IANAL but in my reading of the text of the bill the only way for a married woman that took her partner’s last name (that wasn’t in the military with her married name) to be able to vote if this becomes law is for them to spend at least $30 to get a USA Passport card. This would tick all the boxes the bill requires for these women:
- Government ID
- Shows citizenship status (by nature of it being a Passport)
- Shows place of birth
- Shows the married last name
…or as I’m calling it:
This is violation of the 24th Amendment banning poll Taxes.
In this case, its a required fee married women must pay to be able to use their Constitutional guaranteed right to vote granted by the 19th Amendment. How is this not a poll tax by another name on married women?
At this point the constitution is more of a guideline.
To the GOP it’s just rough paper to wipe their asses.
Worse getting the card is a major pita with the documentation and photo and having to mail it for first time.
Consider this too. A woman has all of her ducks in a row with her married last name, and then divorces her POS republican husband. Now she needs to re-establish her identity all over again.
For the ladies out there (or anyone getting married) keep your last name. My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.
My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.
Same here. :)
But doesn’t this mean you now have to get a passport card if you took their last name?
They didn’t. People who know the wife assume her name will be the same and mistakenly call them the same.
It always seems to me that this wouldn’t be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy. I know $30 can be a significant sum (plus the pictures and other expenses) but it would be less of a hurdle if
- relevant offices were within reasonable distance
- they were sufficiently manned
- all or part of the process could be done online
- the government actually strives to make these processes as user-friendly as possible
This is something Americans rarely talk about because it’s just assumed that everybody knows? Maybe somebody could explain to a EU dweller.
edit: maybe I didn’t phrase this properly. I’m fully aware that preventing people from voting has a long “tradition” in the US; my question was more general I guess, and meant as an “in addition to the points already mentioned”.
Those in power absolutely know these things but making things more difficult is the actual point. Voter fraud is extremely rare. The justification is all bull shit.
It’s ultimately about preventing people who might vote Democrat from voting. If it affects a ton of Republican voters that’s fine so long as it hits disproportionately more Democrats.
It always seems to me that this wouldn’t be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy.
As a European I have no expectation you’d had this nugget of US history, but I can fill in the gap. After slavery was outlawed in the entire USA in the 1850s (post civil war) racist bigots enacted laws preventing black Americans from using their newly gained Constitutional rights. There were lots of examples of this. In many of the southern state local leaders instituted poll taxes, which was a required fee that someone would have to pay before being able to vote, but these same laws gave exemptions to anyone whose grandfather had voted in a prior election. Because whites had a long history of voting they were exempt from these taxes. Because newly freed slaves whose grandfathers had not been allowed to vote hadn’t, the poll tax applied only to blacks. This disenfranchisement was deliberate on the part of white leaders with the intent to suppress black voting.
This is obviously fairly fucked up way to run a country, so the people of the USA passed an amendment to the US Constitution banning poll taxes on everyone. This is the 24th Amendment (passed in 1964). Better late than never.
So this new requirement on married women to pay at least $30 to get a passport card is a de facto poll tax which is outlawed by our Constitution (24th Amendment) also because it violates the 19th Amendment (the one that gave women the right to vote) as this law specifically targets married women (and not married men).
I knew that, but how does it answer my question?
You’re absolutely correct, but Donald Trump dgaf about the constitution, at most he sees it as an inconvenience, something that other people have to do or something to wave like a flag, not something for him personally to actually obey. And the scotus has no intention whatsoever of holding him to it.
They could waive the fee as part of it?
They could do that but besides still being shitty, it may not satisfy the 19th Amendment. The text of the Amendment read:
- The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Making married women jump through the arduous hoops of obtaining a passport card (and indirect costs associated with it such as postage and photography costs) could still be possibly considered “abridged” in violation of this Constitutional Amendment. This is especially true when this new bill effectively singles out married women. Married men don’t have to do any of this so it could also still be a violation on the “on account of sex” portion of the Amendment.
How about making Bubba from bumble-fuck Arkansas have to drive to some major city to register for his right to vote?
See how that can be seen as an undue burden on voting?
here’s the issue.
There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right. Since people with no knowledge about the subject made sure to make it as expensive as possible to enjoy a right, the psychopaths in office now have precedent.
one cannot tax one right and hand wave another. So . which do you think will fall first?
Is there an amendment that bans a tax on gun ownership?
If not, then your argument has no standing
is there an Amendment that bans a tax on any right?
if not then your argument has no standing.
Point is, requiring people to pay to exercise rights is now enshrined. and we watched it happen.
The 24th amendment very specifically bans polling taxes
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Miller v. US, 230 F2d 489 “The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969). “Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.”
US Supreme Court in Hurtado v. California 110 US 516: “The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.”
Sherar v. Cullen, 481 F2d 946(1973) “… there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights”
Also in Murdock: “a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”"
The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.
Irrelevant to this conversation.
Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.
By this logic, voter registration isn’t in the constitution, so you might be able to make the argument that it violates the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 24th amendments. Again, by this logic, regardless of if people have proper voting registration or any voting registration at all, they should still be able to vote anyways. The 4 Democrats mentioned in the above article pass a law against the above.
The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.
Tell that to the Republicans that introduced the above bill.
there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights
What about the right to protest of UCLA students last April being violated because of false claims of anti-semitism, or the right to protest of Columbia students last March because of similar false claims? Did the US care about imposing sanctions or penalties on those people, or did they just detain and deport them instead?
a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”
Again, tell that to Republicans that introduced the above bill.
So which amendment bans taxes on gun ownership. Must have missed that one.
There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right.
I looked at the receipt for a recent gun purchase, a rifle, and there are zero taxes or fees on it except sales tax which applies to nearly all items (such as video games or automobiles) for sale. There were no required licenses or classes to purchase or own this firearm.
in your state. Where I am there are requirements for everything. from buying ammo to getting separate licenses for long guns and pistols.
the weapon itself is not what I’m talking about. of course that’s taxable.
one cannot tax one right and hand wave another
Clearly you’re wrong because ones been being taxed and the other hasn’t. There’s a direct ban on poll taxes in the constitution, there is no such things for guns
Dont stop! I’m playing sad violin music to back you up! keep typing, think of the children who wont get to fire guns without your continued effort.
Jesus Christ what’s the matter with you! I didn’t think id see the same type of insulting children here as on reddit. What ever happened to civil discourse?
Sorry guy, no one’s going to pity an ammosexual trying to equate a tax on guns to a poll tax.
Umm. I don’t own a modern firearm
Don’t be so antagonistic. No one’s asking for sympathy. Why so angry?
Lol up and down this thread crying about gun taxes. “Why so angry?” You’re that kind of redditor lol. I’d say go back, but I’ll bet you’re one of the ones that actually earned your ban.
Um. You ok ? What have I said to offend you so? Did I call you a name or something?
I’m a bit confused as to why you won’t just have a civil discussion?
( sad violin music intensifies, with frett pounding added to simulate bullet firing noises )
Its about time someone spoke up for pew-pew owners rights. Why do the anti school shooting folks get all the press?
How dare everyone not consider my gawd-given personal rights to mass casualty tools.
/s
But that means something like 204 democrats voted against. Maybe if those 4 hadn’t of supported the bill, it might have failed, but you can’t blame the democrats for a shitty bill when 97% voted against.
It still would have passed. 208-212
Someone doesn’t know abaut the rotating villain system.
yeah you can because they need to all be united on this I bet you all the Republicans voted yes all the Democrats should have voted no not that it matters anyways because it would have still passed it’s just a matter of principle I don’t get why you guys don’t understand that it’s quite simple
No Democrat should vote for a single Nazi bill, ever.
Scratch a liberal…
Time to vote with guns.
Or at least vote for the progressive in the primary first.
Nah, people running under the progressive name need to know we’re done fucking around.
Police love to send out provocateurs to start trouble and give them an excuse to crack down.
Donnie, you’re out of your element.
They arent going to listen to us until we start blowing up police cars anyway
Police love to send out provocateurs to start trouble and give them an excuse to crack down.
Case in point. There are always plenty of people who don’t mind seeing other folks get stomped.
Cops have been killing people anyway. May as well get something for it.
Apparently, the concept of ‘few’ and ‘many, many’ eludes you.
Been doing that since 2003. Doesn’t seem to do anything.
Pretty obvious from the election they want progressives kept of the ballots by all means, and mostly by the dems.
Can’t challenge the uniparty monopoly.
It’s not these four cowardly DINOs that make me lose faith in this country. It’s the people continuing to defend them.
I don’t think anyone defends them.
This headline is horseshit so I’ve only read enough to establish that much and am ignoring the rest of the article. Someone post a different one.
Here’s all you need to know from the article:
Republicans, and apparently some Democrats
many have warned that it could even make it harder for married women to vote.
The only conclusion you should draw is this: Marin Scotten of the New Republic is full of shit and shall not be trusted ever. You may conclude as you wish about all other matters based on other sources.
You’re being extreme. I suppose headline is misleading because the bill would have passed without Democrat support, and it doesn’t directly restrict the voting of married women. But four house democrats did vote for this (presumably because they’re in swing districts or border towns?), and the premise (requiring proof of citizenship is soft voter supression) appears to be true.
But you are touching on something I feel. Lots of really sensationalist sources float to the top of Lemmy’s front page.
New Republic is the worst. The Trump administration already does a lot of really awful, shitty, terrible things that deserve sunlight without sensationalizing shit, but they make a lot of sensationalist articles and a lot of “Oh Boy this ONE maga voter is really sorry now!” pieces. It’s got big institutional Democrat energy.
That said, yes, the headline is indirectly correct.
