @DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        That, racism, fascism, and incel grievances.

        • @funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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          And wanting to blow people up regardless

    • The Picard ManeuverOPM
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      It’s a meme that people will add his photo to images of technology acting in ways that it shouldn’t.

      Another example:

  • @GooberEar@lemmy.wtf
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    4•2 months ago

    We had this policy at my last job, but not due to HIPAA. Any time “Alexa” came up in conversations, it was very common for peoples’ devices to chime in, telling on them.

    Granted, we were in tech, so we were very aware that these things aren’t recording everything you say and sending the recordings off to motherbrain nor “spying”, per se.

    • @hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de
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      I recall them being caught of being in the possession of recordings they shouldn’t have had.

      On top of this the option of not sending recordings to the cloud is being removed just now - so they stopped pretending to respect your privacy.

      • @GooberEar@lemmy.wtf
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        0•2 months ago

        I’d need more (and reliable) information to comment on your first statement.

        For your second statement, there were apparently a limited number of devices which could process some commands locally, but most devices never had that capability to begin with. For the ones that could, it sounds like Amazon is deprecating the functionality. Does that sound correct? Either way, that’s still a substantially different situation from having a device that’s recording everything you say and uploading it to the cloud.

        • @SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Newsweek has a good overview.

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