Rawstory is pretty bad too. Blogs/tweets that float up can be even worse.
I get it, people have their regular sources and well we should do something about it and post better ones if we don’t like it, but still.
This headline is horseshit
The legislation fucks with the ability for women who change their last name after marriage to obtain the IDs necessary to cast a ballot, which are increasingly fixated on tying everything back to your Birth Certificate. Four Democrats supported this bill, ostensibly in order to fuck over Transgender people.
Incidentally, one of the four - Henry Cuellar - is indicted on charges of bribery, unlawful foreign influence, and money laundering, allegedly accepting nearly $600,000 in bribes from foreign entities in exchange for political favors. Crazy that Dem megadonors continue to back him in election after election.
Marin Scotten of the New Republic is full of shit and shall not be trusted ever.
My guy, you’re the one spewing horseshit here.
right I thought I was waking up in crazy town. many women change their names and do not update their birth certificate My therapist was literally telling me about her issues with doing it because she’s been divorced a couple times this legislation directly impacts women and trans people specifically. It is intentionally written to make it harder for people in these groups to vote me personally I’m in the middle of getting my birth certificate updated so I’m hoping it won’t be a problem by the time midterms come up, but overall this bill is a bad bill it’s not needed there’s no need for this bill it’s absolutely pointless and pathetic attempt at voter manipulation
I’m going to conclude blue MAGA is angry and can’t take criticism.
Attacking the source when NPR and plenty of media report the same thing.Focusing direct attention on 4 out of 220 people and wording it as if those were the only people who did it isn’t a critisism, it’s a manipulation. It’s the same manipulation that was around for months before the election which lead to all this bullshit in the first place. For a median voter it makes this regular “both sides” bullshit, when in reality it’s 216 vs 4 people.
“Four democrats passed this,” but we are just going to ignore the 216 conservatives that passed it?
So when do we get to start calling bullshit like this propaganda?
“man bites dog” vs “dog bites man”
We all know what the Republicans unanimously stand for. Apparently some democrats do too, and that’s worth noting.
People expect the representative they voted for to vote how they want. Conservatives’ representative voted as they wanted. Whereas Democrats’ representative voted against their wishes. Hence the outrage.
This is a simplistic explanation, 4 Democratic representative might have voted as their constituents have demanded.
Based on what I hear on local news, Perez at least probably is doing what her constituents want. She won a very red district as a Democrat by appealing to the people in her district. I don’t like her vote, but I get it.
I’d bet most conservative women didn’t vote to have their ability to vote taken away as well. Having to have a “real ID” license accepted in every state not be accepted to vote is pure ridiculousness.
Everyone expects the scorpion to stab the frog, it’s in its nature.
Everyone expects Republicans to be totally corrupt monsters.
The people we are supposed to depend on to fight monsters keep helping them pass bills when they could be blocking them.
This means they are complicit. There’s always enough traitors to make the bad things pass, never enough cooperation to make the good things pass when they have a majority.
The Democrats have been playing this game for too long and it’s saf you haven’t started to notice too.
Easier to paste my response to someone else that responded with the same thing:
I have a hard time accepting that just because, conserves are being conservatives, it’s seemingly fine that they do this shit. We’ll just all be outraged at the audacity of four idiot democrats that voted in lock-step with them.
All of them need to be held accountable. ALL of them.
But here, when all I see are people ignoring the villains, it makes me wonder why I ever bothered to question how we got here.
Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do. And seeing everyone focused on holding four democrats responsible for their joint effort with 16 conservatives and not even mentioning the assholes that drew this up to begin with-
I guess it all makes more sense now how thoroughly we are fucked.
It’s totally Democrats fault.
It’s my fucking party that I’m a fucking registered member of. Don’t tell me I can’t be madder at them for literally stabbing me in the back instead of fighting my opposition like they were supposed to do.
It’s a perfectly justified reaction to be madder at betrayal. Don’t be a clueless moron.
lol… okay. You can be “madder” at them all you want. Blame the democrats and not the conservatives that drew up the bill and unanimously passed it. Be my guest.
You’re only falling for the exact thing that has enabled them to continue doing shit like this to begin with.
So someone can’t write an article about the four of them? Are there no other articles just reporting the decision? Should we not know?
So many posts on here just blaming the right. Should there be none on how some Dems are not voting for the people?
Except that’s not what’s happening. The Republicans voted like you’d expect them to vote, hence not news. The so-called Democrats betrayed what their voters expected of them.
Same reason it’s new when a small number of Republicans voted against the rest of the party and Trump.
Everyone already knows all the republicans supported it; anything under their jurisdiction is already a lost cause. What I want to know is how many people from the “left” party can’t even keep their own votes on the right side of history. It’s not news when villains are villains - it’s news when the people who say they’re here to fight back against the villains are caught supporting them, and it’s important not to drown out that important detail among a bunch of already-known regressives. People need to see that the current democratic party isn’t a viable defense against conservativism, and that we need to do something more to get things moving in the right direction again than simply trusting democrats to fix everything.
I get what you’re saying… but have a hard time accepting that just because, conserves are being conservatives, it’s seemingly fine that they do villain-shit. We’ll just be outraged at the audacity of four idiot democrats that voted in lock-step with them.
ALL of them need to be held accountable.
But here, when all I see are people ignoring the villains, it makes me wonder why I ever bothered to question how we got here.
Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do. And seeing everyone focused on holding four democrats responsible for their joint effort with 16 conservatives and not even mentioning the assholes that drew this up to begin with-
I guess it all makes more sense now how thoroughly we are fucked.
It’s totally Democrats fault.
Stop copy pastin this slop its barely coherent
pastin
And what I said is slop?
I’ll digress and simplify it for you since you seem to be having trouble:
I find it strange how here on lemmy, whenever something happens, any time a democrat is involved in the slightest- whatever bad happened, it’s entirely blamed on the democrats, regardless of the fact that it wouldn’t have even happened to begin with had it not been for conservatives.
Further simplification:
• A bill is drafted- by conservatives
• 216 conservatives vote for it
• 4 democrats vote for itYou: “See? We told you! All of the democrats are evil!”
Or is it every time (cuz there are countless times) people get mad at Dems for failing just enough to enable the Republicans some copy pastin breathless newbie to politics comes in with copypasta defending them?
Hmmmmmm 🤔
I’d prefer to go with what’s empirically provable vs. some random shit you came up with because you can’t be seen to be proven wrong about something- in an argument with someone that you need to assume shit about in order to look like you know what you’re saying.
And “breathless newbie”?
Hilarious! You know nothing about me, therefore, you don’t get to make edits to who I am.
Now… You’re just going to have to be okay with all of this and move on, alright?
We’re done talking now. Enjoy that ever-important last word you seem to always have to have.
Im blocked already? Man what a whirlwind
This is exactly the trick that has got us to this point, and you are giving the average news consumer way too much credit.
Yes, democrats being villains on this is novel and republicans being villains is not, but news reports bias our attention and skew reality. Viewers who are only exposed to this unconsciously end up completely turned around, saying in general democrats are the problem. This is how we end up with elections where voters stay home. And young people have internalized the disproportionate criticism of democrats, and that is probably helping give right-wing influencers credibility.
Objective and credible news should NOT just report on what’s novel. They should report on proportional responsibility.
My initial reaction to this headline was: “what now?”, and my first reaction on reading the article was “oh, it’s a continuation of the horror show that calls itself US government - not actually something that four democrats are responsible for”
So I’m totally with you. Stop the sanewashing of the continued and systematic madness rising to ever new heights of depravity, should be the headline.
Republicans built the foundation for what’s happening now for decades, and it was always like you said in your other comment: “Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do.” Well, slightly more differentiated.
This bill is yet another voter supression tool. This is what they ultimately want: you have to be rich, male, of a certain ethic, and “white” to have a say. And they’re almost there. If voting was really made easy for everyone, do you really think the GOP would still win?
This is yet another piece of codified and systemic racism, misogyny, homo- and transphobia, richism.
The hollowing out of what was once a working, relatively democratic system to a point where even the empty shell is starting to break up.All that said, Democrats should start wielding what power they have (both in the government and in media, public opinion etc.) way more decisively. Between elections we must talk about how fucked up both parties are.
This comment (from this post) puts it best imho:
https://lemmy.world/comment/16414382
https://feddit.org/post/10702307/6001640I’ve been calling out this propaganda since 2016. Dividing the left is an extremely successful tactic.
What do Democrats have to do with the left? Especially the Democrats in question.
Establishment Democrats have shived the left a million times and I never hear this pearl clutching about how they are “dividing the left” from folks like you. When a progressive primaries a corporate Democrat we get told that we shouldn’t mess with incumbents. When a corporate Democrat challenges a seated progressive, the establishment pumps tens of thousands of dollars into the challengers campaign.
We aren’t “dividing the left”, we are acknowledging a divide between the left and third way neoliberals. Establishment candidates want our votes and especially our donations, but then they want us to sit down and shut up.
Little-l left. As in, encompassing everyone left of center. Not “the Left”.
Neoliberalism is not a left of center political philosophy. We have to right of center parties and a moderately left of center population. That’s why the Democrats are always referred to as the lesser of two evils.
Mathematically, Democrats are by definition left of center. You can’t just place the “center” wherever you want.
Huh? What center are we talking about? Democrats are left of Republicans (marginally before Trump, but still) but the center of office holders is a pointless measure. Issue by issue the Democrats are solidly to the right of the vast majority of the US population.
but the center of office holders is a pointless measure
da fuq? It’s the definition of “center”. It’s the literal way we measure political leanings.
Issue by issue the Democrats are solidly to the right of the vast majority of the US population.
One problem is that when it comes to individual issues, Americans are fairly to the left of Democrats. But when it comes to politicians or broad policies, Americans are to the RIGHT of Democrats. The American voting population is stupid, and they don’t consider individual issues (and in most cases, never vote on them via ballot measures etc). Also, a lot of policies are given the broad label of “reform”, and Americans have very different ideas of what “reform” means. “Immigration reform” could mean anything from an open border policy to immediate execution of any illegal immigrants. Most Americans support “reform” though.
Calling people who voted to disenfranchise millions the 'left" is an insult.
Havent you heard the term “It goes without saying”? I just don’t need to tell you that the sun rises in the east, 2+2=4, or Republicans are evil. But apparently, some of you insist on giving a pass to Democrats, who act like they’re on our side, but continually help make things worse.
The point is that it’s all kayfabe and just enough Democrats will vote to make things worse or prevent something from getting better. If you only blame Republicans, you’re not paying attention.
but continually help make things worse
Funny how you people always conflate “not having the numbers to effectively stop Republicans” with “actively helping Republicans”. Every single time I drill down to ask what specifically the Dems did to make things worse, it’s always “they failed to stop the Republicans”.
I guess you’re confused because you aren’t listening.
THEY VOTED FOR THE BILL.
Voting for a bill is actively helping Republicans. Do you need to watch Schoolhouse Rock again?
what specifically the Dems did to make things worse
THEY VOTED FOR THE BILL.
Absolutely nobody here is mad that Democrats “failed to stop Republicans”. You need to stop being disingenuous. We’re mad because THEY VOTED FOR THE BILL.
And we circle back around to “Democrats did a bad thing” instead of “a tiny number of Democrats went against the wishes of the party and joined all of the Republicans to do a bad thing”
Propaganda.
“The Democrats” did not vote for this bill and implying so is fucking. Propaganda.
So, what is the party going to do about it? If the answer is nothing, then the party itself shares the blame. Republicans enforce party discipline while Democrats use a lack of party discipline as an excuse.
Because the Republicans are fucking fascists and we are not. It’s more difficult to enforce discipline when your party is ANTI authoritarian.
Wonder how much they’re getting paid?
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Because we expect that from Republicans. It’s the democrats defecting that is the worrisome part.
The fact that Republicans want to take away peoples’ ability to vote isn’t really news, but the fact that any Democrats supported it is.
the fact that any Democrats supported it is
No one paying attention would have expected anything different. Its been 13 years since the VRA was struck down and democrats have done nothing meaningful, other than fundraise, off protecting voting rights. Doing nothing is worse than taking rights.
Doing nothing is worse than taking rights.
No, the latter is absolutely still worse.
Silence is complicity
It fucking should be news, and anyone trying to shift blame to Democrats is a goddamn shill.
To be fair it has been news, for the 20+ years they’ve been doing it. When I say ‘it’s not news’ I don’t mean ‘it’s not newsworthy’ - it absolutely is - just that it should not be surprising to anyone, so focusing on democrat support for it is definitely the bigger deal and should definitely be the headline. Those 4 democrats are not ‘to blame’ for this, it would have passed anyway, but their complicity with fascism should absolutely be reported and remembered.
Not when it eclipses the actual fascism. I agree it’s worth reporting and remembering but not to the exclusion of the main bastards behind this shit.
It wasn’t to the exclusion of. The article clearly mentions that every Republican voted for it IIRC. But headlines can only be so long and you have to lead with something. The 20th time you use ‘look, the fascists are fashing again!’ it’s just not going to draw people in to read the article and find out, not about the 200-odd traitors we knew about which is important to know but we already know it, but the 4 who we didn’t know were traitors.
Four Democrats Pass Bill Making It Harder for Married Women to Vote
- propaganda
Four Democrats Join Republicans to Pass Bill Making It Harder for Married Women to Vote
- accurate, and still drives engagement
You know what, that’s fair. And that’s a more informative/less ragebaity headline in general anyway.
I mean, you’re right that Republicans taking away people’s rights should be news. It should be the topmost article on a newspaper.
Right under that though should be the news about how the supposed opposition party caved in to the Republicans by agreeing and voting in favor, thereby increasing the Republicans’ effective party size in the House.
Democratic representatives not representing their constituents should be news, but of course that news is as old as printing itself, much longer.
the supposed opposition party caved
FOUR. Out of fucking 213. Saying “the Democratic party” did this is fucking propaganda.
Republicans tell us who they are, so theres no need to point out what theyve already told us. Democrats however always claim to hold the high ground as if they are not collaborators in regressive legislation.
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These are the Democrats that will replace Manchin and Semina as the rotating villains once they come back into power.
‘We tried, but look what Cuellar did’
I was thinking the same. Like what? 6 dudes didn’t pass the bill, half of your representatives did.
When are you doing to hold these fucking pro-Trump Democrats accountable? So such of the constant whining and crying every time the Democrats are called out on their bullshit.
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What’s Anyone doing to hold Republicans accountable?
The headline should read 216 Republicans ensured passage of this bill.
My God, part of everything we deal with these days is no one holds Republicans accountable. Media, voters, commenters, etc. Maybe try that for once instead of focusing on 4 Democrats who DON’T MATTER.
They never will. They will defend them because even when they vote in agreement with stripping the rights of Americans because of Trump, they’re on the blue team, so it’s always valid and justified.
Try to primary them and see how fast the Democratic establishment is to come to their defense. “Democrats” is fair. Not all Democrats, but the party establishment is rotten.
Try to primary them and see how fast the Democratic establishment is to come to their defense
Who fucking cares what the establishment says. The nominees is whoever won the primary vote.
Which, far too often, is whomever has the most money. The Democratic establishment and AIPAC have successfully flooded progressives out in several races. It’s not that we can’t win, but it’s clear that the party is against us, which was my point. It’s not just a handful of shitty Democrats we need to replace.
The Democratic establishment and AIPAC have successfully flooded progressives out in several races
At the end of the day, those progressives lost because the voters went the other way. Either there are enough progressive voters in a district or there aren’t. If there are, then they just need to go out and vote and then the money and PACs can get fucked.
Actually only 216 Republicans voted Yea, 4 of them didn’t vote at all, and 0 Nay but yes you’re 100% right that the GOP should own this and the DNC are the resistance.
Honest question, if those four hadn’t voted for it, would the bill have failed?
It passed 220-208, so no it wouldn’t have changed anything.
so the site wrote a shitty headline just to get clicks? nah, that never happens.
Republicans wanting to ban women from voting isn’t really news.
It really shouldn’t be news, but remember…there are most likely a lot of morons out there who would still be shocked to hear about it. The ones who don’t like to talk or read about politics, the uninformed voter. These are Americans we’re talking about.
Those people aren’t on Lemmy and they aren’t reading New Republic articles.
The morons who would be shocked by this news are other Republicans that only consume Republican news sources.
they are called collaborators. Nazi Collaborators…
Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case
This is why democrats worked so hard to keep coathager cuellar in office. They need people like him to vote how they want.
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez sold out the US on another important vote at some point in the recent past. Her name was unique enough to remember. Are the other three also habitual free agents?
IT FUCKING PASSED?
We have long crossed the Rubicon.
It passed the house a few days ago, from my understanding it is less likely to pass the Senate
If this is likely to pass its not just the Republicans who are compromised.
Even if every Democrat in the house that day voted Nay it still would have passed by 3 votes
Why would anyone vote for this that isnt a bigot? The fact any did is vomit inducing. Its authoritarian trash through and through.
The fact that any did is vomit inducing, although I’ve never personally vomited out of stress, but this bill exists because of Republicans. It passed the vote because of Republicans. This is a Republican bill and we need to make sure people don’t try to spin this as some DNC failure when electing more DNC is the exact solution to this problem.
Idk, the DNC’s lessons from this seemed to be “move more rightward”
Thats why AOC is rolling with an independent right now.
Unless she gets real power in the party I dont care for them anymore. They dont want to harbor progressives.
The current DNC are more left than they’ve ever been, which has been more true every election.
Why wouldn’t it? GOP are 53 seats in the senate, this is their bill with unanimous support in the house.
Still needs 60 votes to pass the fillabuster.
Oh yeah, good point, this time it isn’t a budget so Fillibuster Time it is.
Hopefully republicans are still more religious, more often married and therefore more affected by this stupid bill…
Democratic leadership is a joke. Jefferies and Schumer need to step down. This is pathetic.
216 conservatives voted for for this. But you’re going to blame this on democratic leadership.
This is how propaganda is so effective folks!
Is the general IQ on Lemmy dropping that rapidly? I’ve seen your name before but can’t remember the context so I’m going to assume this is in good faith.
Leadership positions…wait for it… lead and address the members of their party and their actions. You know, like the republicans currently have on lock and shit on anyone that steps out of bounds. These individuals should most definitely be called the fuck out
“I voted for the SAVE Act for the simple reason that American elections are for Americans. Requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote is common sense,”
Some claim that requiring proof of citizenship is too onerous a burden, or that it will “disenfranchise” those whose names have changed for reasons like marriage. The truth is the SAVE Act ensures name changes will not prevent anyone from registering to vote.
But most importantly, it requires state leaders to establish protocols to allow citizens to register even if there are discrepancies in documents, such as name changes.
State’s Rights… The “real” truth is… Common Sense, if that isn’t the fucking republican playbook I don’t know what is. Best part is the end,
Maine’s voting culture is the best in the nation. I am confident that under the SAVE Act, our state can both ensure that only citizens can cast ballots and that no one faces unnecessary barriers to registering to vote.
fuck you, we got ours. No protections for those outside of his state, he doesn’t fucking care lol. Every single one of these fuckers needs primaried and taken out of office. The actual fucking DNC shutting down funding and kicking these losers from the party would be a miracle we all need but won’t happen.
Again, 216 conservatives voted for a thing along with 4 democrats, and we’re all up in arms about the democrats.
The conservatives can simply just do whatever the fuck they want knowing that the democrats will take the blame for it.
This is the new America.
Did you not read the article?
This is the second time Republicans have tried to codify the bill, which passed in the House last year but failed in the Senate.
it’s long been an obsession of the GOP, which frames the practice as an existential threat to democracy.
Did you not look into the site that published the article?
The New Republic was founded in 1914 to bring liberalism into the modern era… face challenges that belong entirely to this age, from the climate crisis to Republicans hell-bent on subverting democratic governance.
This site, This article, and These comments are not made as a critique on the republican party and were never intended to be.
Do you want a real example of “THiS Is ThE nEW AmErIcA!!”?
List of party switchers in the United States
2020–present
2020 – Jason Barrett, West Virginia state representative[136] 2020 – Kevin Horan, Mississippi state representative[137][138] 2021 – Mick Bates, West Virginia state delegate[139] 2021 – Ryan Guillen, Texas state representative[140] 2021 – John Jay Lee, mayor of North Las Vegas, Nevada[141] 2021 – Vernon Jones, former Georgia state representative[142] 2021 – Jon Ray Lancaster, Mississippi state representative[143] 2021 – Inna Vernikov, future New York City councilmember[144] 2022 – Elaine Beech, former Alabama state representative[145] 2022 – Alec Brook-Krasny, New York state assemblymember[146] 2022 – Glenn Jeffries, West Virginia state senator 2022 – Ari Kagan, New York City councilmember[147] 2023 – Dov Hikind, former New York state assemblymember[148] 2023 – Tricia Cotham, North Carolina state representative[149] 2023 – Eric Johnson, mayor of Dallas, Texas[150] 2023 – Jeremy LaCombe, Louisiana state representative[151] 2023 – Mesha Mainor, Georgia state representative[152] 2023 – Elliott Pritt, West Virginia state delegate[153] 2023 – Francis C. Thompson, Louisiana state representative[154] 2024 – Marie Alvarado-Gil, California state senator[155] 2024 – Todd Blanche, United States Deputy Attorney General (2025–present) 2024 – Matthew Coker, New Hampshire state representative[156] 2024 – Sherry Gould, New Hampshire state representative[157] 2024 – Mike McDonnell, Nebraska state senator 2024 – Gabriel Ramos, former New Mexico state senator, later re-elected New Mexico state senator[158] 2024 – John S. Rodgers, former Vermont state senator, later lieutenant governor of Vermont (2025–present)[159] 2024 – Gloria Romero, former California state senator[160] 2024 – Doug Skaff, former West Virginia state delegate 2024 – Shawn Thierry, Texas state representative[161] 2024 – Susan Valdes, Florida state representative[162] 2024 – Hillary Cassel, Florida state representative 2025 - Lindy Li, political commentator and campaign operative[163] 2025 - David Pascoe, South Carolina First Circuit Solicitor (2005-Present)[164]Republicans to Democrats (for comparison)
2020–present
2020 – Frank Aguilar, member of the Cook County board of commissioners. Previously an Illinois state representative[338] 2021 – Joy Hofmeister, Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction (2015–2023) and 2022 Democratic gubernatorial nominee[339] 2021 – William Marsh, New Hampshire state representative[340] 2021 – Jennifer McCormick, former Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction (2017–2021)[341] 2022 – Jim Leach, former U.S. representative from Iowa (1977–2007)[342] 2022 – Kevin Priola, Colorado state senator[343] 2023 – Michelle Henry, attorney general of Pennsylvania (2023–2025)[344] 2023 – Samuel D. Thompson, New Jersey state senator[345]Sure. Totally the democrats fault. I get that. It’s totally in the math!
216 conservative votes for? “We’re totally cool with that! Completely normal- and acceptable.”
4 democrat votes for? “REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”
Makes complete sense to me!
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Ahh cool, you don’t have anything to actually say. Have a good one!
Cool indeed. Keep being distracted by the four shiny objects while the 216 dull ones keep talking away your rights.
Nothing to say indeed.
It’s always funny how you never see anyone from .ml putting the blame where it lies if a democrat is involved in the slightest.
Conservatives have destroyed America, but if democrats happened to exist while it happened?
“REEEEEEEEE! It’s the LiBtARD bLueMaGAs caused this!”
I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you but here we are.
I’m not blaming the Democratic leadership on this bill passing. The Republicans have the majority, it’s to be expected that their agenda gets passed. What I’m blaming the Democratic leadership for is being consistently incapable of unifying their party in steadfast opposition to the fascist and authoritarian agenda they spent the entirety of the last election cycle insisting would destroy our country as we know it.
That’s not to say I don’t hold any blame on the Republicans. But what use is expecting better from people who’ve already sold their souls to an authoritarian demagogue?
Maybe we should start excepting better from republicans instead of always giving them an “oh well, evil will do evil” pass.
Because as long as we’re busy fighting over how bad the four democrats are who voted for this disaster- the more those 216 republicans are laughing in their $6,000 Tom Ford suits while queuing up their next act of oppression.
You’re making a lot of assumptions seemingly in defence of people who “align” themselves with Democratic ideals while capitulating to and enabling an authoritarian and fascist agenda.
I never said Republicans should get a free pass. As far as I’m concerned, they’re beyond the point of redemption and should never be trusted with power again. They’ve shown that they don’t operate in good faith and won’t hesitate to sell out the integrity of their values in service to their own personal gain. I can’t expect better of them because they’re too far gone and there’s no amount of moral principal I see left within them. I can count on them to do only one thing and that is to do whatever it takes to accumulate power and control for themselves, no matter who or how many people get hurt along the way.
The Democratic party likes to present themselves as maintaining integrity and ethics in politics and they clutch their pearls when Republicans further erode our democracy and rights. But every time a Democrat is allowed to cross the aisle to enable authoritarianism without public reprimand from party leaders, it shatters that illusion for the entire party and shows there’s room in it for anti-Democratic ideals.
Again… no one is ever “beyond the point of redemption” while they are still actively hurting people. My god… this should be a non-starter! Because anyone should know- hand-waiving things away as “too far gone” just excuses them to continue their abuse.
Meanwhile, everyone holds FOUR people’s feet to the fire over what was ENTIRELY the fault of conservatives…. because you expect better from them?
Do you see what this is?
This is allowing two hundred and sixteen rapists to continue to rape because they’re rapists and that’s what rapists do, but because a few guy who never raped anyone before, decided to- they’re crucified and burned at the stake?
Shouldn’t they ALL be responsible? Blamed? Punished?
EVERYONE should be accountable for this and NO ONE should get a pass because it’s expected.
I’m not sure why you seem to think that singling out and criticizing the Democrats who betray their party’s ideals as well as the party leadership for letting them diminish the party’s integrity means I can’t also hold members of the Republican party accountable for their actions. Acknowledging that the Republican agenda is to accumulate political power by eroding your rights is not the same as giving them the liberty to do so.
Maybe it has to do with your comment singling out only the democrats that voted for this with zero mention of those that carried more of the water and created the damn thing to begin with?
How is your party better than the other if you don’t hold it to a higher standard?
I do. And that’s why only four of them voted in favor as opposed to 216.
I don’t blame the four, I blame the 216 as anyone in their right mind would. So…. Why aren’t you?
I don’t blame the four, I blame the 216 as anyone in their right mind would.
Why aren’t you blaming everyone who voted for the bill? Why are you excluding the 4 dems from blame?
That seems like bs partisan hackery
I don’t squarely blame the four. I didn’t think it needed to be said but I guess this is lemmy, and apparently it needs to be explained.
If 216 people do a thing, and then 4 more people do a thing. It’s safe to say the fault of the result of the thing is squarely on the 216 people.
Especially when they were the ones to create the thing to begin with.
I don’t think I can simplify this further.
Please simplify it more for me you are clearly so much smarter than all the rest of us. How lost we would be without you defending the Democratic party so valiantly.
More simplified? Okay.
A thing was made that hurt people.
216 grown-ups in one group are in favor of it and want it to exist. Among those 216 grown-ups are the people that made it the thing that hurt people.
4 grown-ups of another group are also in favor of it.
That you are mad at the 4 grown-ups and not even bothering to mention the 216 grown-ups that created/are in favor of it, shows that you have fallen for the distraction they would want you to pay attention to.
If it helps, you can picture being on a playground and there are 216 bullies attacking all the girls.
Now imagine four kids that aren’t usually seen as bullies join in.
What you’re doing is being angry at the four kids that aren’t usually bullies and blaming them for the hurt the girls had to endure while excusing the 216 kids for their behavior.
Stop doing this.
How can I explain this to you? If those few “Democrats” hadn’t voted for it, it wouldn’t have passed.
The SAVE Act passed 220–208, with Democrats Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case voting in support of a bill that could disenfranchise millions of voters.
People don’t expect anything different from the Republicans, but for some reason folks have higher expectations of the Democrats, despite decades of soul crushing disappointment.
How can I explain this to you?
…And if any of the 216 conservatives hadn’t, it would have passed either. Or what about-
If it hadn’t been drafted at all, it would lot have passed.
As long as you’re blaming the fire, you’ll never see who lit the match. But I suppose that first matter anymore, so…. Go on. Have fun lynching the few while the many continue doing whatever the fuck they want.
